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[VIDEO] Entry #80
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Ztakk
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And if Hoody is "future Jay", why would he make it so hard on himself instead of just giving him solid answers?

Maybe because he can't directly help due to time paradox things or that he cant change what happens

That doesn't make any sense if he cant change anything. There's no reason for the cryptic statements if he can't change anything. If someone can't change an event it makes no sense for them to be cryptic because it won't change anything. Why would he go through the work of being cryptic and HOPING Jay understands something.

If he really wanted to be cryptic and still guarantee Jay will know what he's saying just say "Hey Jay, you're gonna get shot". Will Jay believe this? Maybe. He'd probably just discount it though. It makes it so much simpler to just come right out and say what you're trying to say.

As for Quadrant being in response to the events in 80, can someone explain this viewpoint. I always viewed TTA's messages as being toward us, the viewer, but focused at Jay IG, and the "I CAN NOT HELP" was meant to say to Jay literally that, TTA can't help Jay right now.

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:00 pm

AbyssalRook
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:

If he can't change anything why bother going back in time in the first place?

Also, if Hoody is Future Jay then he has ALREADY changed the timeline through a plethora of actions, any one of which could have had unpredictable time paradox effects. So the idea that Hoody is being deliberately non-interventionist is bullpucky - Hoody is interventionist as fuck when it suits his agenda.

Well, if this is Future Jay, then he didn't go back of his own accord. But maybe it's a Doctor Who meeting himself kind of thing. He does things because he remembers seeing himself doing those things, making it more of a time loop that he's closing. Or maybe he just wants to see this through to the end. Maybe he wants to see what happens after this point.

Here's an interesting thought, as well. If this is indeed future Jay, and he's only doing things because he remembers Hoodie doing them, then from this point on he's flying solo, which would be interesting to see. If it is future Jay, then we can expect to see a sudden, drastic change in behavior now that he's off his own time-locked railroad.

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:06 pm

ShadowCross
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Craig Digsby wrote:

Hmm... wouldn't Hoody being future Jay explain all the blood (and possibly the bullet casing) he found in Entry #16? I know it's not extremely likely, but it's possible.

I really like this idea, it fits well.

Also I have a few points I wanted to put out there.

Tim shouts at Hoody, "You're not getting away again," and "You set this up!" This is an important detail that's getting overlooked in my opinion. Firstly, Tim has clearly had contact with Hoody and knows more than he lets on, I have no reason to doubt that he knows the identity of Hoody. If this really was Jay from the future, trying to create a stable time loop or something or something to that effect, why would Tim try to stop him? Another thing about this is that it makes me feel Hoody has never been trustworthy, referring to the "you're not getting away again," comment. Either way, just a bit of speculation.
I don't think Alex was ever entirely alone in the beginning with what he did to other people during the filming of Marble Hornets. I feel that Seth may have been in cahoots with him. My reason for this being that he's one of the few people who we can't say for sure Alex was trying to sacrifice. While in the other instances, there's obvious acts of aggression from Alex, in Entry 22 something simply attacks them (likely the operator). This may have been the first instance Alex ever encountered the operator. I feel like Alex instigated the contact with the operator through some means and Seth was there at the beginning. And now they're simply trying to tie up loose ends or achieve something more dark and sinister (there must be a reason Hoody didn't simply kill Jay while tied up at Tim's house. Anyway I'm rambling now. This is the gist of what I think is going on.

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:07 pm

Amethyst.64
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Craig Digsby wrote:

Hmm... wouldn't Hoody being future Jay explain all the blood (and possibly the bullet casing) he found in Entry #16? I know it's not extremely likely, but it's possible.
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sorry, I might be being really dense, but how are these linked?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:11 pm

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Amethyst.64 wrote:

Craig Digsby wrote:

sorry, I might be being really dense, but how are these linked?

Professor might be on to something, actually...

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:14 pm

smgrant1100
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Ztakk wrote:

As for Quadrant being in response to the events in 80, can someone explain this viewpoint. I always viewed TTA's messages as being toward us, the viewer, but focused at Jay IG, and the "I CAN NOT HELP" was meant to say to Jay literally that, TTA can't help Jay right now.

I've always viewed TTA videos as a means to motivate Jay to do something, often by "exposing" secrets to the audience. Now that Jay is MIA, TTA needs someone to carry on with whatever it is he/she is trying to do, so Tim is the next logical choice. By baiting Tim with the ability to help Jay, whether it's true or not, he/she is much more likely to get Tim to cooperate.

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:16 pm

Amethyst.64
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Amethyst.64 wrote:

Craig Digsby wrote:

sorry, I might be being really dense, but how are these linked?

Oh, you're saying that Jay was ported back to Brian's house before #16? That's interesting. I'm dubious, but sure, it's and interesting idea

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:17 pm

Sha Noran
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ieisuk wrote:

It's time for the biggest point that NOONE has been bringing up. Jay hasn't uploaded footage since entry#77. Entry #77 was Jay went after Tim, Tim hogtied him and then ran off to find Alex or the hooded man at the address. He took Jay's camera and admitted to uploading it and leaving Jay behind for his own good. How did the video get uploaded before he left though?

In Entry #78 the hooded man finds Jay in the house looking for medication. He gives Jay the knife and the camera since he realized that Tim was making a move if Jay was tied up like that. But he also makes it clear that he can only give Jay one last chance to do something, thus the message on the mirror. Jay ran for it. How did this entry get uploaded between him leaving and getting to Tim. A pattern is forming now.

We come to Entry #79. Jay arrives at Benedict Hall trying to find anything. Instead of finding Tim he found the hooded man. I can't explain the hooded man's actions on Jay aside from appearing to be defensive rather than offensive. Then upon further exploration he sees Tim. He stalks Tim wanting to make a move on him. Then Tim goes into the basement and Jay's intentions changed to finding what Tim was looking for. Finding the note, and losing Tim, Jay changed gears to see what Tim was looking for. Seeing that Tim couldn't get in, he took to going back the window that he could see Tim before and waited. Again, the entry was posted and he said he was going to sit there and watch for something to happen. How could he have uploaded the footage if he was hanging around there?

Start entry# 80 where Entry #79 left off, and considering how it ended, we know at least for now that Tim had to have uploaded this entry....... and Jay's last two entries as Jay.

How do hands talk? With a keyboard. Either Tim uploaded at least the last 4 entries, including adding commentary or someone else has the camera at the moment. I'm leaning toward Tim becausr he found Jay's camera, and has the password to the channel and the videos aren't a bad acid trip.

The coded tweets were trying to point to this as Tim hasn't come out and explained what's happenes on camera himself, but his hands sure have talked when it came to posting as Jay. Him uploading 80 was probably a result of the coded tweet taunting him for not showing what happened. Can't wait to see where this goes next but my end game theory may have just been turned on its side. My guess is we aren't as close to the end of the series as we thought and there could easily be another 5 or more entries to end this.

These are excellent points, I think you may be correct.

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:17 pm

Neroslol
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Wasn't the blood/bullet casing supposed to imply Brian's "death"?

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:18 pm

SilentMedusa
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ShadowCross wrote:

Craig Digsby wrote:

Hmm... wouldn't Hoody being future Jay explain all the blood (and possibly the bullet casing) he found in Entry #16? I know it's not extremely likely, but it's possible.

I really like this idea, it fits well.

Also I have a few points I wanted to put out there.

Tim shouts at Hoody, "You're not getting away again," and "You set this up!" This is an important detail that's getting overlooked in my opinion. Firstly, Tim has clearly had contact with Hoody and knows more than he lets on, I have no reason to doubt that he knows the identity of Hoody. If this really was Jay from the future, trying to create a stable time loop or something or something to that effect, why would Tim try to stop him? Another thing about this is that it makes me feel Hoody has never been trustworthy, referring to the "you're not getting away again," comment. Either way, just a bit of speculation.
I don't think Alex was ever entirely alone in the beginning with what he did to other people during the filming of Marble Hornets. I feel that Seth may have been in cahoots with him. My reason for this being that he's one of the few people who we can't say for sure Alex was trying to sacrifice. While in the other instances, there's obvious acts of aggression from Alex, in Entry 22 something simply attacks them (likely the operator). This may have been the first instance Alex ever encountered the operator. I feel like Alex instigated the contact with the operator through some means and Seth was there at the beginning. And now they're simply trying to tie up loose ends or achieve something more dark and sinister (there must be a reason Hoody didn't simply kill Jay while tied up at Tim's house. Anyway I'm rambling now. This is the gist of what I think is going on.

I can explain why this doesn't mean Tim knows any more about Hoody than we do. If you watch the entries, it's clear Hoody did set up all of this. The difference is, I don't think he actually wanted Jay to get hurt or killed. But Hoody has been leading Jay around from day one. More recently, he was the one who captured Alex, told them where he was being kept, and even cut Jay loose after Tim left him hogtied.

As for the "you're not getting away this time" comment, I submit entry #66. Tim and Jay followed Hoody through the hospital, and while Jay waas retrieving the tape that would become entry #67, Tim tried to chase down Hoody. Key word: tried. Hence, getting away "this time". Even though he totally did.

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:19 pm

Ztakk
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smgrant1100 wrote:

Ztakk wrote:

Still, I think that if Quadrant were meant for Tim, it would have come out after 80 did. I'm taking it as more of a message toward Jay that he can't help him.

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:23 pm

device
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Perhaps Hoody is actually Future Jay's "Masky" state. Original Jay's personality has been blasted away through repeated TO exposure in the ark, leaving only his "Masky" personality, who, like Masky, cannot speak and can only communicate cryptically. I know, big reach...

Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:41 pm

geekgirlinthefedora
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned anything about this, so apologies if I just missed it.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

I think at this point we can say that Alex is gone. He's killed before, we know that, we've seen it. But this time was so different. There was no explaining, no apologizing, no yelling. He just looked at his former friend, raised his arm and shot him. I think any chance that Alex could have been redeemed is now gone. I don't know if there's any of Alex left in him anymore.

I'm angry at Alex and I don't want to be. He's a victim, same as Jay and Tim and Brian and Seth and Jessica and Amy. He just looked..empty I guess is a good word. Whatever happens now, I think Alex needs to die. I just don't see any other ending for him, because even if he does come back to himself and break TO's control over him, how do you live with murdering an innocent bystander, leading your girlfriend's roommate to her demise and coldbloodedly shooting your friend?

Now I'm rambling because I haven't slept because I'm too full of feels and I'm gonna stop now.

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Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:08 am

AbyssalRook
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Sha Noran wrote:

ieisuk wrote:

These are excellent points, I think you may be correct.

....I dunno. The narrator should never lie to the audience. I think they're above doing something like that OOG. Uploading the videos is as simple as tethering a laptop to a cell phone or stopping at a McDonald's or a library.

The only thing that would support this idea is the time difference in the posting of the videos, in that 78 had to have happened before November 1, but 79 was posted almost 3 weeks later. That would mean that either Jay dawdled for three weeks before going to the school, or he went immediately and nothing happened at the school for three solid weeks, not even Tim returning to his car. And even still, 77 had to have happened 2 week earlier than that.

However, I don't put too much stock in the exact date the videos are released unless it's brought up specifically in the videos themselves, I only go by the order that they're released in with a vague time fuzz around them that can sometimes be loosely interpreted. I think, for all IG intents and purposes, 77 through 80 all took place on the same day, and were uploaded on the same "day" in universe. (Well, 80 was uploaded the next day, but you know what I mean).

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 12:13 am

ledzepfilm
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device wrote:

*sigh*

Jay doesn't have a masky state. Anything remarkably close to that is when he's completely paranoid. For example, Entry #77.

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