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Craig Digsby
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A lot of people have commented on the fact that Alex said nothing. Well, he's learned his lesson. Remember the last times he talked to people while holding them at gunpoint? In #52, he gave Masky just enough time to intervene. In #76, Jessica managed to get the upper hand on him. So either he just wanted to seem menacing, or he learned his lesson from last time. He probably knew that Hoody would show up or something if he took the time to say something. The only appropiate thing to say would be, "BOOM MOTHERFUCKER" but in a series like this, it won't happen.
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I'm actually starting to hope that the time travel Jay thing is real because I love time travel and paradoxes.

I also love the idea you brought up about time paradoxes causing black outs. As we have seen pretty regularly the blackouts happened whenever Masky/Hoody were around or doing something. (While this can easily be explained by TO mind wiping people, why does it have to be so simple?) If Jay went back in time, maybe not as "Jay" But as masked state Jay "Hoody" and recruited Timasky to help fix things. So in season 1, we all thought Jay started blacking out because TO started to show up. But what if it was because Tim started changing things? And The later in the series we get, the more Jay forgets because the more Hoody changes things. This is all very complicated and would be very hard to explain in one entry unless a character started giving physics lessons. So it is probably unlikely that paradoxes cause blackouts.

HOWEVER,
Future Jay = Hoody WOULD explain a few things.

1) How TTA ALWAYS knows what is going to happen, where to be, and how to get Jay to do what he wants.

2) "You will take me to the ARK" Hoody is Jay, so when Jay goes to the ARK Hoody does too and is practically born there. It may not have been a demand so much as a prophecy.

3)
YOU CAUSED THIS - Alex started all of this
YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN - Obviously
HE WILL LEAD ME TO YOU - He here could be Hoody saying that Past Hoody (at least for present Hoody) will lead present Hoody, (who was at the time Present Jay) to Alex. Or could be saying TIM will lead ME(Jay) to YOU(Alex) Where Jay will then be shot by Alex and become TTA
LEAD ME TO DEATH - Obviously. Jay was just shot in this entry. TTA could have meant this.
LEAD ME TO THE ARK. - Jay was snatched by TO. Brought to the ARK. Went back in time. Became Hoody.(Which may be a way to travel back in time and is located in TO's world. Ark can simply refer to a vessel of transportation.)

4. TTA knows all of Jays passwords. No matter how many times he changes them.

5. TTA has footage that Jay and Alex should have had.

6. TTA ALWAYS know where they are and are going to be. Not just "Hey I found you" but "Hey I found you at the exact time and moment that TO attacked you"

7. Hoody hates Alex for shooting him and taking his friends.

8. The reason Hoody is almost never seen leaving things for Jay (Tower, hole, basement of hospital, tape in TIMs house. Could be because it needs to stay where it is for time paradox reasons because that is Where Jay originally found it. All Hoody can do is hint about them and hope Jay finds them again.

9. TTA talks in code, not because he is crazy or likes to mess with us, but because he can't directly help or inform Jay of things because of Time reasons. And TTA uses us to decode the messages and inform Jay of them. Or maybe just as a futile attempt to try and warn him.

10. Brought up by Craigs Digsby - "wouldn't Hoody being future Jay explain all the blood (and possibly the bullet casing) he found in Entry #16? I know it's not extremely likely, but it's possible. "

I mean yes, OBVIOUSLY a number of these can be explained just as well and maybe even better by other theories. But I think it would be interesting and if pulled off the right way would be awesome. I think there are enough things here that can be explained by Time travel that they could actually use it as an explanation if they wanted to.


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Something that struck me about Alex: he waited. Much has been made of the fact that this time he didn't say anything to Jay at all; just aimed and fired. But he waited. He gave Jay enough time to turn around, see him, and even call out to him before firing. Why would Alex do that when he just as easily could've shot Jay in the back?

Here's my theory on Tim's actions this entry: Tim saw Alex, but Alex didn't see him. That's why he was backing away from the door before he turned and ran. I believe he went straight to his car and went home, because Alex was an active threat again, and Jay would've been a sitting duck. Only instead of a pissed-off insane Jay, Tim found a knife, cut zip ties, and Hoody's little 'love note'. Realizing there was only one place Jay would've gone, Tim races back to the college. He probably retraces his steps. By the time he finds that room it's been long enough for the sun to have gone down. I'm sure he saw the the bloody hand print and the abandoned camera and just knew. But he watched the footage anyway in hopes he was wrong. He was disappointed. He starts frantically searching for Jay (seriously; he sounds as scared and desperate here as he did in #72) even though he must've known how hopeless it was, and encountered Hoody. We all saw what happened from there.

I don't know how Alex got loose, or more importantly, how he got his gun back. I don't feel comfortable speculating, because I've got nothing.

I don't think Hoody set Jay up to be killed, but that's just a personal belief I can't back up.

I also don't think Hoody is future!Jay, again, just a personal belief.

I am fairly sure Jay is still alive, for now. I personally think TO took Jay when It did because it wants to use him like it uses Alex. Also
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these guys should know that you just don't kill a major character off-screen.


Because of the Quadrant video, I think we'll revisit the hospital. I also think the final confrontation, whoever's left for it, has to happen in Rosswod Park.


Best description of Tim's possible actions I've seen yet. Until an entry comes out proving otherwise, I'm going to assume this is what Tim was up to.

The question is. Why did Alex just pick up the camera and turn it off? Not move it or destroy it?




Edited to add extra post and add 10) by Craig Digsby.

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censura_umbra wrote:
The question is. Why did Alex just pick up the camera and turn it off? Not move it or destroy it?

I think I already answered your question.
It was so if Tim came back, he would find out what happened to Jay.

SilentMedusa wrote:
Something that struck me about Alex: he waited. Much has been made of the fact that this time he didn't say anything to Jay at all; just aimed and fired. But he waited. He gave Jay enough time to turn around, see him, and even call out to him before firing. Why would Alex do that when he just as easily could've shot Jay in the back?

Here's my theory on Tim's actions this entry: Tim saw Alex, but Alex didn't see him. That's why he was backing away from the door before he turned and ran. I believe he went straight to his car and went home, because Alex was an active threat again, and Jay would've been a sitting duck. Only instead of a pissed-off insane Jay, Tim found a knife, cut zip ties, and Hoody's little 'love note'. Realizing there was only one place Jay would've gone, Tim races back to the college. He probably retraces his steps. By the time he finds that room it's been long enough for the sun to have gone down. I'm sure he saw the the bloody hand print and the abandoned camera and just knew. But he watched the footage anyway in hopes he was wrong. He was disappointed. He starts frantically searching for Jay (seriously; he sounds as scared and desperate here as he did in #72) even though he must've known how hopeless it was, and encountered Hoody. We all saw what happened from there.

I don't know how Alex got loose, or more importantly, how he got his gun back. I don't feel comfortable speculating, because I've got nothing.

I don't think Hoody set Jay up to be killed, but that's just a personal belief I can't back up.

I also don't think Hoody is future!Jay, again, just a personal belief.

I am fairly sure Jay is still alive, for now. I personally think TO took Jay when It did because it wants to use him like it uses Alex. Also
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these guys should know that you just don't kill a major character off-screen.


Because of the Quadrant video, I think we'll revisit the hospital. I also think the final confrontation, whoever's left for it, has to happen in Rosswod Park.

My thoughts exactly of what Tim did. Smile
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I know it is likely that Alex tried to scare Tim. But why? He has always tried to hide footage. He was pissed when they started uploading things. So why is scaring Tim so important that he changes his MO?

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censura_umbra wrote:
I know it is likely that Alex tried to scare Tim. But why? He has always tried to hide footage. He was pissed when they started uploading things. So why is scaring Tim so important that he changes his MO?

Same thing as to why he didn't destroy the footage of what happened to Jessica, or what happened to Brian, or even Seth.
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AbyssalRook wrote:
Ok, I typed up a long, detailed synopsis of how I think everyone moved during 79 and 80, and then unfiction decided that it didn't want me to be logged in anymore and erased my entire post, so I'm gonna try typing it up again.

Someone let Alex out and gave him a gun, and I think it was Hoodie. The exacto-knife wasn't left there as a weapon for Jay to use to defend himself, it was left there by Hoodie, along with a pistol, for Alex to use to escape, as well as a note directing him to Benedict Hall, along with possibly a key. Alex cut himself free with the knife, then dropped it, and took the pistol and the key with him. I think Tim saw him leave the basement area, and tracked to the Hall, but found it locked from the inside. He tried to get a hold of a key, leaving his camera behind so as not to arouse suspicion, but failed, then went back to the basement area.

By that point, Hoodie had gone back there and replaced the note he left Alex with a note for Tim and/or Jay, and he may have moved the knife to make it more easily visible, and he also probably plastered those pictures on the wall at the same time. Hoodie was using the locked door at the top of the stairs to get down there, and locking it behind him every time he left, making Alex use the other exit. The last time he left, after placing the note for Tim and Jay, he left it unlocked and Tim used it to leave.

While Jay and Tim were in the basement, either Hoodie went and unlocked the door to Benedict Hall with his own key, or Alex unlocked it from inside. Tim thought that it was Alex who was following him, so when he heard the chair fall he sprinted for the top of the stairs, finding the door and another exit. Thinking Alex had left Benedict Hall, he then went to the hall to investigate, locking it behind himself so he wouldn't be followed, or he'd at least buy himself a few seconds in which he could set up an ambush.

After a while, he found that Alex wasn't coming after him, so he took his time to investigate. Eventually, I think there was a confrontation. I believe it was with Alex, and the Operator may or may not have been involved. Either way, Tim escaped and ran. Jay spotted him, but as he ran downstairs he missed Alex giving chase. Tim escaped, and as Jay was in Benedict Hall, Alex returned and the climax of Entry #80 happened. Alex broke into the room and picked up the camera. I bet he watched what was on it, then shut it off and left it where it was, possibly to preserve the battery life for Tim to find

A while later, Tim returns, either by his own volition to get another look, or after finding a note from Hoodie, or after possibly finding Jay's car. Or a combination of the last two (Hoodie left a note on Jay's car). He finds the camera, sees what happens, and then sees Hoodie and chases him out of Benedict Hall.

If I'm right about all of this, then there are a few things that this implies.

1) Hoodie has been driving a confrontation between Jay and Alex, and has been manipulating both of them to make sure it happens.

2) Alex, having watched the footage on Jay's camera, now knows for SURE that Hoodie has been doing just that, as he probably saw the footage of Jay's release, and he definitely saw Jay find the room that he'd been trapped in, with the note left to come and find him.

3) Hoodie obviously wanted to be seen. The only reason I can think of where Hoodie has overtly chosen to be seen is so that he could lead the one who found him somewhere, and in this case he led Tim out of Benedict Hall. It's possible that Alex left the camera there and conserved the battery life so that Tim would find it and be able to watch what was on it. He would see that Jay was taken, and begin frantically searching for him. Alex could have been hiding deeper in Benedict Hall, waiting to spring out and take Tim out as well, but Hoodie intervened and pulled Tim out, stopping that encounter from happening.

Now, all of this is just speculation, but I think the main thing that I want to stress is that I think that Hoodie released Alex, rather than Alex escaping on his own, to drive the confrontation between Alex and Jay. Hoodie could have even intervened when Tim and Alex met in Benedict Hall the first time.


I'm impressed by this analysis. I think this is mostly accurate.

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censura_umbra wrote:
I know it is likely that Alex tried to scare Tim. But why? He has always tried to hide footage. He was pissed when they started uploading things. So why is scaring Tim so important that he changes his MO?


As I said in another post earlier, I think he intended to lure Tim deeper into Benedict Hall. I think he wanted Tim to be searching frantically and irrationally for Jay, which would put him at a major disadvantage. However, Hoodie intervened and stopped that encounter from happening.

Also, I think he's still human somewhere in there, and some part of him doesn't like shooting people in the back or while they're preoccupied (watching the footage).

Also, a part of me thinks that Alex is testing TO's abilities when it comes to fixing injuries, and adding a psychological breakdown to a physical injury might have just been a test parameter of his.

Also he's a crazy bastard and trying to apply logic to him is never gonna work properly. So take everything I say with a grain of salt.

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censura_umbra wrote:
I know it is likely that Alex tried to scare Tim. But why? He has always tried to hide footage. He was pissed when they started uploading things. So why is scaring Tim so important that he changes his MO?


Maybe he's just too far gone to care anymore about whether anyone finds the footage or not.
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Sha Noran wrote:
AbyssalRook wrote:
My big 'ol block of text


I'm impressed by this analysis. I think this is mostly accurate.


Thank you! Though now that I've read more, I'd say that it's also possible (Downright likely, in fact) that Tim went home after leaving Benedict the first time and found Jay gone, then remembered that he had told Jay where he was going and assumed that he followed him, then went back. It would explain the time difference better.

However, I also want to point out that Tim did not run directly to his car after leaving Benedict Hall but ran in the opposite direction, back towards the basement area. This means that he might have even gone somewhere else, and if I was right about him assuming it was Alex that was following him, and I'm also right about him seeing Alex in Benedict Hall, he could have been going back to the basement area to see who was following him, or what he was missing. He might have even gone down the manhole that we saw, and returned later to continue investigating and by 'chance' found Jay's camera.

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ShadowCross wrote:
As much as I like the idea that hoodie has been Alex setting everything up this whole time, Tim's comment of "You're not getting away again!" suggests otherwise.

At least it gives off the idea that this isn't the first time hoodie's done something like this and it's not out of his character.

Edit: Just realized something, why the hell would Tim be upset with hoodie (clearly they've had earlier interactions and Tim likely knows his identity) if he's simply Jay from the future. Doesn't make any sense.


Shit, I didn't think of that. Maybe Tim DOES know who it is. Then again hasn't he only worked with him as Masky before? Maybe he doesn't know for sure.
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yamam wrote:
Two things I thought were important:

1)The entry which was a tape of the original Alex agreeing to give Jay the marble hornets tapes, entry 71, was different to how jay remembered it - in the tape, Alex attacks him whereas Jay doesn't remember that ever happening. -Because of the time travel and that two different timelines have been carried out, if you know what I mean? Or it could just be memory loss
2)Tim seemed to either come from the inside of Benedict Hall and unlocked it on the way out (he had gone in through another door), or came from the outside, unlocked the door, then started doing that weird stealth jog away. In this case he either went JUST to unlock the door, or he forgot something or was compelled to go back for some other reason


@point 1: Holy SHIT what if Jay from the future tried to mess with the timeline by intercepting the tapes from Alex before his past self ever got them, preventing himself from ever getting caught up in the mess at all?? So Hoody, unmasked as future Jay in 06, goes before himself on the day he knew he was going to get the tapes and snags them from Alex. Something Jay says is probably a slip of the tongue (Jay isn't too bright) and reveals he knows something that the real Jay in 06 wouldn't know - this doesn't sit right with Alex, who puts it together in his head just after Jay leaves and decides to not let him leave. Or, TO intervened and forced Alex to decide to stop him to prevent a paradox.

So Jay wouldn't have remembered the events that way because they haven't happened that way to him yet, he has yet to go back in time and try to fool Alex.

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im almost positive Seth is hoody in this video. ive been comparing images from Seth in Entry 9(specifically the back of his head at 2:16, as well as his shoulders)it cannot be Brian here, or future/robo-jay imo as hoody in this entry, . hoodys shoulders on this entry id say look very similar to how his are if you look at entry 9. I do not think hoody in entry 80 is Brian because Brian is way too stocky for him to be that small/slender. Unless if he lost weight(which could've happen this is an old series still truckin) or it could be another variable in which another character is introduced/or maybe someone we've ruled out.


http://imgur.com/a/ZlGpW
(will update in a little while here with more pictures for analysis and all that jazz.)

on the topic of hacked accounts? tim knows the passwords and they could be from him, jay states this fact on his twitter a couple months back "giving tim my password in case sometihng happens to me" not exact wording but something to that extent.

Whoever TTA/hoody is, they have been near TO for a long time. he has the same convulsive fits just as Tim does. Tim has obviously had these problems for a long time since he has been exposed to TO since he was young, so given that information TTA has to be someone that either knows Tim very well or he was the first to get TO sickness even before/same time as Tim. Which I should state that Brian and Tim have been friends for a long time. but given the photos I have here, the build of Brian doesn't really fit hoody in entry 80, 66 and others. It could be very possible that he has lost weight due to TO's exposure over an extended period of time. It would also explain why Tim has collaborated with TTA at one point, given the fact that they were childhood friends. But Personally I believe at this point TTA is Seth and Brian. The collaboration to me seem to make the most sense currently, its just who put the quadrant video up? could it have been Jay? hopefully we get more answers soon!!

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Sha Noran wrote:
yamam wrote:
Two things I thought were important:

1)The entry which was a tape of the original Alex agreeing to give Jay the marble hornets tapes, entry 71, was different to how jay remembered it - in the tape, Alex attacks him whereas Jay doesn't remember that ever happening. -Because of the time travel and that two different timelines have been carried out, if you know what I mean? Or it could just be memory loss


@point 1: Holy SHIT what if Jay from the future tried to mess with the timeline by intercepting the tapes from Alex before his past self ever got them, preventing himself from ever getting caught up in the mess at all?? So Hoody, unmasked as future Jay in 06, goes before himself on the day he knew he was going to get the tapes and snags them from Alex. Something Jay says is probably a slip of the tongue (Jay isn't too bright) and reveals he knows something that the real Jay in 06 wouldn't know - this doesn't sit right with Alex, who puts it together in his head just after Jay leaves and decides to not let him leave. Or, TO intervened and forced Alex to decide to stop him to prevent a paradox.

So Jay wouldn't have remembered the events that way because they haven't happened that way to him yet, he has yet to go back in time and try to fool Alex.


...This future Jay thing needs to stop answering so many damned questions.

Of course, Jay has lost time as well, i.e. the 8 months we didn't hear from him, so his memory isn't all too trustworthy to begin with, but this future Jay thing would also answer that one tape, where Jay talked to Alex about Marble Hornets, where at the end Jay says he doesn't remember it happening at all. Also, Tim's memory is spotty occasionally, as well, and he loses large chunks of time...

...Unless Masky was actually future Tim @.@.....

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SilentMedusa wrote:
I am fairly sure Jay is still alive, for now. I personally think TO took Jay when It did because it wants to use him like it uses Alex. Also
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these guys should know that you just don't kill a major character off-screen.

I dunno man,
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showing the character being shot, showing that the character is wounded and losing blood, showing the character who has lost blood being vanished by an entity which has been depicted in the past quite clearly as nabbing corpses, it all seems to add up to me. It's about as close as they could get to a death scene without filming Jay take his last breath and having someone close his lifeless eyelids, which doesn't seem to be MH's style. I mean, whaddya want, a heart monitor or somethin'?

Conventional wisdom is that you don't kill a major character onscreen but then again, conventional wisdom is for conventional stories in conventional mediums and MH is neither of those things.


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This seems like a good point for one idea I had to happen in the story. Now that Tim's immediate leads seem to have dried up again, wouldn't it be cool if he found Hoody's hideout from #68 and confronted them there? Hoody's already shown the general location, Jay and Tim just haven't had a reason to go all out and try to hit Hoody where they know they'll be, until now.

Also it takes an odd kind of story for it to feel right for the main character to abruptly die like this. MH isn't that kind of odd story.

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