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Beidah
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Vincent wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
Vincent if people are trying to make you feel bad for mentioning a theory about a
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web series about a faceless monster on some corner of a subforum, on a bigger forum in some corner of the nearly nerdiest part of the internet, you don't have to listen to them.

You never have to feel bad about talking about something, unless you're hurting people, and if people are hurt cause you mentioned the "Jay has a Masky state" theory then that's their problem not your's.


I don't feel bad, I just didn't mean to spark a debate.


Then you should just leave. This place is rather volatile, like most forums I go to. Anything and everything can spark a debate. Like I said some months ago, people on the internet will argue about which side of the bed is best to sleep on.
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Hazman
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Serum wrote:
(cute picture of a cat)


What is that meant to represent?

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McGregor
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 		Are we completely disregarding entry 19 and Return?

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ZargggModerator
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BetaPix wrote:
Just thought I'd post it. Best shot I could find from #62. If you look very closely, Tim has the tape in his pocket.

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OOG: Trosephim are really careful with little details, no doubt about it

Great effort, but Tim actually said it was in his jacket pocket, not jeans.

McGregor wrote:
Are we completely disregarding entry 19 and Return?

I don't know, are we?

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Marble Hornets
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Beidah wrote:
Vincent wrote:
DHawk314 wrote:
Vincent if people are trying to make you feel bad for mentioning a theory about a
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fictional
web series about a faceless monster on some corner of a subforum, on a bigger forum in some corner of the nearly nerdiest part of the internet, you don't have to listen to them.

You never have to feel bad about talking about something, unless you're hurting people, and if people are hurt cause you mentioned the "Jay has a Masky state" theory then that's their problem not your's.


I don't feel bad, I just didn't mean to spark a debate.


Then you should just leave. This place is rather volatile, like most forums I go to. Anything and everything can spark a debate. Like I said some months ago, people on the internet will argue about which side of the bed is best to sleep on.

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A debate and an argument are two different things

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/47064/whats-the-difference-between-debate-and-argument

scroll down to the top answer

debate is good for discussion. argument is bad for the people reading.


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DHawk314
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Zarggg wrote:
McGregor wrote:
Are we completely disregarding entry 19 and Return?

I don't know, are we?


He means how Jay disappears from his house and in Return, implied to be the same night, he's seen in a weird trance state. But we also know Jay has weird trance states from how he was "Out of it" when he had that seizure after the Operator attack lately, and how in Entry #24 he was walking around his apt in the middle of the night without any memory, but all we see him do in trance and stand and walk, that doesn't mean there's a real Masky-esc alternate persona in Jay, we don't have enough information to make that conclusion.

Anyway, I would say that whether debates and arguments are different, and what the difference is, if there is one, is subjective, or rather it's at least as subjective as the definition of the word filler *ollies out on the smart ass mobile*
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Then you should just leave.


Ouch, I think I'll just continue to be a lurker. Sorry for having to respond to me, I can see how I can be an annoyance.

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Beidah
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Then you should just leave.


Ouch, I think I'll just continue to be a lurker. Sorry for having to respond to me, I can see how I can be an annoyance.


Sorry, I wasn't trying to be mean. I'm just saying that arguments and debates, which are different as Henry said, are going to happen all the time, whether you mean for them or not. That's just how the internet works. It's unfortunate, but reality.
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smgrant1100
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gennerx wrote:
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I do see what you mean, but I don't think they want to make Hoody's ID obvious by giving too many clues.
Also, you have to bear in mind the idea that they are probably going to be adding red herrings just to throw people off.


By this point I'm not sure it'd be possible to consider anyone except Brian obvious, no matter how many clues there end up being. And if they do throw in red herrings, it should only be if somebody other than Brian's Hoody, since he's obvious no matter what.


I see your point, I wouldn't say Brian is as obvious as he once was, I want it to be Sarah for teh lulz Razz but seriously, I think atm that all of them have fairly strong evidence to support that they are Hoody, I'm just going to hope it isn't Seth, or it would be a massive let-down for casual viewers.

The only strong point against Amy in my mind is that Alex attacked her (mask off) and I don't think that he'd do that if it was Amy.


Didn't we get some muffed words in one Hoody related entry that proves he's at least male?


I may be totally imagining this, but I do remember reading somewhere that sometimes different people have to stand in for Hoody during the shoots. So in theory, it could be a male or female who had a male stand-in.

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People have made a lot of theories about different actors playing the hooded guy because of OOG circumstances and the creators have shot them, down repeatedly as incorrect assumptions.

The only substantive hint of this we got was when Troy stood in for the hooded guy when they were PREPARING for Entry #45 on an extra for the Season 2 DVD; Troy says repeatedly that the actual actor (Whose name is censored) will play him in the actual filming of it.

There's no evidence that the hooded guy was ever played by anyone other than the person he's supposed to be. That's all been rumors and stuff. As a matter of fact, when talking about filming Entry #45 itself once, Tim explicitly mentioned "The guy who plays Hoody" in the scenario.

So yeah everyone always says that and it's not true or likely, but since everyone always says it I don't blame you for thinking so.

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DHawk314 wrote:
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People have made a lot of theories about different actors playing the hooded guy because of OOG circumstances and the creators have shot them, down repeatedly as incorrect assumptions.

The only substantive hint of this we got was when Troy stood in for the hooded guy when they were PREPARING for Entry #45 on an extra for the Season 2 DVD; Troy says repeatedly that the actual actor (Whose name is censored) will play him in the actual filming of it.

There's no evidence that the hooded guy was ever played by anyone other than the person he's supposed to be. That's all been rumors and stuff. As a matter of fact, when talking about filming Entry #45 itself once, Tim explicitly mentioned "The guy who plays Hoody" in the scenario.

So yeah everyone always says that and it's not true or likely, but since everyone always says it I don't blame you for thinking so.


Thanks for the correction! It must have just been speculation that I saw somewhere.

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420Goku
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 		wait woh really? cause like I had heard from everyone forever and ever that we couldn't use hoody's physical build as evidence for who s/he was

if this is the case then this really changes shit

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 		Yeah no it's all bullshit I honestly don't know where it comes from. I mean it's possible there are entries where they've used different actors for him but all of our reasons for thinking it have been confirmed bullshit. Seriously I've been in this fandom for 3 years, throw a reason at me and I can tell you why it's bullshit right off.
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 		Wow I mean I've been in this fandom for 4 years but I got most of my OOG info just from this forum and that's what everyone said.

You know things are starting to make sense in this series. I feel like it was just a little bit ago that everyone was talking about how many things were left unanswered but things are really starting to make sense. Only stuff that really needs answering that I can think of are Hoody's motives, Tim's motives, clarification on Alex's relationship with TO and how it got to what it is, and I guess what the ark is... and tbh I think we can already discern a lot of this. I doubt we'll get many answers related to TO himself. He's just a cosmic force of terror that cannot be comprehended by us lowly mortals. But, hey, if this series does end somehow in everyone getting rid of TO in someway than that will be quite impressive.

It's cool to notice a progression of protagonists. roughly:
season 1 - Alex
season 2 - Jay
season 3 - Tim

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smgrant1100
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DHawk314 wrote:
It's hard to say who has and hasn't a "Masky" state because we don't know what a Masky state is. Tim mentions as a kid he had violent episodes, which he didn't seem to remember. We've seen Jay after having only a few Operator encounters develop violent tendencies, and Alex has clearly become violent due to the Operator's influence. It's hard to argue that this isn't directly related to the Operator when distortion starts whenever they get violent.

But Tim seems to enter a sort of disassociation state, where he is no longer acting on his own behest. Then when he wakes up out of it, he doesn't remember anything. Alex seemingly remembers everything he does, even if he's so sick that his thoughts are no longer connected to actual reality, and Jay seems to be more or less a more violent version of himself.

But on the other hand, we don't know Tim's motives in his Masky state. Does Masky have his own memories and thoughts which are temporarily activated, or is every instantiation of Masky that forms a projection of however Tim was at that point in time, only with a jacked up violence level and a disconnection from reality, during which he doesn't retain memories?

We can't say if any other character has a Masky state because we don't even know if a Masky state exists or if it's just Tim's slenderinsanity, repressed by his meds and then temporarily released, or any other random possible set of insanity causes, in which case it very well may just be Jay and Alex's violent tendencies taken up to 11 plus memory loss.

But if we're asking if Jay and Alex have parallel, alternate personalities with different memories and motives then their "Normal" selves, I'm gonna have to say there's no evidence to suggest that, or reason to believe it.


If we assume that Tim is being honest about not remembering what he does as Masky, I agree that this is likely due to some form of dissociation. To me, it seems likely to be Dissociative Identity Disorder (aka Multiple Personality Disorder).

DID generally begins due to some sort of recurring childhood trauma (TO stalking seems pretty damn traumatic). The child will dissociate himself from what's happening and an alternate will take the child's place. Masky seems to be a protector alternate, which are fairly common among people with DID and would explain why Masky is trying to stop TO. From what Tim said, I would assume that Masky has only his memories and none of Tim's and vice versa. It's common for people with DID to not realize they have it as the primary symptoms are memory loss and losing time.

If it is DID, then I would doubt that anyone else has a Masky State, because DID is relatively rare and hardly ever occurs due to trauma in adulthood. I think the reason Tim is coping better than Jay and Alex is because he has Masky to step in when things get too stressful.

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