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aidansean
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Ztakk wrote:
To me it looked more like Jay shined his flashlight on the chair.


It's definitely Tim. At 10:29 you can see that the light source is from behind the pillar, and it would be impossible for Jay to make the light cast a shadow in that way.

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SilentMedusa
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 		I don't really have anything to add at the moment; I just wanted to say kudos to the people who predicted we'd see 79 South Road in Entry #79.

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Ztakk
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aidansean wrote:
Ztakk wrote:
To me it looked more like Jay shined his flashlight on the chair.


It's definitely Tim. At 10:29 you can see that the light source is from behind the pillar, and it would be impossible for Jay to make the light cast a shadow in that way.


Ok even at that, someone made a noise behind him and looked to see if he could see what caused it. After that Jay ran and as far as we can tell Tim didn't go after him, or couldn't find him. We have no idea where Tim is now.

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catgirl789
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Marble Hornets wrote:
As far as Jay breaking the window goes
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it's obviously just a way to explain the wait. they knew we'd be asking why he wouldn't break a window so they at least told us he's considering it. Not to mention it would probably make a lot of noise, and if it is indeed a trap, he'd get caught immediately.



It seems like everything was placed there for Tim, not Jay. Tim was the one who knew what building to go to and where to look. If it wasn't for Tim, Jay would have probably never found that clue. This begs the question of not only how did Tim know where to go, but why is Hoody sending him on an easter egg hunt rather than just telling him where to go from the beginning.

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I like this idea. I'm only on page nine so this may have been already said, but what if Hoody was there to lead Tim to a clue, much as he (that cough sounded pretty masculine) has done with Jay before. He could have showed up in front of Tim, led him to a clue as to where to go next and ran off again, where he was found by Jay. The physical exertion could explain the coughing fit that Hoody usually never has in front of our protagonists. If he showed himself to Tim as he was driving up then that might explain why Tim didn't have the camera as he just bolted after him immediately.

As for why the easter egg hunt? It's Hoody, since when has he/TTA not taken the most cryptic and convoluted route possible? Laughing

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thisistheend
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 		If Hoody really does have Alex hostage, why doesn't he just finish him?

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MDHDZN
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thisistheend wrote:
If Hoody really does have Alex hostage, why doesn't he just finish him?

Entry #67

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 		I've been wondering how exactly Hoody was able to take Alex hostage without provoking the Operator. I've heard the theory that the Operator will only show up when Alex is in mortal danger, but the whole idea that Hoody is fine as long as he doesn't pull a gun on Alex seems almost silly. So, one thing I considered is this: what if Alex has to actually be able to see Hoody for the Operator to show up? I know it seems odd, but there is definitely something supernatural about both Hoody and Masky. And one thing I noticed is that both have hung around locations often haunted by the Operator almost casually. They've only been in danger when Alex was involved. What if they have the ability to be "invisible" to the Operator? The only way they could be seen is with a pair of physical, ordinary eyes, which is what the Operator uses Alex for. Feel free to dismiss this as stupid, I don't think it's the case at this point, but I just felt like throwing an old theory of mine out there.

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Master of Octopi
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 		Long, speculative post ahead. Be forewarned.

thisistheend wrote:
If Hoody really does have Alex hostage, why doesn't he just finish him?


I think it's possible that Hoody needs Jay to confront Alex for some reason. It seems pretty likely to me that Alex has something to do with the Ark (either knowing where it is, knowing who has it, having it himself, or some other such thing (still don't think Alex is the Ark)) and that Jay is the one ToTheArk believes will lead him... heh, to the Ark. It could be that there is something special about Jay that makes him uniquely suited to this situation (perhaps Jay can survive in the Ark better than others, assuming the Ark actually is the Operator Dimension Dark World Body Disposal Place) though that would feel really off to me in this series. (It'd be too Chosen One/Unlikely Hero for me).

Anyway, Hoody could have been waiting for Jay to get over there and have his confrontation with Alex, but in the interim (because Jay decided to be thickheaded and choose that particular moment to stop trusting Tim, causing a delay of at least a few days) Alex escaped. Else I think it would be likely that Alex would still have been trussed up in that murder-y room.

Though now that I think about it, what purpose did Hoody have in taking those pictures of Alex? Why would he bother going through the hassle of tying him up, taking a bunch of pictures, uploading them onto a computer and printing them out (or developing them if they were taken with a film camera), just to tack them onto the wall of the room Alex was tied up in? (I'm assuming that was the room, anyway). They don't serve a purpose to me, except to leave behind as evidence to Jay that Alex was indeed held prisoner at one time. That's the kind of thing you do to collect ransom, not interrogate someone.

So here's what I think is happening:

Hoody successfully captures Alex after his appearance in Tim's house. Hoody leaves the note in the attic for Jay and Tim, knowing that the two of them would check there after Alex came down from there in the entry before that. Hoody brings Alex to the school for some reason. He ties him up, takes a bunch of pictures, and waits. Jay and Tim check out the house and have their fracas. Hoody waits further, knowing that Jay will watch the tape. Once Jay uploads it, Hoody posts "File" (this is taking the not-so-unlikely leap that Hoody is or is part of ToTheArk), confirming that he did indeed want Jay to watch the tape, and letting him know that they or he will have to go "where there is no light." Hoody watches the channel while Jay confronts Tim (likely facepalming at his ineptitude).

Here is where the real conjecture starts:
Hoody takes whatever precautions are necessary (likely rendering him unconscious) and moves Alex, letting him go somewhere on campus, but still contained in a predictable place (Benedict Hall). Why he chose Benedict Hall is fodder for speculation; I think that the Ark is either contained or accessible there, but there could be other reasons. Then he goes back to that room and papers the wall with the photos of Alex, and leaves the note.

Then, with Alex still incapacitated, Hoody goes and gives Jay the knife, effectively freeing him. Then he hightails it back to the school, because Tim is already on the way. Once he gets there, he finds Tim, and the two have a little dust-up, during which Hoody snags the camera Tim yanked from Jay. Hoody leaves some kind of a trail of breadcrumbs to the room for Tim to follow, after he wakes up from whatever Hoody did to him. Hoody then sees Jay from the window, and panics a little, running, still worn out and weakened from his confrontation with Tim. He's stopped by a coughing fit, during which Jay catches up with him. Not ready to reveal himself, or otherwise aggressive for his own reasons, Hoody whacks Jay and takes off, leading him to a staircase and setting up the view from the window, where it's possible to see Tim running back to his car to grab the chest camera, which is where his path intersects with Jay's. Jay follows Tim, who is following the breadcrumbs from Hoody, culminating in Jay's discovery of the room and Hoody's note. Hoody then waits, watching for Jay to move. I believe that Hoody believes that Alex is going to head for the Ark, and he's betting that Jay will find him and follow him, so that the two of them will eventually have their long-awaited confrontation. While the two of them are distracted with beating each other as severely as possible (one can only hope for that, and also hope that Jay doesn't prove as totally useless in a fight as he has in the past), Hoody will run in and snag the Ark (or enter it, or something). Hopefully, for Hoody's sake, the Operator will be too busy protecting Alex from Jay's furious pugilism to interfere with Hoody's plan.

All of this, as I said, is purely speculation and my own musings (incorporating the contributions of others on this site, of course, for which I am grateful, though there are too many sources and instances of groupthink to credit appropriately) on what Hoody' plans are. It would be really impressive on Hoody's part if even half of this is true, though I doubt most of it will end up being this way. Still, a big chunk of this makes sense in my head, though I rarely seem to be right in this series, and I'm sure others will poke many, many holes in this. Either way, we likely won't have long to wait for the end.

Too Long;Didn't Read: Hoody is pulling a bunch of strings at once, and is damned good at it.

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runner19x1
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 		@master of octopi
you made me think of something with your speculative post, hoody does not own a car from what we have seen in the entry with Tims house. He walked all the way there, and before anyone says he teleported away... well why the hell did he not teleport to Tims house the first time when he kidnapped alex?
So either he:
Is being driven by someone else who has a car
or
I think he must have found and stole Alex's car that night

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 		Personally, I think 1. Hoodie can't teleport, and he just went to a random room that Jay didn't check. Remember: there was many places to hide in the building. Also in Entry 73 we see him walking to Tim's house, so if he could teleport, he'd just teleport.

2. I think maybe Tim saw Hoody and ran at him without bothering with his camera but Hoody got away. He then ran up to where Jay saw him and he ran away... that's why he was coughing; he was so out of breath when Jay found him the second time.It's far fetched, but it does explain why Tim didn't bring his camera at first and why Hoody was so out of breath and coughing.

Also I think there is another totheark video on the way Smile

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philare8
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Sidenote wrote:

Also I think there is another totheark video on the way Smile


Maybe but I hope not. There is no in game reason that I can think of to have one except to say "Jay get the eff over here and break a window!" I think we will get #80 next starting with either text by Jay saying "Whelp see no other choice gonna break a window" or by Jay seeing Hoody or Tim finding a way into the building and following them.

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Master of Octopi
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 		Re: @master of octopi
runner19x1 wrote:
you made me think of something with your speculative post, hoody does not own a car from what we have seen in the entry with Tims house. He walked all the way there, and before anyone says he teleported away... well why the hell did he not teleport to Tims house the first time when he kidnapped alex?
So either he:
Is being driven by someone else who has a car
or
I think he must have found and stole Alex's car that night


I've always pictured Hoody riding a motorcycle.

In seriousness, though, I've been wondering for a few entries if there might be more than one Hoody. People speculated that ToTheArk has been multiple people, so why not more than one person wearing a mask and a hood? It'd make chase scenes like that one easier to pull off, it would explain how he seems to move so quickly. Maybe Brian found Amy and the two teamed up; one freed Jay while the other stayed with Alex. I think it'd be pretty cool, if hard to explain, and a good way to let the people in the Brian and Amy camps both be right.

Failing that, I have no trouble believing that Hoody has someone else working for or with him.

Or, you know, he has a phone and can call a cab.

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 		Re: @master of octopi
runner19x1 wrote:

I think he must have found and stole Alex's car that night


That's probably a safe theory. I've wondered what happened to Alex's car. Not to mention his apartment that we saw in Season 2.

On another note, after the events of Entry 76, Alex was pretty much MIA up until he made a phone call to Jay in Entry 64. What do you guys think he was doing during that time? Throughout Season 2 is understandable, given that Jay was only posting stuff that had already been recorded, and may have been in another state. But early Season 3? Jay was broadcasting his location, which was a place Alex knew how to get to. What Alex being punished in the Ark for his failure, or what?

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 		Re: @master of octopi
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On another note, after the events of Entry 76, Alex was pretty much MIA up until he made a phone call to Jay in Entry 64. What do you guys think he was doing during that time? Throughout Season 2 is understandable, given that Jay was only posting stuff that had already been recorded, and may have been in another state. But early Season 3? Jay was broadcasting his location, which was a place Alex knew how to get to. What Alex being punished in the Ark for his failure, or what?


My guess is that he was calculating how to trap Jay and Tim and dispose of them properly. Or perhaps he had it all planned out and just procrastinated for ages which Season 2 spotlighted. If he was trying to plan out how to take care of them it'd be a method of either luring them with an Entry #26 type tape (which Tim would see through as a trap but Jay wouldn't) or ambushing them while they move which would involve said plan to keep changing to accommodate depending on the location.

Regardless, I think Alex has been busy.

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 		Re: @master of octopi
Cyan507 wrote:
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On another note, after the events of Entry 76, Alex was pretty much MIA up until he made a phone call to Jay in Entry 64. What do you guys think he was doing during that time? Throughout Season 2 is understandable, given that Jay was only posting stuff that had already been recorded, and may have been in another state. But early Season 3? Jay was broadcasting his location, which was a place Alex knew how to get to. What Alex being punished in the Ark for his failure, or what?


My guess is that he was calculating how to trap Jay and Tim and dispose of them properly. Or perhaps he had it all planned out and just procrastinated for ages which Season 2 spotlighted. If he was trying to plan out how to take care of them it'd be a method of either luring them with an Entry #26 type tape (which Tim would see through as a trap but Jay wouldn't) or ambushing them while they move which would involve said plan to keep changing to accommodate depending on the location.

Regardless, I think Alex has been busy.

If Alex has been procrastinating for so long, then that would've given him a long time for him to plan a trap for Jay and or Tim, Which is why Hoody probably Kidnapped Alex.
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