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[VIDEO] Entry #80
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Ascalondion
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TheOperator wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
- Why Benedict Hall? I mean, if it was a setup by Alex or Hoody...it could have been done way easier to kill Jay. For example...to kill him when he was captivated in Tim's house, rather than luring him to Benedict Hall...


If it was set up by Alex, it was to put Hoody back on the radar as a major threat. After #67, Jay and Tim probably stopped seeing Hoody as dangerous, just way too mysterious. If it was set up by Hoody, the intention probably wasn't to kill Jay, it was to lure out Alex and/or to try to get Jay/Tim to capture him.


While I do not agree with the setup thesis (I think that Tim's "That was not supposed to happen" applies very general to the situation – maybe worth a debate) I think you point out two important points of focus:

a) What was in it for Alex?
b) What was in it for Hoody?

We don't know a whole lot about the intentions of both of them, only that they seem to work against each other. This is maybe the only stable thing about Hoody/Masky/TTA: They oppose Alex.
So if we don't assume a massive character twist has happened, then it is safe to say that Hoody didn't want anything that Alex did to happen. Therefore, he probably didn't want Alex to shoot Jay. (Personally, I feel like the way Hoody reveals himself to Tim looks a bit guilty.)
However this rest on the assumption that Hoody actions were aimed to hinder Alex in whatever he's doing and consistent in that throughout the series.

That leaves open: Why did Hoody wanted Jay to be present at Benedict Hall, when he knew that Alex was creeping around there with a gun? The to best answers seem to be
1) Because, after all, Hoody doesn't care so much about Alex, but more about something else (say, the ark), and Jay confronting Alex was important towards that.
2) He thought that, together with Jay, he could take out Alex. Didn't work. To bet on Jay in such a manner seems to be ill-rationed in the first place.
3) Hoody didn't know/didn't plan for Alex to creep around with a gun. Something happened prior to #80, which resulted in Alex being free, armed and Hoody nowhere near to be found/out of commission. (He did not seem to do well in #79) Maybe something involving Tim?

So, for the intentions of Alex, I don't know. I tried to recollect what I know of Alex's doing lately, and I'm not sure. When I checked the timeline graphic in the other thread, I came up with the following:
The last times Alex appear chronologically:
- Alex tries to shoot Jay and Jessica (shown in #52)
- Alex takes the gun from Jessica body (shown in #76)
- Alex tells Jay to leave the tunnel (shown in #64)
- Alex get's captured by Hoody, beaten up by Tim, and rescued by TO (shown in #67)
- Alex confronts Hoody (shown in #68 )
- Alex is in Tim's attic (shown in #73)
- Alex shoots Jay (shown in #80)

So...I begin to question my own memories...when was it established that Alex was captured by someone (Hoody)? Were the photos from #79 made during the events in #67? Am I missing something?

ps. thumbs up for AbyssalRook, like those ideas.

/edited an unwanted smiley

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Gante
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 		We can definitely add "extendable limbs" to the Operator's list of powers.

Since the "future self" plot twist has already been done elsewhere, I doubt Trosephim are going to do it here. They've always been trailblazers, not followers, and they've always done what we didn't expect.

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 		I haven't read the whole thread, but this entry supports my long time theory that Hoody is in it for Hoody. He wants the Operator's power for himself, and was using Jay to get close enough to Alex to get it. Alex shot Jay, possibly thinking to thwart his hooded nemesis. Bout Damn time. Hoody Led Tim away from the site to somewhere more safe since Alex may have still been prowling the area. Tim will kill/reveal Hoody's true intentions and either help him or confront him about his goals.

Alex is the main antagonist. The operator took Jay, but to finish him? Or to save him?

EDIT TO ADD: Benedict Hall to signify that Hoody is a turncoat? One of the most famous turncoats in history was Benedict Arnold.

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Sha Noran
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Paige! wrote:
I only watched the entry one time so far (fantastic entry, if I do say), but really: how did Tim know to go in there and grab Jay's camera (which Alex obviously just left once turning it off)? Was he aware that Jay had been watching him this whole time?


I assumed he was just returning later that night to further investigate what had happened after he made a run for it (when Jay saw him bolt at the start of the Entry). He randomly found the camera and the bloody hand print, and immediately watched the footage, after seeing Jay's fate he presses stop, then record, and searches for Jay.

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Sha Noran wrote:
Paige! wrote:
I only watched the entry one time so far (fantastic entry, if I do say), but really: how did Tim know to go in there and grab Jay's camera (which Alex obviously just left once turning it off)? Was he aware that Jay had been watching him this whole time?


I assumed he was just returning later that night to further investigate what had happened after he made a run for it (when Jay saw him bolt at the start of the Entry). He randomly found the camera and the bloody hand print, and immediately watched the footage, after seeing Jay's fate he presses stop, then record, and searches for Jay.
Or, he heard a gunshot and came running. After all, the lighting is about the same when Tim picks up the camera as it was when Jay dropped it. Meaning that the Operator advanced time on them again to make it dark. Or rather absorbed the light.

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Ascalondion
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paladin181 wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
Paige! wrote:
I only watched the entry one time so far (fantastic entry, if I do say), but really: how did Tim know to go in there and grab Jay's camera (which Alex obviously just left once turning it off)? Was he aware that Jay had been watching him this whole time?


I assumed he was just returning later that night to further investigate what had happened after he made a run for it (when Jay saw him bolt at the start of the Entry). He randomly found the camera and the bloody hand print, and immediately watched the footage, after seeing Jay's fate he presses stop, then record, and searches for Jay.
Or, he heard a gunshot and came running. After all, the lighting is about the same when Tim picks up the camera as it was when Jay dropped it. Meaning that the Operator advanced time on them again to make it dark. Or rather absorbed the light.


Nope, lighting's the same when Alex picks up the camera and stops it. When Tim restarts the camera, it is already dark.

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AbyssalRook
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paladin181 wrote:
Sha Noran wrote:
Paige! wrote:
I only watched the entry one time so far (fantastic entry, if I do say), but really: how did Tim know to go in there and grab Jay's camera (which Alex obviously just left once turning it off)? Was he aware that Jay had been watching him this whole time?


I assumed he was just returning later that night to further investigate what had happened after he made a run for it (when Jay saw him bolt at the start of the Entry). He randomly found the camera and the bloody hand print, and immediately watched the footage, after seeing Jay's fate he presses stop, then record, and searches for Jay.
Or, he heard a gunshot and came running. After all, the lighting is about the same when Tim picks up the camera as it was when Jay dropped it. Meaning that the Operator advanced time on them again to make it dark. Or rather absorbed the light.


That's not the case at all. We see the sunlight clearly through a window when Jay drops his camera, and the lighting is completely different when we pick back up with Tim. The flashlight, when Jay was using it, barely made a difference, but Tim absolutely required it to see.

I suppose TO might have fast forwarded time again, but usually he does that before or during his appearance, not after he's gone. And Tim didn't seem bothered by it at all. I think Tim went there some time later to continue investigating. If he'd heard the gunshot he'd have gotten back before Alex managed to break down the door.

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 		What an entry!
I don't know if jay is dead, but I'm pretty sure he is, just because he was the protagonist doesn't mean he will survive.
It would have been 100x worse if Tim died :O Tim has definitely been the smarter guy the past 5 entries, but Jay just wouldn't listen, and it costed him big (tim)e!
At least Tim is back as the protagonist.

#ExtraSeasonForTim
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ThinSuit wrote:
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So so true!

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Sidenote wrote:
What an entry!
I don't know if jay is dead, but I'm pretty sure he is, just because he was the protagonist doesn't mean he will survive.
It would have been 100x worse if Tim died :O Tim has definitely been the smarter guy the past 5 entries, but Jay just wouldn't listen, and it costed him big (tim)e!
At least Tim is back as the protagonist.

#ExtraSeasonForTim


How was Jay supposed to listen when Tim never told him anything? He just kept secrets, told lies, and withheld information. It's pretty clear from the past two entries that Tim knows a lot more about Hoodie than he's let on. And if Tim is so smart, how could he not realize that keeping secrets from a paranoid person was a good idea? How could such a "smart" person think leaving Jay tied up alone on the floor with the front door unlocked was a good idea? Jay is a fucking genius compared to Tim.

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 		Don't know if this has already been mentioned, but if Jessica has died when she got operated, so did Jay. Otherwise, they could have been teleported to slenderverse or something like this.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
What an entry!
I don't know if jay is dead, but I'm pretty sure he is, just because he was the protagonist doesn't mean he will survive.
It would have been 100x worse if Tim died :O Tim has definitely been the smarter guy the past 5 entries, but Jay just wouldn't listen, and it costed him big (tim)e!
At least Tim is back as the protagonist.

#ExtraSeasonForTim


How was Jay supposed to listen when Tim never told him anything? He just kept secrets, told lies, and withheld information. It's pretty clear from the past two entries that Tim knows a lot more about Hoodie than he's let on. And if Tim is so smart, how could he not realize that keeping secrets from a paranoid person was a good idea? How could such a "smart" person think leaving Jay tied up alone on the floor with the front door unlocked was a good idea? Jay is a fucking genius compared to Tim.


Well, that genius just got himself shot. Tim kept secrets because he knew that it would make Jay go crazy. Also remember: Jay tried to stab Tim, which I think is worse than tying him up. If Tim knew so much about Hoody, he knew that Hoody is not direct danger, but rather leads someone to danger. Also, Jay started all of this, we knew Tim wanted to get on with his life but Jay kept filming everything and brought Tim into it. Tim kept Jay in the house so that the events of 80 could have been avoided, but Jay just didn't trust Tim, which, I'll admit is understandable, but I think Tim is the most trustworthy at this point.

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 		Well, if Jay's been taken to the TO pocket dimension (aka the Ark, imo), which I think we'd all agree he has been, then its probably going to be really difficult to not drown in the entrance with a bullet in the belly.... I'm not gonna buy that Hoody is future Jay but this would explain TTA's fear of drowning and asking "are you drowning?". What an Entry, my mind is blown - reading through all the posts, then I'll post again.

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Buck_Fever wrote:
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Just an idea, could Jay have uploaded the recent Totheark video after he was taken by the Operator? "Am I the third?" could be evidence that this has happened twice before to different people.


Just a half baked theory but idk


I like this theory, Masky Being the First, Hoodie being the second, maybe we'll see jay running around with a creepy mask.

ArkyMcArkArk wrote:
Hoody is Jay from the future. Calling it now. Hoody has always been Jay, this entry made me even more sure.

We know the Operator and his effects can mess with time, I have no doubt it could push Jay from now to all the way back when we first saw Hoody, or even earlier to when the first TTA videos showed up. Everything Hoody has done has been to ensure his creation. And now Jay/Hoody knows Exactly what to do.



grrrrr.... FINE, FINE I CONCEDE. all this time i felt it was impossible since Jay and Hoody have been in th same room together, and it is not a hallucination because Tim has seen it aswell. But Time Paradoxes might explain this plot hole.

Now that i think abou it, the same logic could be used to justify Alex is Hoody, another seemingly impossible solution since Hoody has tried to kill Alex, but a time paradox also may explain this.

Don't get me wrong, i stick by it beine Brian (Due to the connection between Tim and Brian and Masky and Hoodie) but Hoody being Jay is still worth a shot i guess.

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 		The Hoody is Jay theory is fun, but is quickly debunked when you think of hoody in season 2...it really just doesn't add up.

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