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[VIDEO] Entry #76
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Omberto wrote:
Follow up, I wanna know according to Tim when the time would be right for Jay to have seen it.


I'm guessing when and if they ever caught up to Jessica, he would be like, hey Jay, I need to come clean with you, please listen to me. He didn't show it to Jay cause they were still searching for her, and knew Jay would immediately not trust him if he knew Tim remembered his actions as Masky.

I bet the next entry is going to be Jay stalking Tim. Finding out what his true motives are.
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UnQuantifiable wrote:
Omberto wrote:
Follow up, I wanna know according to Tim when the time would be right for Jay to have seen it.


I'm guessing when and if they ever caught up to Jessica, he would be like, hey Jay, I need to come clean with you, please listen to me. He didn't show it to Jay cause they were still searching for her, and knew Jay would immediately not trust him if he knew Tim remembered his actions as Masky.

I bet the next entry is going to be Jay stalking Tim. Finding out what his true motives are.


Maybe, personally I think it would have been better to reveal it either prior or never at all. After would be twisting the knife then knowing this guy you aligned yourself with knew all along.

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Omberto wrote:
I like this trail of logic and speculation, but it, along with all other theories doesn't answer the question: why did Tim hold onto the tape? I mean we all agree it's pretty damning to Tim and discouraging for Jay. Tim could have destroyed it. Jay WOULD have found out Jessica was killed/taken eventually, but why hold onto proof (if not hide way better least) that could wreck everything? Follow up, I wanna know according to Tim when the time would be right for Jay to have seen it.


Why did Alex hold on to the tapes showing him killing Bruce and leading Brian and Seth straight to TO? The only smart thing he did was try to burn the one of him attacking Jay although I'm not sure why that one was destroyed while the rest weren't.

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Here's a stupid thing that popped in my head after watching with entry. Feel free to shoot it down, it's just something that crossed my mind after watching.

Through this thread and many others there has been wide spread speculation on wither or not Tim/Masky is aware of his actions or not while in his Masky state. Also there is speculation on if Tim/Masky works together with Hoody currently or if there was a falling out with the two at some point in time.

I like to think that yes, they did work together for a time, but than Tim backed out not liking the direction they were going or something to that effect. But I do think they could be back to an uneasy truce atm.
The reason I bring this up is because after seeing this entry my mind shot back to entry 67. I remember there was such an argument on what Tim could've had in his hand at the end, 'It's the gun! No, it's his cell phone.' etc etc.
What if it was the tape itself?
I mean, when Tim came to in 67 he picks up the mask and drops it, 'damn it Hoody, leave me alone, we broke up', than takes that thing out of his pocket, and just the look on his face than. Could have been a reaction of 'what the hell is this? A tape? Why is a tape being left for me? What is on it?' or alternatively, 'Oh shit...is this what I think it is? Goddamn it, I have to make sure Jay doesn't see this or knows I have it.'
And than of course we have entry 66 where Tim comicly follows Hoody where he could've easily have tackled him. I speculate that after the events of his Masky state, waking up with the mask left for him and finding the 'tape?' in his pocket, he reluctantly joined together this Hoody again, if only briefly. 'Look Tim, I have this tape Jay needs to see, get him out to the hospital.'

Idk, I may be completely off base with this idea. Just a theory that popped in my head that I kind of liked and thought I'd share.


I do like this theory, except Hoody/TTA started saying "he is a liar" etc. a lot earlier than #67 (late 50s, I think) meaning he would have to be lying about something else, which is entirely probable.

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Either that or he remembers his masky-state (spoilered so I'm not burned at the stake)

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I can't remember if someone already mentioned this, but it looks as though Jessica was tackled from behind when she met the operator. The camera seems to move away and then turns around to face her. You can even see her face (scary as heck) looking up, as though someone else took it from her.
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I don't want to add fuel to the fire, other than agreeing that often there are some incredible frustrating theories thrown out that make it seem like people have no idea what's going on in the series. But for anyone thinking this forum is getting worse or crazier, just remember:

1) OMG GUYS THE ARK IS ALEX R. KRALIE!
2) The "Operator is a robot!" theory
3) At one point in time about 25% of Unforum thought that TTA was the Operator uploading videos to youtube, telepathically or something. I don't even remember how that was supposed to work.
4) The "Operator is an alien, and the ark is his spaceship" theory
5) Gimme 20 dollas. Just no.
6) A lot of people completely rejected the idea of time travel or teleportation throughout almost all of season one.
7) The multiple Operators theory (It was multiple Slender-Men at the time)

To make this on-topic again, I think Jessica is probably alive at the end of this. Alex has shown that he really doesn't want to hurt anyone, but either can't stop himself from doing it or thinks it necessary for some reason (evidence, his muttering in 49 telling Jay to stop following him). We don't see him do anything to Jessica, and it's possible that after seeing her unconscious he assumes her memory is wiped and she won't be a problem anymore. Most importantly, we don't see anything happen to Jessica, so the creators are obviously intending this to be ambiguous.

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But I thought it was established canon that the Operators are a group of robotic aliens travelling in the "Ark" who telepathically upload videos as ToTheArk and are after Alex R. Kralie because he's actually their spaceship in human form and they need 20 dollars to turn him back into a spaceship.

...God, that was painful to type.

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TheJoker wrote:
But I thought it was established canon that the Operators are a group of robotic aliens travelling in the "Ark" who telepathically upload videos as ToTheArk and are after Alex R. Kralie because he's actually their spaceship in human form and they need 20 dollars to turn him back into a spaceship.


Actually Alex R. Kralie is their spaceship from the future, and Hoody is Jay from the past but Jay forgot about that because he's secretly Sarah.

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Isn't it possible "she's out there" means Amy? Amy's kinda important. She was pretty important to the plot in Season 2. We saw a picture of her two entries ago. I know Jay thought it might be Jessica, but like, he kinda would wouldn't he? He was kinda desperate to find her.

Also all Jay says about it is
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Who is "she", exactly? Jessica? Does ToTheArk know where she is?


I feel like there's a chance ToTheArk means she's out there, like out there in the Slenderverse or whatever. I mean Jay's assumption isn't "She's still alive" it's "ToTheArk knows what happened to her" and it's possible Hoody saw it (After all he keeps calling Tim a liar, and it seems this is why) so Hoody knowing her fate may have been the purpose of the code, not Jessica being alive.

I'm more inclined to think it's about Amy, but there are a lot of possibilities about that code. It's not in any way shape or form definite.

Plus, Jay says she's been "Gone since he left the hotel." I know he could mean she's been missing, but Jay already knew she was missing, so that'd be redundant. I think he means dead.

And I also know it's possible Jay was wrong, but I feel like that's the same argument as ToTheArk being wrong about Jessica being out there.
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Like, why would Troy do that? Also, since that was a code most viewers didn't solve, on a side channel that has been explicitly by the creators to be un-required, this seems less of an "Explicitly statement by the writers" then this which was just plainly in an entry.


Also Alex doesn't take the gun back from Jessica. Watch the entry again. Jessica drops the gun when Hoody attacks Alex and takes the flashlight. At sometime off screen, Alex escapes Hoody obviously, and take the gun. Jessica left the gun in the tunnel. Alex does not take it back from her in that scene in the end.

So, why is he bent over and then when he bends up again he has the gun? Perhaps he put the gun down close to her when he shot her. Or perhaps he doesn't shoot her at all. But she looks dead to me at the end, and the same thing happens to her that happened to the guy Alex killed. I was under the impression Alex didn't shoot her, although that seems to cause a contradiction. Alex had her unconscious, why not shoot her then? He was going to earlier? I was under the impression the Operator killed her somehow. Alex didn't need to shoot her, but the very fact he was near her with a gun leads to believe she died somehow, at some point. If anything, the fact that he just walks away further supports this.
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I think Alex didn't shoot her right then and there was cause the operator was still near that area. He didn't really need to shoot her then. A lot of time passed since she saw the operator and when we see Alex over her with the gun (at least a few hours or so). The camera was pointing up towards Alex, so I'm guessing she was either still holding it pointing at him, or it was propped up, while she was still awake. Why would he bother to prop it up, then knock it down only to leave it with Jessica's location to be retrieved by Tim?

Jessica is still alive. Proof is in this entry. Alex had many opportunities to kill her, but fails to do so. The Operator had many Opportunities to take her before the end, he didn't do so until just before Tim walks up (I'm also thinking, was that just to taunt Tim? If so, thats extra creepy on The Operator's part). Okay, I just had a interesting thought: This whole entry, everything the Alex and Operator does in this time is totally and completely intentional. It was not only to expose Tim and Hoody working together, but to personally taunt Jay and make him distrust Tim.
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But, this video is from right after Entry #33. Jay didn't know Masky was Tim back then, let alone had he formed an alliance with him and began trusting him. Are you saying Alex predicted years in advance that Jay would re-discover Masky is Tim, meet up with him, and form an alliance with him, and he orchestrated the whole thing in advance to disrupt that?
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DHawk314 wrote:
But, this video is from right after Entry #33. Jay didn't know Masky was Tim back then, let alone had he formed an alliance with him and began trusting him. Are you saying Alex predicted years in advance that Jay would re-discover Masky is Tim, meet up with him, and form an alliance with him, and he orchestrated the whole thing in advance to disrupt that?


We still don't know when this took place. It could have came after 33, but just as well could have came during 52. There is no tell tale sign.



Also, most of you guys really need to stop basing entire theories on hypotheticals. I see it happening far too often and I find myself stopping reading halfway through a wall of text wishing I had my time back. Nobody wants to read theories based on "what if's"

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aidansean wrote:
I can't remember if someone already mentioned this, but it looks as though Jessica was tackled from behind when she met the operator. The camera seems to move away and then turns around to face her. You can even see her face (scary as heck) looking up, as though someone else took it from her.


I posted this very early on in the topic

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Dhawk314 wrote:
But, this video is from right after Entry #33. Jay didn't know Masky was Tim back then, let alone had he formed an alliance with him and began trusting him. Are you saying Alex predicted years in advance that Jay would re-discover Masky is Tim, meet up with him, and form an alliance with him, and he orchestrated the whole thing in advance to disrupt that?


Jeeze, I keep forgetting how much time has passed in this series. But yes, I think what Alex and The Operator did in Entry 76 was very intentional. No mistakes were made. Alex not only wanted to reveal Masky and Hoody team-up, but taunt Jay into thinking Jessica is alive and removing all hope of it. Alex knew Jay would find that tape eventually, was only a matter of time. Maybe as a subtle way to help Jay without anyone really realizing it? Okay, that's a bit out there lol.

Hoody wanted Jay to watch the tape, but I think it had an effect he wasn't counting on. I think Hoody's intentions were that him and Masky were trying to save Jessica, therefor it'll prove that they're on Jay's side. But it had the unfortunate effect of breaking Jay's trust in Tim. If I'm right, next entry or TTA reply will be featuring Hoody almost exclusively.

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We still don't know when this took place. It could have came after 33, but just as well could have came during 52. There is no tell tale sign.


Why would they leave Jessica in the hotel for YEARS then? That doesn't make sense. This had to have took place after Entry 33. Would like to hear theories for other times this may have taken place though.

Also, no one's forcing you to read our walls of hypotheticals.
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I think someone else brought up the entry where Jay made it to the other side of the tunnel while chasing Masky, but think about this: remember Jay just sitting on the grass, looking distraught? What if he found out what had happened to Jessica at that point, and then had his memories wiped? That would explain why Masky seemed to be trying to lead Jay to the tunnel and also why Jay was just sitting on the grass. He looked stunned and upset to me, which is probably why Tim didn't want him to watch that tape.

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