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aidansean
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At the end of the Entry #77 we get to see the shelves in Tim's garage. There are plenty of gas cans in there, and we know that there has been a history of buildings burning down in the series. I've mentioned this before- maybe Tim is/was the arsonist for some of these buildings. (There's even a gas can in the hospital at the entrance to the maintenance tunnel.)

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I always basically assumed Tim (well, Masky more specifically) burned down Jay's apartment. Granted, I think Masky needs someone telling him what to do for him to be of any use, so I'm guessing TTA instructed him to do so or "trained" him to... It doesn't seem like Masky makes any kind of complicated decisions by himself.

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Sha Noran wrote:
I always basically assumed Tim (well, Masky more specifically) burned down Jay's apartment. Granted, I think Masky needs someone telling him what to do for him to be of any use, so I'm guessing TTA instructed him to do so or "trained" him to... It doesn't seem like Masky makes any kind of complicated decisions by himself.


I still think that Masky was trying to fake Jays death by burning down his apartment.
As for the rest of your theory, it's certainly very interesting, but I don't understand why Alex/Amy would feel the need to go to the effort of changing the time-stamp on #26.

My thoughts are that Jay ran, Masky burned his apartment, then he quit. Personally I think #26 was engineered by Alex (and possibly Amy) to get JAy to reveal his location and keep going.

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Ok Sha, I see where you're theory is coming from and I understand it the more I think about it, but i still can't get on-board. It still COULD be possible.

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Jordan wrote:
So, who trusts Tim?


Not any more. This entry has shown Tim is actually pretty arrogant and single-minded. He assumes he has it all figured out and is doing the right thing, not stopping to consider that maybe leaving Jay tied up alone in a location being advertised to all of Youtube might be a bad idea. Plus the revelation that Tim's been hiding the #76 tape since as far back as Entry #62 is pretty telling. He was able to operate as though nothing was wrong and Jay should trust him all that time. For around a whole year.

I mean, I'm sure he's trying to do the right thing and wants what's best for Jay in the end but he's being really manipulative and presumptuous about it. Giving Jay his pills in #74 was shady, hiding the tape since a little after #69 would've been a bit of a grey area but this entry has made Tim go a way darker shade of grey than I'm used to him being. I trust him to want to do the right thing but now I fear his idea of the right thing can be far from correct, same with his methods.

All this kinda makes me wonder where they're going to go from here. I always assumed the series was going to end with Tim being in a really sympathetic light but now I'm not so sure. Like totheark said, trust is removed and forgotten. Everyone in the series has gone mad to varying degrees and none of them can be seen as a true hero.

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Just thoughts, various and sundry.

The gas cans in the garage could be for things like lawnmower, weed whacker, etc. I imagine he does that kind of thing himself.

Someone brought up a difference in the way that Jay and Tim film when driving. Jay puts the camera on the passenger seat aimed at himself, and Tim puts it on the dashboard aimed out the windshield. Now to me, the implications are obvious: Tim films to document what's happening, so aims the camera where the action is, or should be (and let's face it; Tim driving isn't that interesting, no matter how much we love him Smile). Jay's goal is to have a camera specifically on him at all times -just like Alex did. Even in season 2, Alex filmed himself. Even if he was using the chest cam; we see him prop it up on the passenger seat during the drive to Rosswood park, and put it on properly when he arrived.

This got me thinking about something else. In entry #75, after Jay gets in the car Tim tells him to take the camera because it would slide around on the dashboard. But he had it on the dash in #74, and it didn't move. Unless Tim was driving with one hand on the camera the whole time. And he didn't hesitate to put it on the dash in #77, even though it would've been more expedient to put it in the passenger seat at least until he was away from the house. So what gives? I suspect that even before #74 (the first time we see Jay freak out over the camera) Tim realized that camera had become a kind of security blanket for Jay. He also realized the subject was probably a sore spot for him. Telling Jay to grab it so it didn't move gave him a valid reason to engage in an obsessive habit without feeling demeaned.

Which leads to a question several other people have asked: why did Tim refuse Jay's pleas and take the camera with him? I can think of two reasons. 1) Tim saw the similarities between Jay and Alex, and tried to break a bad habit before it lead to even worse ones. We know he doesn't mind taking matters into his own hands if he thinks he knows what's best, so this is possible. Or 2) Since it's now common knowledge that Tim's willing to lie about things if he thinks he's justified, he took the camera in order to prove events happened the way he said they did. Although since he apparently does know at least some basic video editing, his claims will probably still be in doubt (especially in certain places, if you know what I mean Wink ).

And on a much lighter note, seeing a guitar case in Tim's house reminded me that in #19 Jay had one, too. That lead to mental image of Tim coming home to find Jay squirmed free of his bonds, sitting on the couch and playing Tim's guitar.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
Just thoughts, various and sundry.

The gas cans in the garage could be for things like lawnmower, weed whacker, etc. I imagine he does that kind of thing himself.

Someone brought up a difference in the way that Jay and Tim film when driving. Jay puts the camera on the passenger seat aimed at himself, and Tim puts it on the dashboard aimed out the windshield. Now to me, the implications are obvious: Tim films to document what's happening, so aims the camera where the action is, or should be (and let's face it; Tim driving isn't that interesting, no matter how much we love him Smile). Jay's goal is to have a camera specifically on him at all times -just like Alex did. Even in season 2, Alex filmed himself. Even if he was using the chest cam; we see him prop it up on the passenger seat during the drive to Rosswood park, and put it on properly when he arrived.

This got me thinking about something else. In entry #75, after Jay gets in the car Tim tells him to take the camera because it would slide around on the dashboard. But he had it on the dash in #74, and it didn't move. Unless Tim was driving with one hand on the camera the whole time. And he didn't hesitate to put it on the dash in #77, even though it would've been more expedient to put it in the passenger seat at least until he was away from the house. So what gives? I suspect that even before #74 (the first time we see Jay freak out over the camera) Tim realized that camera had become a kind of security blanket for Jay. He also realized the subject was probably a sore spot for him. Telling Jay to grab it so it didn't move gave him a valid reason to engage in an obsessive habit without feeling demeaned.

Which leads to a question several other people have asked: why did Tim refuse Jay's pleas and take the camera with him? I can think of two reasons. 1) Tim saw the similarities between Jay and Alex, and tried to break a bad habit before it lead to even worse ones. We know he doesn't mind taking matters into his own hands if he thinks he knows what's best, so this is possible. Or 2) Since it's now common knowledge that Tim's willing to lie about things if he thinks he's justified, he took the camera in order to prove events happened the way he said they did. Although since he apparently does know at least some basic video editing, his claims will probably still be in doubt (especially in certain places, if you know what I mean Wink ).

And on a much lighter note, seeing a guitar case in Tim's house reminded me that in #19 Jay had one, too. That lead to mental image of Tim coming home to find Jay squirmed free of his bonds, sitting on the couch and playing Tim's guitar.


you are analyzing things wayyyyy too in depth for what the series is

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But that's half the fun! Don't you read these forums?

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Amethyst.64 wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
I always basically assumed Tim (well, Masky more specifically) burned down Jay's apartment. Granted, I think Masky needs someone telling him what to do for him to be of any use, so I'm guessing TTA instructed him to do so or "trained" him to... It doesn't seem like Masky makes any kind of complicated decisions by himself.


I still think that Masky was trying to fake Jays death by burning down his apartment.
As for the rest of your theory, it's certainly very interesting, but I don't understand why Alex/Amy would feel the need to go to the effort of changing the time-stamp on #26.

My thoughts are that Jay ran, Masky burned his apartment, then he quit. Personally I think #26 was engineered by Alex (and possibly Amy) to get JAy to reveal his location and keep going.


26 can't have been engineered to get Jay to reveal his location because it was given to him at his location while he was already on the run. Someone must have already been following him the whole time.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
But that's half the fun! Don't you read these forums?


Thats actually a neat bit of character analysis. Jay is slowly following the habits in which Alex has developed. Without realizing it, Jay is becoming what Alex has turned into (probably explains Jay's current state too). Who knows how much footage there is of just Jay doing... whatever. I also like that Tim is trying to redeem himself. Wish Jay was more clear minded to see that it is what he's doing right now. Rooting for Tim right now, but I somehow get a gut feeling that things are gonna end very badly for him in the next entry.
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Marble Hornets wrote:
SilentMedusa wrote:
Just thoughts, various and sundry.

The gas cans in the garage could be for things like lawnmower, weed whacker, etc. I imagine he does that kind of thing himself.

Someone brought up a difference in the way that Jay and Tim film when driving. Jay puts the camera on the passenger seat aimed at himself, and Tim puts it on the dashboard aimed out the windshield. Now to me, the implications are obvious: Tim films to document what's happening, so aims the camera where the action is, or should be (and let's face it; Tim driving isn't that interesting, no matter how much we love him Smile). Jay's goal is to have a camera specifically on him at all times -just like Alex did. Even in season 2, Alex filmed himself. Even if he was using the chest cam; we see him prop it up on the passenger seat during the drive to Rosswood park, and put it on properly when he arrived.

(cut for length)

And on a much lighter note, seeing a guitar case in Tim's house reminded me that in #19 Jay had one, too. That lead to mental image of Tim coming home to find Jay squirmed free of his bonds, sitting on the couch and playing Tim's guitar.


you are analyzing things wayyyyy too in depth for what the series is


Strange to hear that coming from you! I suppose the "point" or idea of an ARG could be up for debate for a lot of people, but one of its indisputable facts is that the methods of storytelling given in ARG's leaves almost everything to the audiences imagination. The videos give you the hints which may or may not lead you down a rabbit hole, but the point is you've got to figure it out all for yourself, or at least collaboratively.

Back on topic, and perhaps this too is a little too involved, but leaving Jay tied up like that made me wonder a few things:
1) Would Jay survive? The distortion arguably comes from Jay as most people seem to be agreeing on, but regardless, it leaves him very much open to an attack by The Operator, to which he'd be completely helpless against.
2) Again on survival, even if TO doesn't come, how long until his unstable mind jumps to a ridiculous but futile solution? I can see the poor guy starving to death in there because every other attempt at escape failed.

I suppose there isn't any reason to trust Tim anymore, but I can't help that he's right for doing what he did. He's one of the few level-headed people left in this, Jay is slowly going completely crazy, TTA lost it long ago, Hoody doesn't demonstrate much semblance of sanity either (i mean in real life, outside his TTA videos), and Alex? Who knows. Point is Tim is trying to juggle all this shit and put an end to it, because this 3 year string of events has destroyed a number of lives. I think Tim may end up doing what's right, even if we don't agree or like it.

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Sha Noran wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
I always basically assumed Tim (well, Masky more specifically) burned down Jay's apartment. Granted, I think Masky needs someone telling him what to do for him to be of any use, so I'm guessing TTA instructed him to do so or "trained" him to... It doesn't seem like Masky makes any kind of complicated decisions by himself.


I still think that Masky was trying to fake Jays death by burning down his apartment.
As for the rest of your theory, it's certainly very interesting, but I don't understand why Alex/Amy would feel the need to go to the effort of changing the time-stamp on #26.

My thoughts are that Jay ran, Masky burned his apartment, then he quit. Personally I think #26 was engineered by Alex (and possibly Amy) to get JAy to reveal his location and keep going.


26 can't have been engineered to get Jay to reveal his location because it was given to him at his location while he was already on the run. Someone must have already been following him the whole time.


You are correct, I'd forgotten about that, in that case, as I've seen a few people speculate, maybe it was a setup to get jay to cooperate.
I don't find it very likely that Alex delivered the tape himself, as it don't see any reason he would leave it at the door rather than speak to Jay in person.

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Amethyst.64 wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
I always basically assumed Tim (well, Masky more specifically) burned down Jay's apartment. Granted, I think Masky needs someone telling him what to do for him to be of any use, so I'm guessing TTA instructed him to do so or "trained" him to... It doesn't seem like Masky makes any kind of complicated decisions by himself.


I still think that Masky was trying to fake Jays death by burning down his apartment.
As for the rest of your theory, it's certainly very interesting, but I don't understand why Alex/Amy would feel the need to go to the effort of changing the time-stamp on #26.

My thoughts are that Jay ran, Masky burned his apartment, then he quit. Personally I think #26 was engineered by Alex (and possibly Amy) to get JAy to reveal his location and keep going.


26 can't have been engineered to get Jay to reveal his location because it was given to him at his location while he was already on the run. Someone must have already been following him the whole time.


You are correct, I'd forgotten about that, in that case, as I've seen a few people speculate, maybe it was a setup to get jay to cooperate.
I don't find it very likely that Alex delivered the tape himself, as it don't see any reason he would leave it at the door rather than speak to Jay in person.
Maybe Jay was Tim bait or he wanted to move him somewhere less public.

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He didn't speak to Jay in person because it was blatant manipulation. He and Amy intended to draw him somewhere and eliminate him, but after delivering the tape they were slenderwiped of the entire few months prior back to the actual filming of 26. This caused Amy to run off, insane, and be more along the lines of the Hoody we know today and Alex to seek Jay's help in finding Amy because the last thing he remembers is the contents of 26. It's not really that complicated of a theory.

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Sha Noran wrote:
He didn't speak to Jay in person because it was blatant manipulation. He and Amy intended to draw him somewhere and eliminate him, but after delivering the tape they were slenderwiped of the entire few months prior back to the actual filming of 26. This caused Amy to run off, insane, and be more along the lines of the Hoody we know today and Alex to seek Jay's help in finding Amy because the last thing he remembers is the contents of 26. It's not really that complicated of a theory.


Doesn't this rely on Alex/Amy changing the dates on the tape? Which, I've said before, I really can't see the point in them doing.

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