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What are the reasons for unsuccessful Slender Man series?
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graywings
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Personally, what turns me off of a series are twofold- quality and 'other'. If a series sucks, it sucks, and although I'm willing to plow through a marathon session to get to the good bits- there has to be good bits to get to. Take TribeTwelve- it takes a while to get good, but once it gets there, I'm hooked and the next thing I know it's three in the morning and I just marathoned the entire thing, again.

That said, there's this nebulous 'other' category that just- there needs to be something that gives me interest in keeping up to date with it. Something that will make me watch the next video, keep up with the twitter, check the forums. A lot of the shows I've tried just didn't captivate my attention. It was all of the same old things I've seen countless other times. 'Oh noes, someone's following me! I shall spend the next thirty minutes of your time showing you my feet as I run from sirens that will kill anyone watching this with their headphones in!'

Something I would love in a series is, well, something new. A new take on slenderman, a new take on his targets, something, anything other than vaguely college aged white boys running around in the woods. A new location, a new protagonist, a new age group- something. I would love to watch the tale of a beat cop tracking down a child kidnapper, or a miniseries about one of the kids Slenderman supposedly takes, or even just a vaguely college aged chick running around in the woods.

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Magic-Josh
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If I were to give Slender Man a weakness, it would be his own proxies. Ones that had broken free of mind control and can now use his own power against him and invade his dimension. I think that'd be a cool idea.

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The Condor
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zbeeblebrox
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MC_Loki wrote:
Every Slenderman series always features some sort of distortion on film, implying it interferes with electrical equipment, which implies it is either an energy-based life form or it generates some sort of EM field (also, if you're a Surge-ist, there's the whole connection with fire). Figure out a way to trick it into walking into a trap where you flood it out.


Suspect tactical decisions aside, I think that detail is important to point out, story logic-wise. I get the impression that many series include video distortion without really thinking about why SM causes distortion and what that means for the protagonists. So often, you see an ongoing series where viewers speculate that SM is made stronger/made vulnerable in the presence of a camera. Yet we haven't seen a single series that really investigates that concept. In the rare occasion that it's even implied, it's often dropped or goes nowhere. As if the creators only thought of it after the fact, and can't decide how to rationalize this inconvenience away.

There's a serious fear of explanation in many series (cough marblehornets cough) driven by the belief that the whole concept rests on a foundation of The Unknown which, if explained even slightly, would bring the whole thing crashing down. So instead we get clues that lead to clues that lead to clues. Puzzles that, when solved, give us a slogan or symbol that's no more substantive than window dressing.

Compare to The Ring. Either version. Over the course of the film, we slowly gain an intimate knowledge of Samara's past, her personality, and the events leading to her death. We actually get tons of details. Right up until the turning point, we're learning useful information. We think we have a solution. Does this stop Samara from being an unknowable supernatural horror? Absolutely not, as the ending proves. So what's the takeaway?

Give your audience something. Let them know things! Or at least let them think they know things. You don't have to open some Necronomicon-alike and say "okay it's a demon that does such-and-such" like the Paranormal Activity sequel copped out with. But at the heart of a good horror story is a mystery, and a mystery can't go anywhere if all the clues are constantly red herrings.

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thisistheend
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I love reading this thread and thinking, "Hey, I am doing this kind of stuff right now dammit."


zbeeblebrox wrote:
MC_Loki wrote:
Every Slenderman series always features some sort of distortion on film, implying it interferes with electrical equipment, which implies it is either an energy-based life form or it generates some sort of EM field (also, if you're a Surge-ist, there's the whole connection with fire). Figure out a way to trick it into walking into a trap where you flood it out.


Suspect tactical decisions aside, I think that detail is important to point out, story logic-wise. I get the impression that many series include video distortion without really thinking about why SM causes distortion and what that means for the protagonists. So often, you see an ongoing series where viewers speculate that SM is made stronger/made vulnerable in the presence of a camera. Yet we haven't seen a single series that really investigates that concept. In the rare occasion that it's even implied, it's often dropped or goes nowhere. As if the creators only thought of it after the fact, and can't decide how to rationalize this inconvenience away.


Well, to be quite truthful, the distortion started by the MH guys was meant to hide things. And when I mean things, I mean how shitty and unrealistic The Operator looked in Season 1.

I think a lot of series have forgotten this was what the distortion was meant to do.

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Magic-Josh
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thisistheend wrote:
I love reading this thread and thinking, "Hey, I am doing this kind of stuff right now dammit."


zbeeblebrox wrote:
MC_Loki wrote:
Every Slenderman series always features some sort of distortion on film, implying it interferes with electrical equipment, which implies it is either an energy-based life form or it generates some sort of EM field (also, if you're a Surge-ist, there's the whole connection with fire). Figure out a way to trick it into walking into a trap where you flood it out.


Suspect tactical decisions aside, I think that detail is important to point out, story logic-wise. I get the impression that many series include video distortion without really thinking about why SM causes distortion and what that means for the protagonists. So often, you see an ongoing series where viewers speculate that SM is made stronger/made vulnerable in the presence of a camera. Yet we haven't seen a single series that really investigates that concept. In the rare occasion that it's even implied, it's often dropped or goes nowhere. As if the creators only thought of it after the fact, and can't decide how to rationalize this inconvenience away.


Well, to be quite truthful, the distortion started by the MH guys was meant to hide things. And when I mean things, I mean how shitty and unrealistic The Operator looked in Season 1.

I think a lot of series have forgotten this was what the distortion was meant to do.


It was also scary as fuck. I've seen some great distortion over the years, but Marble Hornets always seems to be ahead of the curve - the latest entry being one of the most notable examples. That shot with him turning to face the camera *shudders*

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knifebladepresents
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To tell you the truth, I'm not scared so easily. So when a slenderman series aims for scares but not any good story, it just doesn't affect me.

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Peppercorn
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What most bad series forget about distortion is why it's even there in-universe: the Slender Man causes it because he's something alien. It honestly does work when thought is put into its usage, but a lot of people half-ass it and just end up making an eyesore instead of making a point. The same goes for Slendersickness.

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PostIt
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Right. As peppercorn said, everything needs to be driven by purpose. Look at, say, Silence of the Lambs. It's a great movie, but more than that, everything everything has a purpose. Every shot, every line, every set piece is there for a reason, which is what makes it so damn good. The same goes for a Slender Series. Distortion can't just be a 'boo slenderman' deal.

You have to consider the 'why's'. Why is there distortion? What purpose does it serve in this scene in particular? What does it tell the audience? What does it mean? I like the series that use distortion as a sort of voice for the slender man. Which is not to say he should be talking, but when the distortion is there to say something about why the slender man is there, and what "mood" he is in, (as much as he can have "moods"). Same goes for the slender sickness and operator symbols. I don't mind them, so long as they have a reason to be there.

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zbeeblebrox
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Exactly, PostIt. Distortion is, at its most basic, the Jaws Theme of a Slenderman series. Ignoring the in-universe (lack of) logic for a second, distortion should at least seek to achieve that: becoming a narrative flag that causes the viewer to dread whatever's about to happen next.

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Matoyak
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PostIt wrote:
<snip>Same goes for the slender sickness and operator symbols. I don't mind them, so long as they have a reason to be there.
I suspect a lot of the things that have cropped up in various Slender vlogs are there due to limitations in the abilities, tech, acting, or just how real life works...and this is a good thing. It makes the creators have to stretch to explain stuff, or it makes the audience do that for them. Take the Operator symbol, for instance. That circle with an X through it? A very common sign in filming crews to indicate filming locations. Consider the original concept of Marble Hornets: Shit got real on/around this movie, and particularly around places the movie was filmed...places that have a circle-X symbol. Not a stretch to realize what the symbol was originally, and yet the symbol grew to be one of the most recognizable aspects of the Mythos. They quickly realized that the symbol was interesting in and of itself, and could be used to add to the mystique. The distortion and use of shaky-cam: originally intended to disguise acting and special effects problems in the vids, the guys realized that this could be effectively used to INCREASE the horror elements. This is shown time and time again throughout the good SlenderVlogs (and really in entertainment in general. Compare and contrast District9 with Elysium, for instance) that if you encounter difficulties in the product you're creating, if you turn them into features you can actually create something unique and interesting due to those limitations, especially if you're clever about how you go about it.

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