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LiefWolfsbane
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Beidah wrote:
Hoody isn't Jay. Besides for "missing time", there hasn't been any evidence of time travel. Nothing in this video suggests that Hoody is Jay, quite the opposite. Why would Jay lead Jay into a trap where Jay gets shot and nabbed, then come and taunt Tim about it?


Did you just seriously try and pull that card. Do I need to list the several points in time where Jay and Tim have had time shenanigans happen to them?
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awakeasaurusrex
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censura_umbra wrote:
1) How TTA ALWAYS knows what is going to happen, where to be, and how to get Jay to do what he wants.

4. TTA knows all of Jays passwords. No matter how many times he changes them.

6. TTA ALWAYS know where they are and are going to be. Not just "Hey I found you" but "Hey I found you at the exact time and moment that TO attacked you"

Bolded are the parts which make this theory a huge problem with me: they all rely on Future Jay remembering all of this stuff. That's a damn good memory to recall not just the exact timing, but also all the different passwords. Think of an Internet account you've had for 4+ years where you've changed the password regularly - how many of the old passwords can you remember? If you recall more than just the present one and the previous one I'm impressed.

And here's where the really huge problem comes in: the one lesson we have learned repeatedly during the series, over and over and over again until it's been drilled into us - the one thing which you can accept as a fundamental axiom of how the MH universe works, is that encounters with the Operator make your memory get worse, not better.

LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Did you just seriously try and pull that card. Do I need to list the several points in time where Jay and Tim have had time shenanigans happen to them?

Reread Beidah's point carefully. There's never been any evidence of people going back in time in the series. Missing chunks of time so that midday suddenly becomes midnight? Sure. But there's a honking great difference between "fast forward" and "rewind" and the Operator has only ever been demonstrated to do the former.

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geekgirlinthefedora
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LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Beidah wrote:
Hoody isn't Jay. Besides for "missing time", there hasn't been any evidence of time travel. Nothing in this video suggests that Hoody is Jay, quite the opposite. Why would Jay lead Jay into a trap where Jay gets shot and nabbed, then come and taunt Tim about it?


Did you just seriously try and pull that card. Do I need to list the several points in time where Jay and Tim have had time shenanigans happen to them?


They've had time sped up but there's never been any evidence of true time travel.
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Amethyst.64
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 		For the people saying Tim drove home - I thought he lived a day's drive away. I know this doesn't make much difference, but are you thinking that #80 took place over more than 1 day?

Also, I think Alex was being kept in the photography studio, not the basement. It doesn't make sense to put pictures in the room he was in. Also, the studio had a bloody chair and a darkroom (in the photos the only light is a torch on his face)
Again, I don't see it being significant, I think that was just there for foreshadowing.

Also, Future Jay is looking more likely (based on Abyssal Rook's analysis of inquiry & "Am I the third" (but that begs the question who was the intended audience if not Jay))
However, I'm still not entirely sold, Seth/Brian are still prime candidates in my eyes

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AbyssalRook
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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Beidah wrote:
Hoody isn't Jay. Besides for "missing time", there hasn't been any evidence of time travel. Nothing in this video suggests that Hoody is Jay, quite the opposite. Why would Jay lead Jay into a trap where Jay gets shot and nabbed, then come and taunt Tim about it?


Did you just seriously try and pull that card. Do I need to list the several points in time where Jay and Tim have had time shenanigans happen to them?


They've had time sped up but there's never been any evidence of true time travel.


Just because it hasn't been shown doesn't mean it can't be, and Occam's Razor doesn't work when something can solve so many problems at once.

However, I really do hesitate to subscribe to the future Jay idea. It's too hazy, yet. But it does answer enough questions to make me uneasy. For now I'm gonna give it a solid "Eeeeeeh....maybe." for my response. Too much stuff fits in to discount it outright.

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Amethyst.64 wrote:
For the people saying Tim drove home - I thought he lived a day's drive away. I know this doesn't make much difference, but are you thinking that #80 took place over more than 1 day?


Tim said the college was nearby. It's somewhere in Rosswood so it's probably reasonably close to Tim's house.
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 		I can't remember where, but I know someone suggested that TTA uploaded Quadrant as a response to the events of Entry 80, not Entry 79. This would totally change the meaning of Quadrant.

It seems like TTA is talking to Tim. Tim tends to act without really thinking, which is why he's telling him to "Look for information." He's trying to get Tim to think things through ("Hold off. Stay calm,"), rather than act impulsively ("Do not do this").

We assumed that "Everyone is going to-" would have ended with something like "die," but I'm starting to wonder if that's what was intended. If TTA meant that, I feel like he/she would probably have just said it. Maybe TTA is telling Tim that everyone will be okay or live in order to comfort Tim. Kind of like "Jay's alive, so calm your tits and help me out."

As far as the last line, which I believe to be "Please do not leave," I think he's telling Tim to not give up. If Tim thinks Jay is dead, he doesn't have much of a reason to continue. In his grief, he may just run off and try to forget everything that happened, but if he does that, there's no chance he can find Jay.

The answer to the last twitter code ("I can not help") seems to be referring to TTA not being able to save Jay himself. For some reason, it seems that Tim has to be the one to save Jay. I think TTA may be able to help Tim get into the Slenderverse, but won't be able/willing to go in.

I assume that the "How do hands talk?" and typing video were just to help solve the cipher. I don't know exactly how the whole "Who Am I/Am I the Third" thing ties in, though. Ideas, anyone?

Then again, TTA lies, so all of this could be total bullshit.

TL;DR Quadrant was probably an answer to Entry 80 and may mean that Jay is not beyond saving.

As a side note, could anyone make out the picture on the table of the darkroom? It probably wasn't important, since Jay didn't seem to care about it, but I can't get it out of my head.

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Amethyst.64 wrote:
For the people saying Tim drove home - I thought he lived a day's drive away. I know this doesn't make much difference, but are you thinking that #80 took place over more than 1 day?

Also, I think Alex was being kept in the photography studio, not the basement. It doesn't make sense to put pictures in the room he was in. Also, the studio had a bloody chair and a darkroom (in the photos the only light is a torch on his face)
Again, I don't see it being significant, I think that was just there for foreshadowing.


I think you might be right about that. Maybe Tim didn't drive home, and maybe he went back to the basement.

To me, that chair looked rusted. And if you go by my analysis, Alex being kept in the basement answers how Tim knew about the basement, about Benedict Hall, and explains the knife's presence much better. The pictures could have been placed there after Alex left, but before Tim and Jay went down there, or even while Alex was still there and when Hoodie gave him the knife to free himself.

If Hoodie used the darkroom to develop the pictures, and slept there, he'd probably want to keep Alex away from himself, in case he managed to get free. If Alex freed himself before Hoodie intended, Alex wouldn't know where to find him, and would only come across the locked door to Benedict Hall. The only way he'd be able to get in is by breaking a window, which would wake Hoodie up if he were asleep.

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censura_umbra
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
censura_umbra wrote:
1) How TTA ALWAYS knows what is going to happen, where to be, and how to get Jay to do what he wants.

4. TTA knows all of Jays passwords. No matter how many times he changes them.

6. TTA ALWAYS know where they are and are going to be. Not just "Hey I found you" but "Hey I found you at the exact time and moment that TO attacked you"

Bolded are the parts which make this theory a huge problem with me: they all rely on Future Jay remembering all of this stuff. That's a damn good memory to recall not just the exact timing, but also all the different passwords. Think of an Internet account you've had for 4+ years where you've changed the password regularly - how many of the old passwords can you remember? If you recall more than just the present one and the previous one I'm impressed.

And here's where the really huge problem comes in: the one lesson we have learned repeatedly during the series, over and over and over again until it's been drilled into us - the one thing which you can accept as a fundamental axiom of how the MH universe works, is that encounters with the Operator make your memory get worse, not better.

LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Did you just seriously try and pull that card. Do I need to list the several points in time where Jay and Tim have had time shenanigans happen to them?

Reread Beidah's point carefully. There's never been any evidence of people going back in time in the series. Missing chunks of time so that midday suddenly becomes midnight? Sure. But there's a honking great difference between "fast forward" and "rewind" and the Operator has only ever been demonstrated to do the former.


As for the memory thing: Yes, I remember every password I've had for the past 10 years. But I don't make random gibberish passwords that are impossible to remember.

As for remembering every detail that has happened? You can't. BUT you CAN rewatch tapes that you have been hording for 4 years. Jay has edited and uploaded everyone of the MH videos (for the most part) He would probably still have local copies of all of the footage on his laptop. And most likely he has his laptop in a laptop bag with him. He has been staking out the college for who know how long and probably uploaded videos from it while there. He wouldn't leave it around so Hoody could take it and mess with it. He would take it with him. So it could be with him at the ARK. And he could bring it back in time, and just watch it to remember where he went.



Also, I agree with the above Quadrant analysis.

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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
LiefWolfsbane wrote:
Beidah wrote:
Hoody isn't Jay. Besides for "missing time", there hasn't been any evidence of time travel. Nothing in this video suggests that Hoody is Jay, quite the opposite. Why would Jay lead Jay into a trap where Jay gets shot and nabbed, then come and taunt Tim about it?


Did you just seriously try and pull that card. Do I need to list the several points in time where Jay and Tim have had time shenanigans happen to them?


They've had time sped up but there's never been any evidence of true time travel.


Exactly. There's been no evidence of anyone "traveling" through time to where there's 2 of the same person in the same plane of time. If this were present in the series, we should have been shown something hinting us that it's possible someone traveled back in time. Also with this, they're going to have to go through major trouble of showing us how Hoody traveled through time.

If Hoodie were future Jay it brings up a slew of problems like, is Hoody trying to prevent something happening? Because that can't happen as we know with everything in time traveling, you can't change the past. You may be able to something specific, like if Tim were to get killed by a car accident, sure you can prevent his car accident, but Tim's still going to die either way. There may be something down the road that'll change the "rules of time travel in media" but Marble Hornets isn't.

What's funny about this theory is it literally started as a joke and people thought it was serious, and just ran with it.

@Amethyst- It was never stated that Tim lives a day's drive away.

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 		And if Hoody is "future Jay", why would he make it so hard on himself instead of just giving him solid answers?

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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
Amethyst.64 wrote:
For the people saying Tim drove home - I thought he lived a day's drive away. I know this doesn't make much difference, but are you thinking that #80 took place over more than 1 day?


Tim said the college was nearby. It's somewhere in Rosswood so it's probably reasonably close to Tim's house.


Fair enough, I must be getting confused with College Town.


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Again, fair enough, I don't suppose it makes too much difference which ever way you look at it anyway.

As for Quadrant, I'm pretty certain that it's in response to what happened here 'I CAN NOT HELP' etc (along with OOG upload time being so close together) pretty much confirm it for me

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 		I think since we have nothing to go on from this entry we are just passing time with this entertaining theory. And it does fit in some parts.
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So if They went with this direction it wouldn't be completely out of left field. Also, they do read these forms sometimes. The fact that we are even coming up with these connection can show them that this path wouldn't completely piss us off.

Also, MH isn't going to answer every single question. IE: How TO does what he does, or how someone can Time Travel. They could just show Tim unmask Hoody to reveal it is an older Jay. Boom. Time travel. We don't need to know the mechanics.[/spoiler]

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And if Hoody is "future Jay", why would he make it so hard on himself instead of just giving him solid answers?

Maybe because he can't directly help due to time paradox things or that he cant change what happens

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RedHotRubberDucky wrote:
And if Hoody is "future Jay", why would he make it so hard on himself instead of just giving him solid answers?


Future paradox BS, most likely. Or because by going through The Operating Room, future Jay would be driven somewhat insane.

Really, I don't know how much more we can stand to gain from discussing it as a possibility. It DOES answer a lot of questions, but I don't think we'll be given any more to work with regarding it it until at least Entry #83 or 84, because 81 and 82 are gonna probably be centric to Tim recounting what happened from his point of view at the school in 81, and then possibly getting his shit together and actually doing something in 82. Or maybe 82 will be about him not getting his shit together and procrastinating. Neither would surprise me.

As for smgrant1100's Quadrant analysis? I think that's a pretty safe idea, though I don't know if I trust Hoodie's motives. I see him as more of the main antagonist of the series with every passing entry.

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censura_umbra wrote:
As for the memory thing: Yes, I remember every password I've had for the past 10 years. But I don't make random gibberish passwords that are impossible to remember.

Which would be exactly the sort of password you'd take to using if someone was repeatedly hacking your account...

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Maybe because he can't directly help due to time paradox things or that he cant change what happens

If he can't change anything why bother going back in time in the first place?

Also, if Hoody is Future Jay then he has ALREADY changed the timeline through a plethora of actions, any one of which could have had unpredictable time paradox effects. So the idea that Hoody is being deliberately non-interventionist is bullpucky - Hoody is interventionist as fuck when it suits his agenda.

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