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Do you trust Tim?
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TheOperator
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Jordan wrote:
Given that it's been confirmed that time in game isn't syncrous with the dates of the entries being uploaded out of game


This again, already? When exactly was this confirmed? Characters cite events as having happened a year or more ago multiple times.

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Sha Noran
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IG time is real time according to everything I've ever seen about it.

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Geneaux486
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TheOperator wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Given that it's been confirmed that time in game isn't syncrous with the dates of the entries being uploaded out of game


This again, already? When exactly was this confirmed? Characters cite events as having happened a year or more ago multiple times.


Yeah, everything we've seen indicates that in-game and out-of-game time are synchronized.

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Jordan
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Geneaux486 wrote:
TheOperator wrote:
Jordan wrote:
Given that it's been confirmed that time in game isn't syncrous with the dates of the entries being uploaded out of game


This again, already? When exactly was this confirmed? Characters cite events as having happened a year or more ago multiple times.


Yeah, everything we've seen indicates that in-game and out-of-game time are synchronized.


Oh, sorry everyone Sad

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Lithp
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My responses are in bold, since I was too lazy to break up the quote:

Jordan wrote:
When I was watching season one, my head canon was always that Jay tried showing the footage to the police and they waved it off as a hoax or as a prank.

This is one of the things I thought of.

And what can Jay and Tim do now? They both have documented cases of serious mental illness and if they show the footage, they are going to incrimanite themselves and be accuesed of documenting a murder! They really can't get the police involved.

I don't think that would be an issue. All of their documentation is second-hand, & the mental illnesses would be considered a mitigating factor. Plus, the cops would likely want to strike a plea bargain to catch the main suspect, Alex.

However, it's possible we might see the police involved in the future. If Bruce was just a traveler with no connections to the area, it's understandable his disapperance would go unreported.

Jay heavily implied that Bruce was just erased somehow. He was adamant about shooting down every simple, logical explanation for why no one was reporting him as missing.

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Lithp wrote:
Jay heavily implied that Bruce was just erased somehow. He was adamant about shooting down every simple, logical explanation for why no one was reporting him as missing.

And I really hope they have this plot point pay off somehow, because that seemed like such a cool ability for TO to have.

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Luno
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@TheJoker

I'm wondering if that plot point has already happened with the other "gone" characters? Maybe Seth, Sarah and Amy* have been erased from all existence and human memory, hence the lack of fanfare about their disappearances (if a bunch of young people from the same area or college all disappeared completely, you'd expect a mention of it in the news or wherever, but Jay's never alluded to anything like that).

*possibly also Brian and Jessica, but I have my own theories on those two.

Maybe TO is able to erase people from corporeal existence, and people's memories, but not from camera footage? It could be that Jay only even knows about the existence of Sarah and Seth from the footage he's seen (in much the same way as he knows about Bruce from Alex's tape). He would need to confirm this one way or another for us to know for sure, of course, but I always got the impression he wasn't that involved with the original cast members of MH. It's possible he never even met Sarah, for example.

Of course, we already know that he only knows about Amy from the footage Alex sent him, and what Alex told him about her. Maybe no one else except Alex remembers her at all.

/Just a bit of idle speculation.

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SilentMedusa
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I've been watching all the Entries over again. I was doing this before #75 came out, so it kind of threw me off to have a new one that soon.

I hate to say this because Tim is my favorite character, but in light of the events of #75 some of his actions seem a lot more... questionable in hindsight.

Specifically, Entry #66. It didn't seem strange to me that he wanted to back there the first time around; I thought it was because he was going to be talking about a very difficult subject and actually being there would help keep him from losing his nerve and clamming up about it. And then the Hoody chase happened. If Tim has been lying about what he does and doesn't know/remember, the following points make a lot more sense:

1) Tim thought there was "something else here that we're missing". Why? His records weren't just lying around; Hoody placed them there specifically for Jay to get. But if Tim knew Hoody had a tape secreted away there...

2) They just happened to be at the filing room just in time to see and hear Hoody walk in. Coincidence? Well maybe. Or Tim positioned them there because he /knew/ Hoody would come in that way.

3) Tim sent Jay to check out what Hoody was doing in that room, and then called him back to help as he (Hoody) was taking off into the woods. Why send Jay away at all if Tim needed his help? Whatever Hoody might've put there would've still been there later, unless it was a live animal (and if it /was/ a live animal, what are the odds it was one they would've wanted to find?).

4) Kind of related; why would Hoody hide a tape in there in the first place, after Jay said straight up that he was never going back there again? Unless he knew a certain someone would lead Jay back there whether he wanted to go or not, so all Hoody had to do was make sure someone saw him do something in that particular spot and got curious about it.

5) Why didn't Tim tackle Hoody when they had him cornered in that room? I'll admit I can be pretty slow about these things, so that question didn't occur to me until the folks here pointed it out. But here's a possible answer: Tim knew what was up the whole time. He didn't attack because the point of their little outing wasn't to learn Hoody's identity and interrogate him, it was to fess up about his past, and make sure Jay found that tape.

Of course, all the above assumes Tim was lying in Entry #64 when he said that he doesn't remember what he does as the Masked Man. A couple Entries from know we may find out that I just have an old-fashioned case of Unfiction paranoia Very Happy. But I guess that just shows that Trosephim are doing their jobs right.

And for the record, I was skeeved out by the pill thing too. My first thought was that if Tim was worried enough to force pills down Jay's throat while he couldn't resist or even object, he should've been worried enough to take him to an emergency room. And the way he phrased it, "That's why I've been sharing my pills with you". Sharing. Really, Tim? That actually makes me shudder a little.

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Sinkes
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I still trust Tim. I feel he's doing what he thinks he should do, and that his motives (if not his methods) are pure.
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Geneaux486
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Sinkes wrote:
I still trust Tim. I feel he's doing what he thinks he should do, and that his motives (if not his methods) are pure.


His motives are less than pure, but he's not doing anything to Jay that Jay hasn't done to him.

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Lithp
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Sinkes wrote:
I still trust Tim. I feel he's doing what he thinks he should do, and that his motives (if not his methods) are pure.


His motives are less than pure, but he's not doing anything to Jay that Jay hasn't done to him.


Jay drugged him?

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Speculation


Thought about that, but I find it odd that The Operator can erase people from records EXCEPT for tapes. And...no one has any home movies, or anything?

Is it possibly that The Operator just performs a basic mind wipe, & someone, such as Hoody or Alex, might be covering the disappearances himself?

I'm using a similar idea in an RP, but the inconsistency of the time erasure plot device always bugged me, so I came up with a handwave for it. It's not about Slenderman, but it's easier to explain if I just replace all references to the antagonist with Slenderman. Basically, [Slenderman] can erase anyone from existence--this includes memory, photos, medical records, the whole thing. However, it takes more energy to erase something that's had prolonged exposure to it, like the memories of a person being stalked by it. As an incomprehensible force of terror, it often does not want to exert this kind of effort, & in any case, it's kind of convenient, as it torments the survivors before it finally gets around to erasing them. Even so, in order to not have to erase the existence of every jackass with a flashlight who notices something amiss, [Slenderman] has servants to cover the evidence that it doesn't feel like erasing. They do this because they're dicks, & also to keep [Slenderman] from killing them.

So what's the point of that whole speech? Maybe The Operator can't or won't erase the tapes for a similar reason. They're already known to produce distortion.

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LJonesy
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I do trust Tim, I was watching Entry #72 just then and I noticed something really weird. I don't know if you guys have picked up on this already, but i'm going to leave a still here. (EDIT: I ran a search and no results)

At 12:13 a figure of an "angel" appears around Tim. It lasts until around 12:17.

I know this isn't quite what people may have been looking for in terms of evidence, but who knows, maybe TO has revealed something to us that we might not see otherwise?

I didn't quite highlight it properly, but if you watch 12:13-12:17 yourself you'll see the angel figure appear around him, it takes a moment to adjust over his position.

So I guess it's relevant to ask, is this Tim being an angel, protecting Jay, or is this someone or something coming to protect Tim? I'm not sure that there's been reference to anything else supernatural in the entirety of MH, so I'm leaning toward the idea that this is symbolising Tim as the guardian angel, looking out for Jay.
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Sha Noran
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Absurd/ridiculous.

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Hazman
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Could just as easily be the batman symbol
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LJonesy
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Hazman wrote:
Could just as easily be the batman symbol


I suppose without a gif you guys won't be bothered looking it up yourself.

There is a clear difference in the static, the only "darker" area being the angel highlight and a strip up the top.

Have a good look at it. Even if it's just a coincidence, it's definitely there.

EDIT: I'm working on a gif, give me a little bit of time and i'll show you.

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