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paladin181
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There are a few possibilities to me. Maybe Jessica was a plant. Maybe Alex and Tim were working together. Or maybe it does show J doing domething bad. Like killing Jessica or kidnapping Amy. Or possibly even being TTA. We don't know who Hoody is, but we can be fairly certain it's not J, Tim or Alex (unless there is some weird shit gong on- I mean really weird and previously unhinted at things). So maybe a few qurstions will be answered at once. The series has suddenly shifted from meandering to focused and with the right tapes could be done in 1 or 2 entries.

I hope it really is worth it this time, guys. MH has gotten my hopes up for something good with no payoff too many times.

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I think it's interesting that Jay acted much like Alex did in Entry #71. He seemed have an overwhelming and irrational need to get that tape, which is exactly what Alex did when he saw Jay leave with the tapes. A nice and disturbing parallel between the two characters.

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Strange entry. Very good, but strange. They were doing a shitty job of sneaking into the house.... If I was Alex, I would have left the attic open and then waited in the room at the base of the stairs. I dunno, I thought it was weird they didn't explore all the rooms more carefully.

Also, Amy might still be relevant? That's sort of a surprise to me. Alex might turn out to be more of a victim than we speculated if he's still got enough human side in him to carry a picture of his lost lover. I don't know what to make of the address... How could Hoody possibly have captured Alex and moved him somewhere? He's on foot where ever he goes I thought, so even if he got Alex to submit, say, at gun point, he wouldn't be able to march him down the street like a prisoner. Why would Alex set a trap elsewhere? He HAD a trap set up already.

Frankly I think we're all totally missing some huge plot point, and the reveal is going to blow our minds.

So, what's on the tape? For a second let's assume time travel isn't the answer.

-The continuation of Entry 12
-where Jay went when he ported through his bedroom door in season 1
-Jay kills Jessica
-Tim kills Jessica
-Jay kills Sarah
-Operator rape time at the hospital
-Tim and Brian scheming to do something awful to Alex (haha, I said "something awful")
-Jay is TTA but not Hoody

A shit load of time loops where Jay is Hoody would be impressive storytelling if they managed to elegantly explain or show it, but I just doubt that. Why would future Jay time travel back just to fuck himself over? Not gonna be it.

Maybe its footage from when Alex filmed himself all the time, when The Operator was full on creeper mode in his house. A tape where the entire Marble Hornets crew show up in his home super creepily as proxies. Something establishing why Alex tried to kill them, or something that sets him up as a victim.

Most likely, its Jay doing something really fucked up. If not Jay, then Tim... But they've spent like all of season 3 making Tim seem legit, so it seems like a repeat of season 2 if he turns out to be evil. I think Jay will be doing something terrible in the footage, especially since this entry helped establish the truly massive scope of his memory loss. He straight up said that he doesn't really remember what he was doing before this, and seemed to barely remember his apartment being burned down, which to a typical person would be a HUGE and impactful event.

I think it will be one of those scenarios where all the characters are victims, but they are also all guilty of committing crimes against each other. Oppy shows up, all nearby humans black out, causing panic. Chaos ensues. The good guy/bad guy lines are way too blurry for it to be a clear cut solution.

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Well, I was more then satisified with this entry - even though: I can't quite remember when the last entry came out (I lead a busy life, sadly) and I'm hardly an expert on these things, but surely it would take a lot longer for Jay to be evaluated for his medication? I can't imagine any doctor putting him on medication so quickly. I'm not being nitpicky or anything, but given that Marble Hornets is a 'found footage' series, it just didn't come off as being very realistic to me. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Smile

Tim: I'm still very mistrustful of Tim. I did feel for the guy however here: he just doesn't have many social skills (although, he was more together and more sociable in the filming footage) and his whole treatment of Jay here was so blantantly obvious. I felt for Tim a great deal here, he just doesn't have any real social skills and seems to have lost the ones he had back during the filming of Marble Hornets and if he isn't the evil mastermind of the series, it's clear that he was deriving a lot of self-satisifcation from someone finally having to depend on him for once (and having someone similar to him). I'm sure there's a lot of self-loathing over there on Tim's behalf as well about this, but he just doesn't have the social skills to hide it and it's no wonder Jay reacted the way he did, Slendy induced paranoia aside.

Just another bit of spec: I've often wondered if Brian had similar problems to Tim and that's why they became friends, but Brian had more developed social skills to hide it. Perhaps, they met in a support group? Brian did seem a little bit aggressive back in entry #7 which may not have just been the result of freaking out Alex - perhaps he had anger management problems? I'm not saying Brian couldn't have just been an awesome guy who made friends with Tim, but it's a possibility (and during one of the filming entries just gave Tim a look as if to say: "I can't believe you dragged me into this")

As for Conversion, it's possible that Hoody disagreed with Tim and decided Jay needed to be in the know about things before his condition detoriated further, (perhaps the tape has knowledge to avoid developing another personality like Tim/Masky which will be cruelly snatched away in a few entries time?) and believes that said information will lead Jay to be more honest about something he hasn't diviulged to Tim or the viewers, leading team Tay on the right path and being stronger then ever.

I'm also expecting the inevitable Masky attacks Jay scene to come soon (perhaps brought on by stress or another Operator encounter or his medication begins to stop working)

Other thoughts:

- My precious Jay! He's losing and can only barely remember what happened to him before he started watching the tapes. THIS IS NOT GOOD.
- More character development for Jay: he never really had that many friends to begin with. Adds an extra layer to his questioning of Tim and Jessica back in season one and two.
- Troseph's not too subtle nod to Introduction and entry #5s is noted, guys. We get it: your teasing out Jessica's fate and that the series is coming full circle: you live off our pain.
- Entry #15 homage is terrifying. NOT MY PRECIOUS JAY. PLEASE, NO. NOT MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER. HE IS SO PRETTY. PLEASE, NO. PLEASE. PLEASE. Oh my god, no.


As for the whole filler thing...Marble Hornets is a horror/suspense and part of that is teasing out information in order to thrill the audience. Having the guys enter a house where a potential gun-wielding lunatic or a crazy Hoody man who might not have his neurons connecting anywhere near noth is part of the thrill. I, personally, wouldn't label it filler in the slightest, but that's just my opinion.

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Sha Noran wrote:



A shit load of time loops where Jay is Hoody would be impressive storytelling if they managed to elegantly explain or show it, but I just doubt that. Why would future Jay time travel back just to fuck himself over? Not gonna be it.


I've never really understood the whole time traveling idea, thing, to be honest.Yes, we've got The Operator encounters resulting in serious time shifts, but my guess is there just go with The Operator's creepy powers and won't add anything else to the series other then atmosphere. Not to be rude or anything, just stating my opinion.

As for Jay being Hoody and not knowing it and having some else fill-in the role on camera that one time we saw them together could be done, if done well. It's too common a trick in stories like this, but if done right, it could be fantastic.

As for Jay doing something horrific...MY HEART.

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1. I'm kinda weirded out that Jay decided to upload this.

2. Is it me or did Tim gain weight?

3. I'm sure fangirls had a happy moment when Jay tackled Tim. "Jay, what are you doing?"


Well, it would have been one way to get the tape off Tim... Wink

(Tim catches up with JAY, who is sitting on his lonesome at the cafe)

TIM: I have a neurological disorder which affects my ability to work and socialise normally, some unwanted supernatural shit and oh yeah, I'm gay, so that adds a lovely extra layer to that and some douchebag just stole my virginity.
JAY: I had to get answers. (Beat) To all sorts of things.
TIM: Well, my soul and my body just got burned looking for my ANSWERS.

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Jordan wrote:
Well, I was more then satisified with this entry - even though: I can't quite remember when the last entry came out (I lead a busy life, sadly) and I'm hardly an expert on these things, but surely it would take a lot longer for Jay to be evaluated for his medication? I can't imagine any doctor putting him on medication so quickly. I'm not being nitpicky or anything, but given that Marble Hornets is a 'found footage' series, it just didn't come off as being very realistic to me. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong Smile

Tim: I'm still very mistrustful of Tim. I did feel for the guy however here: he just doesn't have many social skills (although, he was more together and more sociable in the filming footage) and his whole treatment of Jay here was so blantantly obvious. I felt for Tim a great deal here, he just doesn't have any real social skills and seems to have lost the ones he had back during the filming of Marble Hornets and if he isn't the evil mastermind of the series, it's clear that he was deriving a lot of self-satisifcation from someone finally having to depend on him for once (and having someone similar to him). I'm sure there's a lot of self-loathing over there on Tim's behalf as well about this, but he just doesn't have the social skills to hide it and it's no wonder Jay reacted the way he did, Slendy induced paranoia aside.

Just another bit of spec: I've often wondered if Brian had similar problems to Tim and that's why they became friends, but Brian had more developed social skills to hide it. Perhaps, they met in a support group? Brian did seem a little bit aggressive back in entry #7 which may not have just been the result of freaking out Alex - perhaps he had anger management problems? I'm not saying Brian couldn't have just been an awesome guy who made friends with Tim, but it's a possibility (and during one of the filming entries just gave Tim a look as if to say: "I can't believe you dragged me into this")

As for Conversion, it's possible that Hoody disagreed with Tim and decided Jay needed to be in the know about things before his condition detoriated further, (perhaps the tape has knowledge to avoid developing another personality like Tim/Masky which will be cruelly snatched away in a few entries time?) and believes that said information will lead Jay to be more honest about something he hasn't diviulged to Tim or the viewers, leading team Tay on the right path and being stronger then ever.

I'm also expecting the inevitable Masky attacks Jay scene to come soon (perhaps brought on by stress or another Operator encounter or his medication begins to stop working)

Other thoughts:

- My precious Jay! He's losing and can only barely remember what happened to him before he started watching the tapes. THIS IS NOT GOOD.
- More character development for Jay: he never really had that many friends to begin with. Adds an extra layer to his questioning of Tim and Jessica back in season one and two.
- Troseph's not too subtle nod to Introduction and entry #5s is noted, guys. We get it: your teasing out Jessica's fate and that the series is coming full circle: you live off our pain.
- Entry #15 homage is terrifying. NOT MY PRECIOUS JAY. PLEASE, NO. NOT MY FAVOURITE CHARACTER. HE IS SO PRETTY. PLEASE, NO. PLEASE. PLEASE. Oh my god, no.


As for the whole filler thing...Marble Hornets is a horror/suspense and part of that is teasing out information in order to thrill the audience. Having the guys enter a house where a potential gun-wielding lunatic or a crazy Hoody man who might not have his neurons connecting anywhere near noth is part of the thrill. I, personally, wouldn't label it filler in the slightest, but that's just my opinion.

Except for the obviously preposterous "Jay is Hoody" theory , a lot of those are pretty nice theories.

About the whole "Jessica dies" theory:
Yes, it would ruin everything that Tim and Jay have been working towards (trying to rescue said damsel), but I think it might be a little too obvious.
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Okay. I finally got a good chunk of my ideas out. It's a lot to read, so I just put it in a post on my blog: http://ladypakenhamneedsahobby.blogspot.com/2013/08/entry-75-major-spoilers.html

tl;dr: IG reasons why #76 might not be out for a while, or might not be what we think it is:

1) Jay sees the tape and either loses his mind over it or realizes that there's some kind of course of action he needs to take immediately. The tape isn't uploaded until he gets his wits back/takes the appropriate actions. This is very possible.

2) Jay decides that the tape should never be seen by anyone else and decides never to upload it. But I highly doubt this would happen, considering the anticipation.

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I think most of us can agree that whatever's on the tape will blow all of our theories out of the water.

Also, something that wasn't brought up earlier: Entry #73 proved that Hoody is not in possession of a vehicle. The thought of him dragging a bound up and gagged Alex out of Tim's house and through a neighborhood is hilarious.

Alex, on the other hand, has a car.
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Posting this prior to reading all 14 pages....


The handwriting on the photo matches the 'HE is a Liar' writing on the wall, folder, etc.

It's obviously Hoody's writing.
Hoody wrote on a photo of AMY 'I have him'

If Hoody is Amy....HELL-MUTHAFUCKIN-YES. THATS A PLOT TWIST.

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Intresting entry.

I don't think that neither Tim nor Jay are untrustworthy. I believe they both have the best intention for each other. However, keeping that tape a secret was a huge mistake on Tim. Jay has already had to deal with Alex breaking his trust on several occasions and considering Tim's masky past, any sign of disloyalty is something Jay should take seriously.

The reason to why I think Tim can still be trusted is that after Jay saw the tape, Tim didn't try to fight him. He accepted that the secret was out and that he wouldn't try to force anything from Jay.

Hopefully Jay will understand that after watching the tape and contact Tim. Because they need each other and I don't think neither of them can take on Alex or the OP by themselves.

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Craig Digsby wrote:


Also, something that wasn't brought up earlier: Entry #73 proved that Hoody is not in possession of a vehicle. The thought of him dragging a bound up and gagged Alex out of Tim's house and through a neighborhood is hilarious.

Alex, on the other hand, has a car.


True, but that isn't to say that Hoody can't drive at all, or use some other form of transport (I hate to bring up teleportation as I really don't think Hoody can, but that's not to say that I won't be proven wrong). He could have stolen Alex's car and driven that to where ever. I dnno, I don't think we should rule out Hoody having Alex because we've not seen Hoody in possession of a vehicle. I'm not leaning one way or the other on this, either having captured the other is a definite possibility.



MariahTedder wrote:

If Hoody is Amy....HELL-MUTHAFUCKIN-YES. THATS A PLOT TWIST.


It's certainly a plot twist, just one that I REALLY hope doesn't happen.

monstertugg wrote:
Intresting entry.

I don't think that neither Tim nor Jay are untrustworthy. I believe they both have the best intention for each other. However, keeping that tape a secret was a huge mistake on Tim. Jay has already had to deal with Alex breaking his trust on several occasions and considering Tim's masky past, any sign of disloyalty is something Jay should take seriously.

The reason to why I think Tim can still be trusted is that after Jay saw the tape, Tim didn't try to fight him. He accepted that the secret was out and that he wouldn't try to force anything from Jay.

Hopefully Jay will understand that after watching the tape and contact Tim. Because they need each other and I don't think neither of them can take on Alex or the OP by themselves.


Also, this. I got the impression that Tim didn't want to fight Jay, and was trying to protect him, whether that meant being dishonest or not. I think that if Tim had really wanted to take the tape back, and was willing to fight for it, he could have done so quite easily. There is the argument of Jay having bested Tim in the past, but from what I remember, that was only due to Masky succumbing to slender sickness, which Jay is also displaying quite nicely, while Tim remains fully in control of himself (as far as we know).

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I've been wondering a lot when Tim watched the tape. My first instinct was that he watched it before giving Jay all the initial 2006 footage, but kept it for himself due to not wanting Jay to see it, similar to what Alex did with some of the tapes. But that would mean Tim actually watched all the footage, despite telling Jay he hadn't seen any of it. When Jay met him again he told Tim nothing important was on the tapes and Tim seemed to believe him. It would have to be some really complex gambit on Tim's part. I don't buy that though.

What's appealing about that theory is that Hoody's been calling Tim a liar for a while now. In Entry #60 the graffiti presumed to be by him says "He is a liar" and it leads Jay to a folder of Tim's medical papers labeled "Liar". If Tim's been hiding this from Jay that long it would make sense for Hoody to insinuate these things. But I don't think Tim had seen the tape all the way back then, if it is from the 2006 footage. It just doesn't add up without a bunch of extra variables we don't know about.

I have two theories. Theory one is that it's unrelated to the behind-the-scenes footage Tim shot for Alex. For instance, if its footage of something with Jessica's disappearance, he wouldn't mention it to Jay before he knew what Jay was up to, because he'd have no reason to think Jay would care or it was his business. This might make him a liar as of Entry #60, since in #59 (The one where Tim punches Jay in the face), Jay says he thinks Alex is responsible for her disappearance, and Tim says something like how do you know he's responsible, maybe you're responsible! Even if Jay is responsible somehow, he's still not telling Jay, it'd at least be a lie by omission.

Theory two is that he reviewed the 2006 footage shortly after it happened to him, or even long after, or even remembered it all at the time, and he hid the tape separate from the others because it was incriminating. And then he forgot what happened in the footage and that he watched it, and he didn't find the tape he hid separately until after he searched "Marble Hornets" online. Or maybe he only remembered that tape and what happened on it, so he knew where it was but didn't want Jay to see it, before or after searching "Marble Hornets".

I think it really comes down to how much you think Tim is deceiving Jay. Has everything just been a big ploy by Tim to fuck Jay over, or is just a minor lie, about a tape Tim just found pretty recently, and it really is just for Jay's own good, to save his currently very tenuous sanity? Or more likely, is it somewhere in-between, and if so, where in between. I think that's a big part of figuring out what might be on it.
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MariahTedder wrote:
Posting this prior to reading all 14 pages....


The handwriting on the photo matches the 'HE is a Liar' writing on the wall, folder, etc.

It's obviously Hoody's writing.
Hoody wrote on a photo of AMY 'I have him'

If Hoody is Amy....HELL-MUTHAFUCKIN-YES. THATS A PLOT TWIST.
I don't think Hoodie is Amy. I think Hoody left behind Alex's prized possession to let the guys know that Alex didn't leave it himself. Hoodyt wouldn't go through all the trouble of obscuring his (her) face just to reveal it like that. That's not exactly plausible. I'll believe it's Jessica before i believe Amy for that reason.

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Craig Digsby wrote:
SonicN2O wrote:
Anyway, 'member the season 2 finale, particularly the line from Alex, "it's over there, I don't want to see it again" he could've been talking about this tape.


I'm not so sure. Alex was just luring them into a corner so that he could finish them off easily.

Lithp wrote:
Does Jay search in those boxes because he just thinks that Tim missed something & only later puts together that Tim is deliberately hiding the tape, or did he just do it to make Tim think he wasn't on to him the whole time?


I think Jay searches the box to make sure Tim didn't miss anything (the tape), then later sees the tape hidden in Tim's pocket.

On a semi-related note, this the sixth time Tim and Jay have physically fought. Just something I found interesting.
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I don't know... I feel like Alex was EXTREMELY unstable and at the tipping point, and then when Jay was hesitant to go the the other side of the barn, Alex snapped out of annoyance or anger and pulled the gun out. Remember, he was very irrational, so the tiniest thing set him off. Then Masky shows up to save the day and when Jay and Jessica leave, Masky subdues Alex and takes the tape for safekeeping. The more I think about this, the more it makes sense.

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