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Sha Noran
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 		I am disappoint.

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 		This post is about us not the entry.

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If you don't like his behavior just stop encouraging it. He wants you to derail the thread then he can go back and be all "Look we are like 5 hours after this entry and not talking about what happened in it we are arguing...it was just a filler episode" and get you all cranked up again.


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ReverendJ wrote:
This post is about us not the entry.

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If you don't like his behavior just stop encouraging it. He wants you to derail the thread then he can go back and be all "Look we are like 5 hours after this entry and not talking about what happened in it we are arguing...it was just a filler episode" and get you all cranked up again.


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Then let me ask a serious question.

How is this kind of behaviour not a bannable offence? It is recurring, this isn't an isolated incident.

If a person in a community exists and thrives off of disrupting that community, and the majority of the community are in agreement that said behaviour is recurring and disruptive, why do we let it continue?

If the mods are uncomfortable banning someone with no warning (I would be too, to be frank, and would rather Marble Hornets become a constructive member of the community instead, though at this point there hasn't really been a glimmer of hope for that), even if they've had many chances, then my suggestion would be to give him that warning. I hope I'm not coming off as too rash about this, but, there is a point where something should be done about this kind of behaviour.

If not ban, slap on the wrist, see if it continues. The behaviour in this thread should be more than enough grounds to issue a warning.


In terms of the entry:

Good entry. It's hard to tell who the real crazies are: Jay or Tim. At this point, the series has done a great job in making the viewer not entirely sure who to trust in terms of acting on something. It also shows real desperation on both parties, and sets real interesting things up. If I were Jay, I'd try to move to the kitchen and get something to break out, but I'm pretty sure something else is going to happen before he's able to do that, which is gonna be real interesting.

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Jordan
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I immediately laughed my ass off at how small that fucking knife was. Who the hell would get intimidated by that?


Well, from Jay's POV, he wanted to get proper answers out of Tim and see if he could trust him. But, he's not crazy (from his POV) , so of course he didn't bring a much bigger knife!

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Arizona
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adaminator1 wrote:
Good entry. It's hard to tell who the real crazies are: Jay or Tim. At this point, the series has done a great job in making the viewer not entirely sure who to trust in terms of acting on something. It also shows real desperation on both parties, and sets real interesting things up. If I were Jay, I'd try to move to the kitchen and get something to break out, but I'm pretty sure something else is going to happen before he's able to do that, which is gonna be real interesting.


I'm fairly certain that both Tim and Jay have completely lost it by now -- it's just that their individual psychoses are in direct conflict.

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Marble Hornets
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adaminator1 wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
This post is about us not the entry.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
If you don't like his behavior just stop encouraging it. He wants you to derail the thread then he can go back and be all "Look we are like 5 hours after this entry and not talking about what happened in it we are arguing...it was just a filler episode" and get you all cranked up again.


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Then let me ask a serious question.

How is this kind of behaviour not a bannable offence? It is recurring, this isn't an isolated incident.

If a person in a community exists and thrives off of disrupting that community, and the majority of the community are in agreement that said behaviour is recurring and disruptive, why do we let it continue?

If the mods are uncomfortable banning someone with no warning (I would be too, to be frank, and would rather Marble Hornets become a constructive member of the community instead, though at this point there hasn't really been a glimmer of hope for that), even if they've had many chances, then my suggestion would be to give him that warning. I hope I'm not coming off as too rash about this, but, there is a point where something should be done about this kind of behaviour.

If not ban, slap on the wrist, see if it continues. The behaviour in this thread should be more than enough grounds to issue a warning.





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Having more people on your side does not make your stance the "correct one." If every person who posted about ignoring me and moving on actually did so, there wouldn't be any drama.

I have not been the one to start arguments with people. I have done nothing wrong, and therefore I will not be banned. I'm entitled to my own opinion regardless of how you feel about it. You are the ones who constantly get offended over my opposing opinion or stance. You are the ones who write paragraphs explaining how you can't stand the negativity. You are the ones who cause all this derailing in the first place because you have to let everyone know your frustration.


Any rational person can read through my posts in this thread and see that I've been nothing but civil, even with people overreactingly raging at me bc I said some negative things about the series (things that I still stand behind).


If you disagree with my opinion and think I'm an asshole, that's your right. But don't blame me for all this derailing when the problem lies with the people who wrongfully treat my opinions as fact, and the people that feel the need to make their opinion regarding my posts heard.

I am just as much a fan as anyone out there. I know every little detail there is to know. But if something needs work or was flat out bad, I don't think it should be ignored or pushed aside if the only reasoning is that criticism is something people don't want to hear.


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 		A short Entry was very refreshing for once. We've had too many 10+ minute Entries with minimal plot progression this season. This was the exact opposite: a short Entry with great character work and plot progression.

All it was really missing was the horror, which is honestly something I'm really missing about the series. We still have eerie and unsettling moments of tension, but they're increasingly few and far between since season two. I've thought about making a topic dedicated to discussing how the series has shifted from horror to thriller to mystery over the years. It's something that's rather irksome to me, not that the plot isn't interesting.

As far the contents of this Entry, really interesting to see jay going further off the deep end. His need to document everything and have his camera as a security blanket is blatant. I see no reason to not trust Tim, honestly. What, the creepy guy who's yet to show his face and communicates largely through cryptic nonsense says Tim is up to no good? Let's believe that guy!

I'm curious as to the timeline (Timline?) of all this, though. Tim takes camera, Tim goes to college to investigate, ??????, Tim uploads video. Is Jay still bound? Did Tim simply take Jay's camera so Jay couldn't have it, with no intention of actually using it for documentation purposes?

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Jordan
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Arizona wrote:
adaminator1 wrote:
Good entry. It's hard to tell who the real crazies are: Jay or Tim. At this point, the series has done a great job in making the viewer not entirely sure who to trust in terms of acting on something. It also shows real desperation on both parties, and sets real interesting things up. If I were Jay, I'd try to move to the kitchen and get something to break out, but I'm pretty sure something else is going to happen before he's able to do that, which is gonna be real interesting.


I'm fairly certain that both Tim and Jay have completely lost it by now -- it's just that their individual psychoses are in direct conflict.


I don't think Tim is crazy. Tim seems to be a nice guy and I'm sure there's quite a whole lot of him who just wants Jay to take his meds and return to lucidity, if he can for alturstic reasons. Yes, shackling up someone isn't a good idea - no, internet, it really isn't - but right now Jay is a danger to himself and to others. He can't admit Jay, because he needs to find out what Jay has been holding back (something which Jay might not even know he's been holding back - and whose to say, he can even remember it now with his rapid detoriation) and there's still a possibility that if he gets Jay to take his meds (or even drug him so he could take them), Jay could still be functional enough to help both of them.

If your refering to his behaviour in #75, you've got to remember Tim has been on his own for a very long time. He's not the same guy he was when they were filming Marble Hornets - Brian seemed to help him to socialise and get out there - and is pretty much alone. He didn't want and actually seemed to be happy (with a lot of self-loathing, which he really didn't know how to hide) to have someone around and actually depend on him for once. I can see how Jay and the audience got a creepy vibe off that (although, I'm not saying this couldn't pertain to something darker and a lot more sinister, either. We could have Tim after all giving Jay his meds and Jay beginning to come back to lucidity and trust Tim, only to reliase that Tim really is crazy after all, but Jay still has to depend on him to surrive while he recoperates)

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It makes me think of a that's it ending. Like this is the end. Tim took Jay's camera to stop him uploading. He left him bound, he's now taken by The Operator. Tim is going to stop Alex and continue where Jay left off, but there's no more entries as Tim doesn't want to upload to YouTube. This was just to show Jay is out of the picture Alex is next and who cares about Hoody?

I know this isn't what's going to happen, but still, something to ponder if we get a "that's all folks" entry
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ToTheAlex wrote:
I immediately laughed my ass off at how small that fucking knife was. Who the hell would get intimidated by that?

Also, Tim took self-defense classes during the wait. He knew exactly what to do in the heat of the moment.

Hoody will most likely free Jay before Tim gets back. I'm not sure what would happen after that, though. Maybe Tim will find that Amy is still alive and knows where Jessica is? This could go many different ways now. Innnnnnteresting.


Hoody's not going to go anywhere near Jay. Know why? Because the moment he cuts Jay's bonds, Jay is going to start wailing on him. Hoody don't want any part of that shit. So he's just going to leave him sitting there, tied up. Hoody isn't stupid. He's just insane. He knows full well that Jay has lost it.


Hoody ran out of pills, though. Early TTA vids were meant to threaten and scare Jay. This could have been a very long game with him as a sort of contingency if Tim ever faltered. Get Jay destabilized enough so he wouldn't have any compunction against killing someone, then when the time is right, turn him loose on Alex.
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JustJim wrote:
A short Entry was very refreshing for once. We've had too many 10+ minute Entries with minimal plot progression this season. This was the exact opposite: a short Entry with great character work and plot progression.

All it was really missing was the horror, which is honestly something I'm really missing about the series. We still have eerie and unsettling moments of tension, but they're increasingly few and far between since season two. I've thought about making a topic dedicated to discussing how the series has shifted from horror to thriller to mystery over the years. It's something that's rather irksome to me, not that the plot isn't interesting.

As far the contents of this Entry, really interesting to see jay going further off the deep end. His need to document everything and have his camera as a security blanket is blatant. I see no reason to not trust Tim, honestly. What, the creepy guy who's yet to show his face and communicates largely through cryptic nonsense says Tim is up to no good? Let's believe that guy!

I'm curious as to the timeline (Timline?) of all this, though. Tim takes camera, Tim goes to college to investigate, ??????, Tim uploads video. Is Jay still bound? Did Tim simply take Jay's camera so Jay couldn't have it, with no intention of actually using it for documentation purposes?


Well, from Jay's POV, there's still the fact he hid the tape and you have to remember that Jay just hasn't had any real companionship for a very long time, except for his few fleeting moments with Jessica. Jay couldn't help but bond with Tim somewhat, despite his distrust, and to find out that that person may have really been playing him the whole time.

That and you've got to factor in that Tim's behaviour in entry #75 could easily have been read as being more then a little creepy. Tim's been alone for a long time and has always depended on other people to get along in life, he seemed quite happy (although probably with a whole lot of self-loathing) for someone to actually rely on him for once and just doesn't have the social skills anymore to hide it. So, I do get where Jay is coming from and it's not just Operator-induced illness messing with his head (as was his reading of entry #76)

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Hazman wrote:
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It makes me think of a that's it ending. Like this is the end. Tim took Jay's camera to stop him uploading. He left him bound, he's now taken by The Operator. Tim is going to stop Alex and continue where Jay left off, but there's no more entries as Tim doesn't want to upload to YouTube. This was just to show Jay is out of the picture Alex is next and who cares about Hoody?

I know this isn't what's going to happen, but still, something to ponder if we get a "that's all folks" entry


I think Tim has adjusted to the idea of what Jay filming everything - and while it's probably not his most favourite thing in the world to do, he does understand that by documenting what's happening, who knows, they might actually be helping someone who is having similar or the same problem and they might gleam something from it and who knows - maybe someone could actually help them? (As was Jay's original purpose with the channel to help him find answers about Alex)

That and by doing it, he's honouring the memory of sane Jay, the guy who helped him out and became his friend.

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JustJim wrote:
A short Entry was very refreshing for once. We've had too many 10+ minute Entries with minimal plot progression this season. This was the exact opposite: a short Entry with great character work and plot progression.

All it was really missing was the horror, which is honestly something I'm really missing about the series. We still have eerie and unsettling moments of tension, but they're increasingly few and far between since season two. I've thought about making a topic dedicated to discussing how the series has shifted from horror to thriller to mystery over the years. It's something that's rather irksome to me, not that the plot isn't interesting.

As far the contents of this Entry, really interesting to see jay going further off the deep end. His need to document everything and have his camera as a security blanket is blatant. I see no reason to not trust Tim, honestly. What, the creepy guy who's yet to show his face and communicates largely through cryptic nonsense says Tim is up to no good? Let's believe that guy!

I'm curious as to the timeline (Timline?) of all this, though. Tim takes camera, Tim goes to college to investigate, ??????, Tim uploads video. Is Jay still bound? Did Tim simply take Jay's camera so Jay couldn't have it, with no intention of actually using it for documentation purposes?


Nah. Tim knows what he's up against and wants to have something in case he can't remember what goes down at college.

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 		I'm in the camp of Tim uploaded this asap, as in (well I don't know how internet in USA works) but as he was driving, on the mobile network maybe? Has anyone wondered if the JayText font at the end is the/a preset text on the camera, therefore Tim using it is the default settings Jay has on the camera?

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Hazman wrote:
I'm in the camp of Tim uploaded this asap, as in (well I don't know how internet in USA works) but as he was driving, on the mobile network maybe? Has anyone wondered if the JayText font at the end is the/a preset text on the camera, therefore Tim using it is the default settings Jay has on the camera?


I don't think that could happen, but it's entirely possible he stopped somewhere -- like an Internet cafe that Jay's never been to -- and slapped the video together in a hurry on one of the computers there. That font, or one that looks like it, comes standard on most computers, Mac or Windows.

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