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[VIDEO] Entry #76
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theonewhoquestions
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TheOperator wrote:
I'm going to post this before I read through. This was an abysmal entry. If Jessica is dead. Except she obviously is. The chance of her being alive is so, so slim it doesn't even seem worth hanging on to. The ONLY way she could possibly be alive is if TO was trying to protect Jessica for some reason completely unknown to me. Yes, her one hope at life is the most horrific entity in the series. Good odds.

Now let me explain why her being dead in this entry would ruin it. Not only ruin it, make it the worst entry in the entire series. What has Jessica's role in the series up until this point been? A damsel in distress. All this time Jay's been continuing the investigation believing it's to save Jessica. But then plot twist, she died when Hoody and Masky failed to save her in yet another damsel in distress situation! What a creative and unique way to take a female character! And no, she doesn't have to be Hoody to avoid falling into this stereotype. It would have been a clever way if done right but it's not mandatory. When Jessica actually grabbed the gun from Alex and pointed it at him, that was excellent. Then she was unsure whether to shoot Hoody or Alex... more awesomeness. I've seen an idea brought up before that she'd turn up towards the end having gone through her own experiences but not weakened from them and help Jay out. I'd be perfectly fine with that. She's shown both initiative and intelligence - notice how she even thought to take the camera in case there was something important on it. This being in a dire situation. She clearly is able to be competent if the story allows her to be... but nope, damsel in distress for Jay to either save or angst over not saving.

I was also kind of excited to maybe see another side of Alex, it looked like he really wanted to help Jessica and might even have arranged a partnership with her before. Then he just ended up the same as usual, so nothing new or interesting there.

Masky is also confirmed to be working with Hoody. It's not much, since it was pretty obvious but at least it's now confirmed. Hoody also really wanted to save Jessica and was willing to risk himself to do it. He's looking less shady by the sec. A shame now that he can literally only be Brian. He better be unmasked next entry because it went from super obvious to the most obvious thing in the entire world right now. He's not Seth. Seth has 8 seconds of facetime. It's not Amy, Alex wouldn't have attacked her in #68, plus why bother asking us to suspend our disbelief about the body type if it's a female with as little screentime as Amy? It's Brian, there's no point acting like it's the mystery of the century any more (it never was) so just hurry up and unmask him. Note I don't mind it being Brian, it'll be really interesting to see Tim's reaction, I just really don't know why they treated it like such a huge mystery all this time, going as far as teasing the mask being off in 2 entries.

So yes, I really hope Jessica is alive but I kind of... passively hope. Because I know she isn't. Her only hope was TO. From what we were shown, only Alex and TO were with her up until she was left lying there. If someone else was able to come in, like Amy, they wouldn't have had such grim-looking footage, I think. Jessica almost definitely died a damsel in distress and so MH is officially a terrible example of writing female characters unless she somehow ends up being alive.

Oh yeah and "shesoutthere" is looking like a blatant lie from TTA now. That overly complicated code just gets more and more pointless.

Sorry if you do not like how whiny I sound or anything. This was just perhaps the worst possible thing they could do with the character, so I really, really did not like this entry.


I do agree the way this was played was pretty bad. Does this ruin the series as a whole though? I am very much not sure. Right at this minute, I'm maybe too feverish to do much but stress about how that made me feel, but I'm hoping when I come out of it I can see it, not as a minor thing, but not as something that pushes the series over a cliff in a caravan.

I will say that TO is not the most proactive entity in the world.

As for Jay's reactions, he may still be riding high on operatorbrain and that's probably why he's acting super paranoid and jumping to conclusions.

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 		After reading through the thread, I think one question that hasn't been asked is what are hoody's intentions behind his plan to film this whole ordeal? Was it to be part of a TTA video, a trophy for their final capture of Alex, ammunition in case Tim ever left the duo, or just the usual theme of "film everythjng"?

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Craig Digsby wrote:
FalloutGhoul wrote:
If Jessica took Alex's gun, how did Hoody get ahold of it?


Alex had a gun pointed at Jessica, but she managed to take it from him before he could pull the trigger. She escaped to the other side of the tunnel, where The Operator attacks her. Alex takes the gun back and presumably kills her. Hoody later takes the gun in Entry #67.
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 		I've seen some people bring up the combination for Jay's safe being left for him in Entry #33 and question who wrote it. People have been suggesting Hoody overheard Jessica give it to Jay in #52... pretty sure that's not possible. Watch that scene again, look around. Where would Hoody have been hiding? There was no where nearby enough to hear Jessica. He'd have had to hide in one of their cars or have conveniently placed a listening device in the right place, both of which are too ridiculous to consider.

If Jessica didn't write the note under the influence of slendersickness, the only explanation I can think of is that Hoody demanded for her to tell him the combination. Which seems hard to swallow when Jay was right next door...

theonewhoquestions wrote:
I do agree the way this was played was pretty bad. Does this ruin the series as a whole though? I am very much not sure. Right at this minute, I'm maybe too feverish to do much but stress about how that made me feel, but I'm hoping when I come out of it I can see it, not as a minor thing, but not as something that pushes the series over a cliff in a caravan.


Yeah the way I see it is that they've probably dropped the ball on doing anything interesting with Jessica now but most of the best aspects of MH still have a good chance of remaining intact until the end.

theonewhoquestions wrote:
As for Jay's reactions, he may still be riding high on operatorbrain and that's probably why he's acting super paranoid and jumping to conclusions.


Agreed. Jay's not the same dope he used to be. He caught on very quick to Tim in #75, even if he was handling it badly. His conclusion that Tim is tied to Jessica's fate is a combination of his despair at the tape's events and his sickness.

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"It's all Jay's fault. I'm sorry Jessica, it has to be done."


This must have a meaning. Also:

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I think Tim has been lying to Jay about what he knows about Jessica so he can keep him interested in finding Alex. Because up until now, Alex was the only person who knew what happened to Jessica.


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 		I don't think she's dead. She is very clearly breathing on the roadside before the pick up. We don't know if TO will drop her yet. He certainly didn't kill Jay in the hotel room, so far TO has zero confirmed kills, he's just cleaning up alex's body count.

For some reason, I think Masky was trying to get Jessica out of the hotel and safely away from Alex, and he was just too late. Alex was RIGHT THERE, gun in hand, already blaming Jay for everything going to hell. He was probably going there to kill Jay and anyone with him to cover his own ass.

And at 7:11 was Alex saying "Jay, Stop!" To anyone else, or am I just nutters?

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Gholateg wrote:
And at 7:11 was Alex saying "Jay, Stop!" To anyone else, or am I just nutters?


Sounds more like "Grargh! Argh!" to me.

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 		The amount of flashbacks i had with TTA's Conversion, Display and Surveillance are quite a lot. You can see in 3:05 the frame that appears almost at the end of conversion when it says ''REMEMBER TO LOOK BEHIND YOU''.

In display i think u can see a flash of Jessica when we get the white tunnel image.

In Surveillance i think u get a glimpse of Jessica too but i can't remmber the involvement in that.

All of the sudden many things make sense, and i hope this keeps happening from now on.

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Ristar wrote:
The amount of flashbacks i had with TTA's Conversion, Display and Surveillance are quite a lot. You can see in 3:05 the frame that appears almost at the end of conversion when it says ''REMEMBER TO LOOK BEHIND YOU''.

In display i think u can see a flash of Jessica when we get the white tunnel image.

In Surveillance i think u get a glimpse of Jessica too but i can't remmber the involvement in that.

All of the sudden many things make sense, and i hope this keeps happening from now on.


Wait. Aren't the entries recorded and edited as they go along? While I can see why conversion would have several elements of it, Display and surveillance is just wierd.

I'm probably wrong about the entries being made and edited as they go along, aren't I?

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TheOperator wrote:
Yeah the way I see it is that they've probably dropped the ball on doing anything interesting with Jessica now but most of the best aspects of MH still have a good chance of remaining intact until the end.


The bit where he sticks his gloved hand over her mouth is also creepy, but that's just because of the gloves, I think. The gloves make it look a lot more sinister.

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 		Okay so I think I have a tentative timeline of events. If anyone disagrees or if I bork something, just let me know.

First is #32, Jay and Jessica talk, she goes to pack, Jay uploads the entry and packs up himself. While they're separated, Masky does something to Jessica knocking her out and carries her out of the hotel to Hoody, leading into #76. Masky dumps Jessica in the woods with Hoody and leaves to go deal with Jay for the events of #33, which are happening simultaneously with the rest of #76 up to the point where Alex gets the gun, Jessica get slendynapped and Masky comes back, which all occurs the next morning. So we're looking at all three videos taking place from Jan 12-13, 2011, if we're assuming that Jay uploaded #32 just after it happened.

So what do y'all think?

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 		Wow, am I late to the party.

I am disappointed that they didn't do more with Jessica's character. I thought she was a bit on the weak side here. However, overall a great entry. And I suppose nothing is set in stone yet. Knowing MH, this could just be an initial "first answer" to Jessica's fate that disguises a more intense, plot-twisting discovery to come.

Either that, or Jessica's ultimate purpose in the plot was solely to incriminate Tim. Again, I'd be a little disappointed if that was all she was written for, but it's possible.

Am I the only one who feels like Masky and Hoody were trying to protect her from Alex? Could be wrong, but I got that vibe. It seems that Jay is jumping to conclusions about Tim and/or Masky (because let's not forget that Tim =/= Masky) having ill intentions.

That image of Alex that appeared after the shot of her lying on the ground...does that mean he caught up with her/shot her? I can't tell if Operator kidnapped her or just left her vulnerable for Alex to kill her later.

I'm curious as to how much Tim really remembers, and how much he just knows because he watched this tape before Jay did. I don't know if Tim and Masky are becoming more in-sync; wouldn't make any speculation on that yet. But I really don't like where this is going. Jay can't handle Alex on his own, especially not now. He needs Tim with him. I feel like this tape is going to be the catalyst for his ultimate undoing.

And finally, I wonder where Tim is right now. What's he going to do? Abandon Jay? Does he have another plan? Considering that Alex is after the both of them, Tim doesn't have that "return to a normal life" option anymore. He has to do something.

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CenturyChild wrote:
That image of Alex that appeared after the shot of her lying on the ground...does that mean he caught up with her/shot her? I can't tell if Operator kidnapped her or just left her vulnerable for Alex to kill her later.

I think Alex just went to get his gun back.
Leave her for The Operator to finish.

CenturyChild wrote:
And finally, I wonder where Tim is right now. What's he going to do? Abandon Jay? Does he have another plan? Considering that Alex is after the both of them, Tim doesn't have that "return to a normal life" option anymore. He has to do something.

I think he has to try to get in contact with Jay again (that is, if they haven't already done so).
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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
Okay so I think I have a tentative timeline of events. If anyone disagrees or if I bork something, just let me know.

First is #32, Jay and Jessica talk, she goes to pack, Jay uploads the entry and packs up himself. While they're separated, Masky does something to Jessica knocking her out and carries her out of the hotel to Hoody, leading into #76. Masky dumps Jessica in the woods with Hoody and leaves to go deal with Jay for the events of #33, which are happening simultaneously with the rest of #76 up to the point where Alex gets the gun, Jessica get slendynapped and Masky comes back, which all occurs the next morning. So we're looking at all three videos taking place from Jan 12-13, 2011, if we're assuming that Jay uploaded #32 just after it happened.

So what do y'all think?


I think you're correct—and thanks for putting this together, because this is interesting. If Jessica really dies in #76, then she's been dead for over two years. Also, Masky attacks Jay in #33. Maybe he wanted to do the same thing—knock Jay out, drag him out there. Again, makes me wonder if, since Alex was hot on their tracks and had already demonstrated a desire to kill them (remember that the events of #52 happened a short while before #33), Masky and Hoody weren't trying to get them out of the hotel in an effort to protect them.

This is why I'm not so quick to incriminate TiMasky. He saved Jay and Jessica by attacking Alex (#52), followed them and later figured out where they were staying (#33), and apparently tried to get them both out (#33 and #76 simultaneously). It just doesn't make sense that he would want to hurt them. Yes, it looks bad in the context of the footage on #76, but I think Masky and Hoody were trying to help them.

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 		 the real question
My main question is, if tim/ masky and hoody were alligned back then (as we already knew) why would hoody want to expose Tim as the liar? Why would he want Jay to know the truth but tim didn't want him to know?

It seems that tim and hoody are not allied atm, and possibly have completely different motives...I wonder what caused them to split, and what the motives are

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