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[VIDEO] Entry #76
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gazza
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Guys, please either spoiler tag immersion-breaking discussions, or take them to the out-of-game threads.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:27 am

Ark is watching
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gazza wrote:

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Guys, please either spoiler tag immersion-breaking discussions, or take them to the out-of-game threads.

Sorry, and correct me if I'm wrong, but if talking about the OOG bits of the entries (eg. the production elements) is game breaking, maybe they shouldn't be coming to unfiction to speculate on Marble hornets, because part of the entries and fact used to prop up speculation is the creators vision, with is OOG.

I#m sorry if it comes across as curt, but I don't feel you're really immersed if its so fragile that one mention of the cinematography rustles you right out of the story.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 12:43 am

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Craig Digsby wrote:

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The thing is, Trosephim don't follow other Slender series. There's the possibility that they're unaware that Tribe Twelve already introduced time travel. Besides, they had the basic outline of the story planned out before Season 2 started.

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They would be copying regardless of if they thought of the idea first. Tribe Twelve executed it first. Unintentionally copying is still copying.

There's an episode of South Park that sums it up quite nicely. "Simpsons Did It."

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:22 am

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This entry wouldn't make any fucking sense if it was set during #52.

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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:00 am

EmeraldWind
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Ark is watching wrote:

gazza wrote:

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Guys, please either spoiler tag immersion-breaking discussions, or take them to the out-of-game threads.

Yeah, but the mods want these topics to be keep free of OOG content and have been known to enforce it.

Anyway on topic.

While a couple of people mentioned Tim's scene at the end only a few have mentioned the possibility that this was the moment that Tim/Masky was his disillusionment with Hoody's agenda. After these events take place the next time we chronologically see Tim is when Jay finds him at the end of season 2. When Tim has finally succeeded in getting his life back in order.

Hoody remains inactive beyond the TTA videos that he posts in response to Jay's review of the tapes from the lost seven months, but does seem to imply that he's keeping his eye on Jay. So maybe during this time Hoody was too preoccupied with making sure Jay was safe to do anything about the disillusioned Tim. It's also possible the reason Tim had no trouble for a while was because Hoody was preoccupied. No Hoody stealing his drugs at least since Jay was implied to be far from Rosswood while checking the Season 2 tapes.

Either way this would be the last time (that I remember) the two actually worked together until Entry 61/62 when Hoody steals Tim's pills and the two go to Rosswood to capture Jay.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:04 am

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Beidah wrote:

This entry wouldn't make any fucking sense if it was set during #52.

There is no real difference in plot whether this takes place during 52 or 33. Prove me wrong on that. Jessica still doesn't remember anything that happened before it. Which would fit in perfectly with 52, as we never knew how Jessica lost her memory.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:12 am

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EmeraldWind wrote:

While a couple of people mentioned Tim's scene at the end only a few have mentioned the possibility that this was the moment that Tim/Masky was his disillusionment with Hoody's agenda. After these events take place the next time we chronologically see Tim is when Jay finds him at the end of season 2. When Tim has finally succeeded in getting his life back in order.

Hoody remains inactive beyond the TTA videos that he posts in response to Jay's review of the tapes from the lost seven months, but does seem to imply that he's keeping his eye on Jay. So maybe during this time Hoody was too preoccupied with making sure Jay was safe to do anything about the disillusioned Tim. It's also possible the reason Tim had no trouble for a while was because Hoody was preoccupied. No Hoody stealing his drugs at least since Jay was implied to be far from Rosswood while checking the Season 2 tapes.

Either way this would be the last time (that I remember) the two actually worked together until Entry 61/62 when Hoody steals Tim's pills and the two go to Rosswood to capture Jay.

This is a very good observation, and I feel dumb for not thinking of it. And for forgetting all about their apparent falling-out.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:20 am

Sha Noran
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Marble Hornets wrote:

UnQuantifiable wrote:

Dhawk314 wrote:

But, this video is from right after Entry #33. Jay didn't know Masky was Tim back then, let alone had he formed an alliance with him and began trusting him. Are you saying Alex predicted years in advance that Jay would re-discover Masky is Tim, meet up with him, and form an alliance with him, and he orchestrated the whole thing in advance to disrupt that?

Jeeze, I keep forgetting how much time has passed in this series. But yes, I think what Alex and The Operator did in Entry 76 was very intentional. No mistakes were made. Alex not only wanted to reveal Masky and Hoody team-up, but taunt Jay into thinking Jessica is alive and removing all hope of it. Alex knew Jay would find that tape eventually, was only a matter of time. Maybe as a subtle way to help Jay without anyone really realizing it? Okay, that's a bit out there lol.

Hoody wanted Jay to watch the tape, but I think it had an effect he wasn't counting on. I think Hoody's intentions were that him and Masky were trying to save Jessica, therefor it'll prove that they're on Jay's side. But it had the unfortunate effect of breaking Jay's trust in Tim. If I'm right, next entry or TTA reply will be featuring Hoody almost exclusively.

MarbleHornets wrote:

We still don't know when this took place. It could have came after 33, but just as well could have came during 52. There is no tell tale sign.

Why would they leave Jessica in the hotel for YEARS then? That doesn't make sense. This had to have took place after Entry 33. Would like to hear theories for other times this may have taken place though.

Also, no one's forcing you to read our walls of hypotheticals.

You clearly don't watch the series close enough if you think entries 52 and 33 were years apart. Entry 33 takes place 1, maybe two weeks at most after entry 52. Entry 27 is the morning after 52.

And nobody's forcing me, but I shouldn't have to skip every long wall of text in fear it's going to be a dumbass theory.

You clearly don't watch the series closely enough if you think 76 could have happened the night of 52.

And why do you think people wanna read your "dumbass theories" just because you explain them in less detail? Why even post in the thread or be on the forum if you aren't going to read people's responses to your posts and people's own theories? I think you're just a troll at this point... At least Serum is being witty. You just seem like a jackass.

Sorry Zargg, but I really can't stand this kid anymore. He has derailed like, this entire thread. Bullshit.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:22 am

ReverendJ
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Sha Noran wrote:

I think you're just a troll at this point... At least Serum is being witty. You just seem like a jackass.

Sorry Zargg, but I really can't stand this kid anymore. He has derailed like, this entire thread. Bullshit.

If you feel he is a troll why are you feeding?

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:39 am

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Sha Noran wrote:

Marble Hornets wrote:

UnQuantifiable wrote:

Dhawk314 wrote:

MarbleHornets wrote:

We still don't know when this took place. It could have came after 33, but just as well could have came during 52. There is no tell tale sign.

Give me proof that 76 could not have happened on the night of 52

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:39 am

Sha Noran
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Marble Hornets wrote:

Beidah wrote:

This entry wouldn't make any fucking sense if it was set during #52.

The plot difference is MASSIVE. This Entry is explaining her disappearance. Entry 52 explains why she is in the hotel and her initial memory loss. I'm just gonna ignore your posts from now on, because as trolls go, you're worse than Serum. You are making this thread a big pain to read. And I'll add, I HOPE you're a troll, because the only other option is that you're stupid as fuck.

I'll debate all day whether Jessica survived, but damn dude the timing of the Entry is supposed to be OBVIOUS. Especially to a fan. You really just sound like a fucking moron, especially when you wanted to yell at people in all caps that a coded message from TTA, which is really close to being completely irrelevant, is your reasoning for determining Jessica's fate. There a thousand more interesting/legitimately debatable points regarding this Entry. So frustrating that I even feel the urge to explain any of this.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:40 am

Master of Octopi
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EmeraldWind wrote:

Anyway on topic.

While a couple of people mentioned Tim's scene at the end only a few have mentioned the possibility that this was the moment that Tim/Masky was his disillusionment with Hoody's agenda. After these events take place the next time we chronologically see Tim is when Jay finds him at the end of season 2. When Tim has finally succeeded in getting his life back in order.

Hoody remains inactive beyond the TTA videos that he posts in response to Jay's review of the tapes from the lost seven months, but does seem to imply that he's keeping his eye on Jay. So maybe during this time Hoody was too preoccupied with making sure Jay was safe to do anything about the disillusioned Tim. It's also possible the reason Tim had no trouble for a while was because Hoody was preoccupied. No Hoody stealing his drugs at least since Jay was implied to be far from Rosswood while checking the Season 2 tapes.

Either way this would be the last time (that I remember) the two actually worked together until Entry 61/62 when Hoody steals Tim's pills and the two go to Rosswood to capture Jay.

I like this thought process, and I think I agree with you relatively wholeheartedly, at least at two in the morning. The Hoody and Masky duo is a relationship that has intrigued me from as soon as I saw them working together (and is, in my opinion, one of the best parts of the series). Hoody's influence on Tim could be mostly negative; Hoody could be the one in the driver's seat, so to speak, and could have been using Tim to get what he wanted- whether his ends are necessarily altruistic remains to be seen (though I believe he is trying to help in his own way), but even if they are intended to help, the idea that he is using Tim almost as a cat's-paw unsettles me.

You know, a lot of people assume that Tim's Masky persona was brought on by proximity to or direct action from the Operator, but it really might just be due to Hoody's influence. I've seen it discussed on other threads that Tim might have a disassociative disorder or some other such mental issues (trying to be as PC here as possible; not making light of any form of insanity). It is possible that Tim never had contact with the Operator prior to the original Marble Hornets shoot, and his existing mental health problems made him an easy target for Hoody to manipulate into an alliance. For those unsure of what I mean, it would look something like:

1. Hoody is in trouble with the Operator and/or Alex, and needs help from someone.
2. Tim has contact with the Operator, which throws him into some kind of instability- not necessarily insanity, could be standard Slendersickness and memory loss.
3. Hoody learns of Tim's contact (or they were both exposed to him/her/it simultaneously).
4. Hoody knows or finds out about Tim's history of mental instability, yet recruits him as an ally.
5. Hoody, after gaining Tim's trust, begins encouraging Tim's disassociation. Possibly he begins stealing his medication (assuming that he was on some sort of anti-insanity pills), or something along those lines. Eventually, a malleable tool forms, giving birth to Masky. (In fact, I have a chilling image in my head of Hoody making Tim's mask and placing it over his face for the first time).

Or none of this is remotely accurate, and Hoody and Masky were just a couple of pals who got Slenderized and went a little nuts.

Regardless of the beginning of their alliance, I do agree that this entry might be the events which ended it. Further, I agree that Tim might have left all of this insanity behind at the end of the entry, and that is when he got back on track with as normal a life he could maintain.

This is probably not how everything happened, but it could be a pretty damn interesting twist. It would also cement Tim's place in my mind as the most tragic figure in any series I currently watch (with the notable exception of Evan in EverymanHybrid).

Finally, I'd like to preemptively apologize if anyone found or finds my speculations nonsensical; my wife and friends don't watch the series, and I kind of don't have anyone else of whom to bounce any sort of ideas off.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:42 am

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the fact that totheark says "she's out there" in a video where jessica appears, in order to counter argue people saying she's confirmed dead because alex was standing over her, is not irrelevant in any way

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:42 am

Sha Noran
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How about that Alex needed the videos from 27 to 32 to determine where Jay and Jessica were hiding? Why would he have been able to find them the SAME NIGHT as the events of 52?? Ridiculous. And how did Jessica get BACK to the hotel after 76 to be there for 27-32?? And why would they give us this tape and not have it be the explanation for where she disappeared to in 32-33 Mr. OOG Spam? And why would even Jay say (and Trosephim by OOG writing extension) even say "she's been gone since I left the hotel"? Jay left in Entry 33. Get a fuckin grip on the facts of the series.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:47 am

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Sha Noran wrote:

Ironic. This video shows Tim and Hoody taking Jessica out of the hotel. Alex was never near it.

WHy would he have been able to find them the same night as the events of 52? How did the operator find them. We know they work together, so there's no reason to think he couldn't communicate it to him.

Jessica got back to the hotel after 76 because the operator teleported her back there. Entry 65 shows he can teleport people wherever he wants. She wakes up, has no recollection of how she got there, and that's exactly what she ends up saying later on.

Why would they have this not be between 32 and 33? Because they also needed a reason to explain how Jessica lost her memory. Once the operator is involved with you he can take you whenever he wants. There's your explanation for 33.

See above as to why she went missing.

The funny thing is that I personally think it happened during 33. I am just explaining why we shouldn't rule out 52, because people seem to have no problem doing so.

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:51 am

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