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Billy Brown
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SteamPunkV wrote:
From another Tweet to (I think) wilh1206

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That question has already been answered. 7 - 6 pages and 1 letter.


So a) we are missing a piece and
b) I feel like I've been put on the naughty step but don't know why Raspberry


It's odd. He posted the tweet you quoted which would indicate that we are still waiting to see one piece but his next tweet was a reply to Balmoth that said:

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All pieces have now been found.


That seems contradictory to me so hopefully we'll have clarification soon. I've emailed to ask.

I also can't shake the feeling that there could be more than meets the eye to the letter you received (although I can't for the life of me see what it could be). It seems so odd that The Servant would send a letter to one of us that says much the same as the email that we all received.

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According to the servant, all the prolog points to is the nature of the portals and the date they are to open so we need to keep the focus here but we are missing a piece of the puzzle so I feel there isn't much we can do until that piece surfaces....

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well on the twitter they just asked wilh to email the maths working suggesting the maths is perhaps wrong.


Master Of Twelve ‏@MasterOfTwelve 4m
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@axlwilh It is simply an index to be drawn upon later. I am intrigued by your mathematics - perhaps you could e-mail me your workings?


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Billy Brown
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The Servant has also clarified that we are indeed missing a page from the Duodecad but that it's perhaps not immediately important.

Tweet to axlwilh:

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I apologise - I suffer from morning haze like everyone else. 1 more piece is yet to be discovered - but I am not sure it will help.


Email reply to me:

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It is I who must apologise.

Not all has been shared - you are missing one piece. But I feel that is a piece of larger significance - it doesn't seem to have much to do with the prologue itself.

I have seen your workings for 'a ruse', and I must say that I myself am convinced. I am not sure that the Maths has been fully accounted for though - my working has led to a different result.


So as mrshomersimpson says, it seems like we're pretty much there but that we need to demonstrate that we understood the maths correctly.

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Just got this email.
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4 of diamonds

Have you checked your mail recently?


Looks like i may be the part everyone is waiting for

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Wow, got sick for a few days, and on coming back it seems the stuff in the prologe seems pretty much solved. Nice

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zerovin wrote:
Wow, got sick for a few days, and on coming back it seems the stuff in the prologe seems pretty much solved. Nice


Glad to see you back and feeling better Smile

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Billy Brown
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Apologies for the length of this post but I've been having a few emails back and forth that clear up a couple of things.

I looked at Balmoth's post again and he mentioned that he used ROT -14 to get to the ultimate answer, with the -14 coming from the maths equations. However, The Servant mentioned that our maths is wrong.

Looking at it more closely it seems that ROT -14 isn't valid (the accepted range seems to be from -13 through to +13). So for our purposes, to arrive at the same answer we actually need to apply ROT +12.

I put this to The Servant and the indication is that using ROT +12 is something we were perhaps supposed to try automatically, given the significance of the number 12 overall so far.

The upshot is that those pages are separate from the maths page - the maths was never meant to be applied to this part of the puzzle and is something we need to keep working on.

Billy Brown wrote:
Just so I'm clear: am I right in saying that you feel we have found the correct answer in that section of The Duodecad (A-R-U-S-E) but that we have arrived at it the wrong way (incorrect workings on the maths equations)?


The Servant wrote:
That is my belief. My own mathematics has worked out differently.


Billy Brown wrote:
I've just been looking at the working for the 'letters' side of the puzzle and it seems that to get from:

'FTQ YUEEUZS XQFFQDE MDQ M DGEQ'

...to:

'THE MISSING LETTERS ARE A RUSE'

...we need to apply ROT +12 rather than -14, which was earlier stated. Do you make the answer to the maths equation '12' by any chance? I appreciate we may need to show our working on the maths side of things but if I'm right then it might help us along a little.


The Servant wrote:
I do not.

But ROT +12 sounds like a sensible idea, given the nature of what we know already.

Must we use the Maths for this at all?


Billy Brown wrote:
Well, you have a fair point given that the number 12 has been so significant for us already. In that case, is it your feeling that the Maths page has no bearing on the pages we were previously linking it with? That it is something to be considered separately?


The Servant wrote:
It is certainly possible.


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So, I reworked the math bits from the beginning as they were on the pages that we see. (Not making any assumptions about the 'missing dash')

I found that c1 = 3, c2 = 18 and c3 = pi/2 which would make C = 28

On the second page, I got that the short leg of the triangle would be -6 and thus V = -12.

However adding these two would be 28 - 12 = 16... which still isn't the answer we're looking for.

I'm about to email The Servant and see what he says about all of this and see if he can say where the 'missing dash' was supposed to go.
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Billy Brown
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wilh1206 wrote:
So, I reworked the math bits from the beginning as they were on the pages that we see. (Not making any assumptions about the 'missing dash')

I found that c1 = 3, c2 = 18 and c3 = pi/2 which would make C = 28

On the second page, I got that the short leg of the triangle would be -6 and thus V = -12.

However adding these two would be 28 - 12 = 16... which still isn't the answer we're looking for.

I'm about to email The Servant and see what he says about all of this and see if he can say where the 'missing dash' was supposed to go.


I think the point The Servant was making to me earlier was that the maths problems are completely separate from the word puzzles - we don't need to apply the answers to the other pages (or at least the pages we originally thought).

So your workings could well be right. I'm looking forward to seeing the reply from The Servant.

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Howdy! I finally got confirmation yesterday that I've officially been assigned the 5 of Spades!

"Start at the poles" ... "poles" anagrams to SLOPE, which could be relevant to the maths and figures?

Also... I'm sure this is silly. But has anyone looked for hidden writing on their physical pages? Like UV ink or similar?

Edited to add: I noticed the map is of the ilk that has the Prime Meridian going through Paris instead of Greenwich.

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Welcome, 5 of Spades! It's great to have you with us.

Good thought on the "poles" anagram. I am guessing we are going to need more information to truly figure out what could be meant by some of these statements. For instance, what is supposed to go in the 5 underscores after "Start at the poles:"?

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Some correspondence with The Servant about the math pages. He replied to the email I sent explaining my work.

The Servant wrote:
Thank you for this.

I arrived at the same answer for Act 1 - I am not sure what 3 of clubs did to arrive at -26, but I am certain that this is correct.

As for the dash, your original instincts were correct - it is the second derivative on Act 2. So it seems that you have the right numbers.

I am interested to note that you and your friends seem to have assumed the correct result is to find c + v - I struggle to see the reasoning behind that leap. Perhaps you could explain it to me?


I wrote:
Certainly there was nothing on the page that would suggest making that leap.. Personally I think that it was an attempt to make all of the pieces of the puzzle 'fit' together. I feel like they made that assumption because they wanted the answers to the math to be something more than stand-alone because the numbers by themselves don't seem to have any significance.
Maybe, you could illuminate this subject a bit?


The Servant wrote:
I do not know - just like you and your friends, I am merely seeking to solve the clues left for us by the Master to prevent evil from rising.

It just seemed like a leap to me.


So there's that.. We can now confirm that C = 28 and V = 12, both positive. As for what these numbers are to be used for, I guess we're still in the air.
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So there's that.. We can now confirm that C = 28 and V = 12, both positive. As for what these numbers are to be used for, I guess we're still in the air.


So where u need variables like C and V? With a quick google search I just found:

Quote:
n=C*v

n = Moles (mol)
c = Concentration (moldm to the power -3)
v = Volume (dm to the power 3)


Maybe C and V can be used in geography in some formula so we'd a connection with the map?

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