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Omberto
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 		"Liar's Theory"
Apologies if this has already been put forward, but I have pieced something together I'd like to put forth to the community.

Tim is a Liar.

The term "Liar" has been used a lot lately towards Tim, and respectively has come most often from totheark. Why? Because he has deceived everyone it looks like.

TTA and Masky had some kind of partnership early in the series based on early TTA entries where Masky would willingly appear. The nature of this partnership seems to have stemmed from their mutual target: Alex. Throughout Season 2, these two stalked Jay, knowing he was getting closer to Alex, and this culminated in the gun struggle in the barn, and the breaking of TiMasky's leg. The pair could get close, but they just couldn't get Alex.

Then Alex vanishes.

Their target lost, who do they turn to: Jay. Entry 68 comes to post, and this is where the theory begins. TTA wants to tie up Jay as a loose end, but TiMasky has a better idea: Let Jay go and use him. TiMasky says he'll go undercover to gain Jay's trust and find Alex. Jay did it once before, why discard him now? TTA agrees and releases Jay and Tim with some pills telling Jay to enjoy his "Last Birthday" as assumibly, once he leads them to Alex, Jay will have outlived his usefulness.

1 Year Passes.

Alex is being pursued, but is still just out of reach. "Decline" is posted with the Spectrogram message for TiMasky "Is he gone, or have you made me a liar????" in reference to the "last birthday" comment. Things have changed however, Tim and Jay have bonded. Tim is recovering rapidly. Tim thinks if they can find Alex and hand him over, Jay can be converted or spared.

TTA doesn't like this. Masky has been gone a year with nothing to show for it.

LIAR. Tim hasn't found Alex within the year. LIAR. Tim refuses to turn over or kill Jay. LIAR. Tim betrays TTA and stops The Operator from claiming Jay. LIAR.

And this is what that tape is all about. TTA left it there knowing Tim and Jay would have to go there eventually. Alex never knew it was there, why would he look if the pills are gone? This was TTA's gambit. He knew Jay would want it, the blackmail material exposing Tim and TTA's third act plan. Jay will lose all faith and trust in Tim, and in doing so, he will become an easy target for TTA and The Operator.

I'm sorry this is rather lengthy, but I wanted to be as thorough as I could. Questions and criticisms I'd love to hear.

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Marble Hornets
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 		A huge hole in this theory is that the "last birthday" thing was posted on alex's birthday, clearly directed at him.

Also you're basically saying hoody can't kill alex and that only tim can. Hoody held alex at gunpoint. If his sole motive in all this is to kill alex then he wouldn't have hesitated to pull the trigger.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
A huge hole in this theory is that the "last birthday" thing was posted on alex's birthday, clearly directed at him.


Actually, this doesn't change the theory too much, just the hypothetical time limit TTA had set up.

Apologies, that was my bad I thought it was Jay, but it's dependent of Tom's birthday apparently. (It's been a while since I watched that entry)

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Also you're basically saying hoody can't kill alex and that only tim can. Hoody held alex at gunpoint. If his sole motive in all this is to kill alex then he wouldn't have hesitated to pull the trigger.


Actually, given prior entries, I think you're right. Hoody DID hold Alex at gunpoint, and TiMasky DID wrestle/stab him. I don't think it's that they can't kill him, I think it's that they cannot find him, and this is what I think "The Ark" does. Somehow it obscures the bearer from The Operator and those who use his power by extension. Masky DID recently hold Alex at gunpoint, the question right now is: did he finish it?

If he did, then this re-enforces the idea that Tim is trying to protect Jay, but if Alex lives, then I don't know. This is just a hypothesis mind you, it's subject to changes and revisions based on what we learn and know. Personally, right now, I think Alex is dead.

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 		Well he clearly didn't 'finish it' because Alex was waiting in Tim's house in a more recent entry. Also hoody could have offed him right there, it's not like he gave Alex back his gun. Also masky never held alex at gunpoint.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Well he clearly didn't 'finish it' because Alex was waiting in Tim's house in a more recent entry. Also hoody could have offed him right there, it's not like he gave Alex back his gun. Also masky never held alex at gunpoint.


I would actually like to debate this a moment: "entry #73"

This video has been bothering me since Entry #74 when Tim says "It looks like Alex has been living in my attic."

Here's what we see: The attic opens, we see someone's shins, the cameraman flees, and he films a silhouette in the window. We don't actually see the person's face, so we can't 100% confirm this is Alex.

Given the time gap between 73 & 75, I want to believe the filmer is Tim, and that's TTA coming down. Tim steals back the last of his pills and bails because he doesn't want to confront whoever it is at this point. Why does he go back with Jay? I think he THOUGHT it was Alex and thinks it's a better idea to try and 2-on-1 ambush him as last time he solo fought him he got his leg busted.

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Omberto wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Well he clearly didn't 'finish it' because Alex was waiting in Tim's house in a more recent entry. Also hoody could have offed him right there, it's not like he gave Alex back his gun. Also masky never held alex at gunpoint.


I would actually like to debate this a moment: "entry #73"

This video has been bothering me since Entry #74 when Tim says "It looks like Alex has been living in my attic."

Here's what we see: The attic opens, we see someone's shins, the cameraman flees, and he films a silhouette in the window. We don't actually see the person's face, so we can't 100% confirm this is Alex.

Given the time gap between 73 & 75, I want to believe the filmer is Tim, and that's TTA coming down. Tim steals back the last of his pills and bails because he doesn't want to confront whoever it is at this point. Why does he go back with Jay? I think he THOUGHT it was Alex and thinks it's a better idea to try and 2-on-1 ambush him as last time he solo fought him he got his leg busted.



They wouldn't tell us Tim thinks it's Alex unless it's Alex. We can see hoody's gloves in that video so we can also confirm he was filming. There are only 3 characters in the series it could have been given that (jay, tim, or alex - jay and tim are automatically eliminated seeing as they were staying at a hotel). On top of that, Tim wouldn't be sneaking around his own house. We know it's hoody from the gloves, but even if we didn't, we saw the person filming sneaking around and breaking in. Also, Last time Tim fought Alex was well after entry 35 and even then Jay was fighting with Alex so it wasn't solo.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Omberto wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Well he clearly didn't 'finish it' because Alex was waiting in Tim's house in a more recent entry. Also hoody could have offed him right there, it's not like he gave Alex back his gun. Also masky never held alex at gunpoint.


I would actually like to debate this a moment: "entry #73"

This video has been bothering me since Entry #74 when Tim says "It looks like Alex has been living in my attic."

Here's what we see: The attic opens, we see someone's shins, the cameraman flees, and he films a silhouette in the window. We don't actually see the person's face, so we can't 100% confirm this is Alex.

Given the time gap between 73 & 75, I want to believe the filmer is Tim, and that's TTA coming down. Tim steals back the last of his pills and bails because he doesn't want to confront whoever it is at this point. Why does he go back with Jay? I think he THOUGHT it was Alex and thinks it's a better idea to try and 2-on-1 ambush him as last time he solo fought him he got his leg busted.



They wouldn't tell us Tim thinks it's Alex unless it's Alex. We can see hoody's gloves in that video so we can also confirm he was filming. There are only 3 characters in the series it could have been given that (jay, tim, or alex - jay and tim are automatically eliminated seeing as they were staying at a hotel). On top of that, Tim wouldn't be sneaking around his own house. We know it's hoody from the gloves, but even if we didn't, we saw the person filming sneaking around and breaking in. Also, Last time Tim fought Alex was well after entry 35 and even then Jay was fighting with Alex so it wasn't solo.


I have to get back to work right now, but I'd like to continue this later if possible, I'm enjoying this open discussion.

1. It's possible Tim mistook TTA for Alex or maybe he wants to take TTA down at this point as he's a threat to him and Jay.

2. Gloves can be bought, and if he wanted to really sell this to Jay, I think he would buy a pair or modify some.

3. Me saying 2-on-1 is a little misleading. Remember, right now we have a gun unaccounted for. Whoever it is, a 1-on-1 is a bad idea now with a firearm somewhere in the mix.

4.If Tim the Liar wants his pills and to make it look like Alex is there to rope Jay in, yes, I think he'd stage this and post it. There's a missing 2 weeks, and we have no promises that Tim was in the hotel the whole time apart from his testimony.

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 		Sometimes you have to ask yourself what would realistically happen and be easily explainable in the series, rather than trying to morph the story to fit a theory.


Tim can get as many pills as he needs from his doctor. Hoody can't.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Sometimes you have to ask yourself what would realistically happen and be easily explainable in the series, rather than trying to morph the story to fit a theory.


Tim can get as many pills as he needs from his doctor. Hoody can't.


This is true on both points. Tim does have more refills I bet.

I know there's a damn good chance I'm wrong and the next entry will likely do it. Only time can tell.

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 		More like Swiss Cheese Theory - full of holes. Wink

Nah, mainly just erroneous comments regarding Alex and his accessibility. If Hoody just wanted to kill Alex and that was his one overriding goal, Alex would be dead. Hoody could have killed him 4 separate times now, at least. In 73, wait for him to take a few more steps down from the attic and tag him up; Hoody has his gun with him. 67 Hoody has the gun to his head, AFTER letting Tim beat Alex... It seems they wanted information from him and were interrogating him. 68 Alex rolls up on the Hoody Hideout and Hoody merely laughs in his face, rather than attacking. And also that Entry way back where they.lure him from his home and TiMasky almost smashes his head with a rock, but blatantly misses on purpose. From this moment on Hoody knows where Alex lives, so he could've finished the job if that was his true motivation.

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 		Ugh, this is the point that has bothered me this whole series: Motive.

They say they want to be led to The Ark, but then they attack the shit out of them, they say they'll wait no more, but then were no closer to the truth a year later. They call people liars, but don't even try to exposing them, even when they have the means to do so.

Seriously, TiMasky and Hoody are more annoying than threatening it feels!

"With Slendy's power, we are free! We can do anything!"
"Oh noes! What are you going to do?"
"Faff around for 3 years and be weird!"
"...beg pardon? Did you take motivation lessons on Omnipotence from Doctor Manhatten?"

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 		I mean, with the lying thing hoody does try to expose people

In one tta video it's a voice recording of alex saying "i can't get to the phone right now blah blah" and hoody calls him a liar (because he is available, just ignoring jay on purpose)

Later on he writes liar on the hospital wall and the medical files, implying tim was lying. and we now know tim was lying to jay.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
I mean, with the lying thing hoody does try to expose people

In one tta video it's a voice recording of alex saying "i can't get to the phone right now blah blah" and hoody calls him a liar (because he is available, just ignoring jay on purpose)

Later on he writes liar on the hospital wall and the medical files, implying tim was lying. and we now know tim was lying to jay.


I think in part I'm trying to rationalize how Tim went from a state of constant TiMasky to making his episodes virtually non-existent. Yes, he has the pills, but they didn't seem to do shit for 2 years there.

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 		Marble, I think what Omberto was referring to as far as not even trying to expose the lies/liars is that if TTA is making these claims then theoretically he should be able to back it up. Why not just explain to Jay what the Ark is, how and why Tim is lying, why didn't he explain better earlier that the pills are a defense, and very specifically, why not steal the tape in 73 and just show Jay the contents?

Well I think that's because for the most part, TTA is Hoody's alternate and insane persona, so he can't really make sense of it himself. Also I think he didn't take the tape to show it to Jay because he agrees with Tim that Jay should not see it yet. It will make more sense I'm sure once we see what is on that tape... I think that tape is going to explain a lot of Hoody and Tim's behavior.

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