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[og1764]

I apologise in advance... but everyone was thinking this...

[Malckeor]

On the debate about the shoes - To me, that was obviously Alex. He walked in and showed Jay's bloody handprint for US to see, as a way of saying "This is what's become of your hero; this is what happens when you try to cross me." or something like that. Tim later walked in and found Jay's camera after Alex had left, and Hoody was there to pay his respects or some shit.

I'm depressed...

[ReynardtaFox]

My initial reaction:

Welcome back, Season 1 Operator! We missed you!

Now it's time for me to go and read the last 14 pages of this thread while I continue to hug myself and rock back and forth trembling.

[aidansean]

(Having not read many posts yet.) Wow. What an entry. At first I thought "Ooh, this is scary." Then I thought "Wait, Jay must have survived to have uploaded this. Not scary anymore, but still interesting." Then "OMG WTF BBQ! NOOOOO!" I, like everyone else, did not expect that.

The distortion at 3:53 looks like the distortion totheark put into the videos Signal and Broadcast. So totheark has seen footage that has been this close to the operator. Interesting.

Possible plot hole: How did Tim know to come back? Was he going to his car to get something? Did he run off, go home, watch the youtube account and realise that Jay was watching him? If that's the case, was Hoody waiting around all that time?

[pootis]

Now we know that jay is "where there is no light" place. So the operator brings likes to his dimension. But who is hoody? Seth or Brian?

[device]

I think it's still quite possible for Hoody to b Jay.

It certainly would explain a few things that annoyed me previously... like how did Hoody always know where Jay was? How did he manage to film him at the antique store, and the parking lot where Jay and Tim had their argument, unless he somehow knew long in advance (since he didn't have a car) where they were going to be? Unless he hiding in Jay's trunk all the time.

Also, that's how Hoody was able to use Jay's twitter and youtube account. He was never "hacked".

I don't think 68 "proves" it wasn't Jay. Jay could have gotten older while trapped... we don't know how long he's been in the ark. Or how long he's been back, either... Maybe Hoody and Alex have had run-ins already, and Alex already knows who he is, and is trying to kill "current Jay" now to stop him from coming back... who knows? The fun is waiting and finding out.

Also, the transition from day to night when Tim finds the camera and leaves the building... it has happened a few times before in the series, why couldn't it be the operator screwing up time again?

[pinkhead21]

[ArkyMcArkArk]

Haha, my little Jay==Hoody comment sure got a lot of people angry, didn't it? Well let's see if I can try to explain myself a bit.

First off, Entry #68. Yes, you folks are right, Alex does see Hoody's face in that entry and yet shows no sign of alarm or surprise. But all this means is that regardless of who Hoody is, Alex knew who they were before Entry #68. Additionally, regardless of who Hoody is, Alex didn't come there to deal with them. As soon as he rushes in, all he cares about is finding out where Tim and Jay went. Obviously folks are going "But he would have had Jay right there! Why would he ask about past-Jay?" Because past-Jay is the one that he wants. Regardless of who Hoody is, Alex doesn't want them. He wants past-Jay.

I know it's fun to think about Alex as some kind of clever mastermind, but I really don't think that's the case. I think he's just a loony. Look at the justifications he shouts at Jay in Entry #52. He said he's going to kill Jay because he essentially went against his express wishes and showed the tapes to the world. Whether or not that's true, he clearly has some kind of desire to kill Jay, based on revenge or whatever. If he knows that he WILL kill past Jay, and that's how we get Hoody. Why would he want to kill Hoody? In a lot of ways, Hoody is the proof that his revenge/murder wishes come true.

Additionally, there's the fun bits that other folks have pointed out, how TTA repeatedly mentioned how Jay would leave [them] to the Ark. This is especially funny if the Ark is where Jay becomes TTA. There's also other little clever turns that I think the creators would like. For example, the text at the beginning of Entry #68 that specifies "Someone other than me uploaded this-". Bit funny. It also goes a long way to explain why TTA can "hack" Jay's twitter and youtube accounts with such ease.

The final bit here is that some folks are proposing that TTA is a multi-part being of folks trapped in the Operator's dark world, and that they express their wills onto reality in the form of tweets and videos. Maybe? But it seems unlikely to me, especially since we saw good old Bruce dead as a doornail when Tim stepped into Op's house. If stepping into Op's house/Ark would make Jay suddenly all better and ready to be a member of TTA, wouldn't the same happen to Bruce?

Not saying my theory will happen, just saying it's still a possibility.

[Osttle]

[ArkyMcArkArk]

[PortableMuskrat]

[Beidah]

Hoody isn't Jay. Besides for "missing time", there hasn't been any evidence of time travel. Nothing in this video suggests that Hoody is Jay, quite the opposite. Why would Jay lead Jay into a trap where Jay gets shot and nabbed, then come and taunt Tim about it?

[PortableMuskrat]

[Beidah]

But why would he be trying to create a stable time loop when he could try and fix what went wrong? Instead of making everything worse for everyone and repeating mistakes he saw himself do (Hoody was not please about Jessica getting abducted by The Operator), why hasn't he try to change it and make things better?

[ArkyMcArkArk]