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[MariahTedder]

[MariahTedder]

[Animal]

This makes no sense Alex caught hoody unmasked and asked where jay and Tim were...he could have tried to kill future Jay right then and there, all why didn't he? Because it's not future jay...

[MariahTedder]

If Alex knew that Hoody was future!Jay, then he'd know that Hoody would remember where he was in the past. Ergo, he'd know where Jay and Tim were because he lived it.

And Hoody'd probably have some sort of a smirk on his face "hah hah, I know and won't tell" that kind of thing.

[ledzepfilm]

[Chest Cam Avenger]

I was so excited after this entry that I just HAD to sign back in after all this time, and post my theory of all theories:

HOODY IS JAY FROM THE FUTURE!!!

Aaaaand then I saw that everyone else was already there. So, I'll just have to spend my time defending the idea, instead.

I'm not actually remembering Alex unmasking Hoody (Entry #, please?), but even if he did, it's possible that the Operator dimension/time travel event has disfigured him.

The experience has clearly driven him half-insane. Remembering passwords isn't all that far-fetched - I don't "change" my passwords, so much as alternate from a pool of passwords I have in my head. Or, when necessary, alter them just slightly to meet complexity requirements. Plus, he wouldn't necessarily have to remember EXACTLY where to be and when to be there - the entries and twitter did a good job of prompting him and cluing what his past self's next move would be.

[Dacad]

I don't think Hoody simply wanted Jay dead. He could have done that by himself. No need to even bring the camera. Simply drag Jay out to the woods, strangle him, leave the corpse there. Hoody wanted Jay to be taken. Whether it mattered if he was alive or dead, I don't know.

We've taken it for granted that Hoody is done working with Tim, that he wants Jay now. But what if the opposite was true? Tim has had two friends in his whole life, both taken by Alex and the Operator. He might let himself turn into Masky. Tim doesn't know what to do, but his other self has managed to find his way into action easily. Look for Hoody to help himself to more of Tim's pills. Or just dump them down a drain while Tim watches, then restrain Tim, and just sit and watch until he starts coughing....

So now, Tim has to hunt down Hoody and either outrun him (not likely), or catch him off guard (not likely) in order to rip off the mask and let him have it. All while avoiding Gunny (that's what we call Alex's "evil" state, right?) and, uh, something else.

[kurthnaga]

[Camero]

So, regarding the location here. I understand this is a place with a number of unused buildings...but it IS a school, yes? I know he explicitly said that there don't seem to be "many" people around, but is there any chance someone heard the gunshot?

[kurthnaga]

[device]

ledzepfilm wrote:

[Oransel]

I really don't like "Hoody=Jay from the future" theory. I see where adherents of the theory come from, it may explain a lot, but...

1) It is a cheap plot move. Anti-climatic. No, not because there is Slenderseries which has already done exactly that relatively recently (however, you have to consider that it creates additional problems OOG), but because it's one of those conventional tricks of the plot writing.

When someone can't explain something in original way he goes for time travel. There are really good time travel stories, but they are good because at least some rules of time are explained through the course of book/movie/game etc. Viewer is prepared. Here...

2) ...there is no build-up for such complicated thing as time travel and time paradoxes. Sure, TO messed with time, created gaps, has pocket dimension, but it's more like time distortion, not time changing, if you get what I mean. Time is not altered, it is damaged, similiar to how TO makes people cough and distorts tapes.

In short, there have been no signs of traditional time travel (move there to change this etc.) in the series throughout. We also have to put a lot of imaginable restraints: Hoody could have just went in 2006 and kill Alex and be done with it, Alex could not recognize Jay because he is disfigured etc.

3) It is going against Marble Hornets aesthetics too much. Marble Hornets is about real world where something single, strange, distorting is inserted and we have no clue about what it is. Compare that to TribeTwelve (spoilers):

[Ascalondion]

Because I read alot lately that future Jay explains alot, I'd like to ask, what exactly? And what do you have to assume to make it work?
First of all you have to assume the following things, that have NEVER been seen in the entire MH universe (MH and TTA channel)

- People can go back and time and therefore duplicate themselves.
- People keep enough of their memory after an TO attack to remember the exact order and time of events, as well as several years of passwords.
- Hoody wants to create a stable time loop, wants Jay to die at that exact time for him to live.
- Peoples faces get heavily disfigured after being in theplaceofnolight OR Alex knows who all the masked people are.

So before people start arguing how great the time travel things explains everything, please try to argue for the above points independently of that.

Now for the merrits:
(most of them are taken by the account of censura_umbra)

"This explains how TTA always knows were Jay and Tim are." Well, for all we know, Hoody isn't doing much besides chilling in his rosswood park shack and stalking Jay. By stalking Jay, you know where he is, don't you? I mean, that's the sense of stalking, ain't it? Besides, Alex mentions in Season 2 that he is easy to find. So we have more in-universe hints that Jay is easy to find than we have hints that hoody is Jay himself. So we already have hints that Jay is both stalked AND easy to follow, despite moving around a lot. More evidence than for any time travel duplicate theory.

"This explains how Jay's password is being hacked so often." Well, as with the above point, this explanations rest on the somewhat questionable idea that Jay keeps that much of his memory to do so. What else is there to explain it? Well, for my personal favorite, Jay has a masked identity too, that rarely/never appears on camera but edits and upload the TTA videos his masked friends get the footage for. This is a bit of a stretch itself, but it too explains why most of the twitter/youtube breaches coincide with Jay having headaches, blackouts, sleeping problems.
You want a more low-key Theory, just assume TTA is good at hacking. I mean, he knows his decryption/encryption 101 AND has the input of people stalking Jay all the time. Should make a doable job of hacking. There is more to say on that point, but this is already getting wall-of-texty.

"This explains the blood and the bullet casing." No, it simply doesn't. The bullet casing should be with Alex or still laying in Benedict hall, as it does not travel with the projectile. It would only explain the blood – to some extent. Because the blood in the sink does not look like it has been leaking from one upper body, but rather as it were spit in there. Just in the same way that we have video evidence of that people tend to cough blood near the TO. Even Alex, how does not seem to get this coughing problems, does spit blood at one point if I remember correctly.
So the coughing fits the video way better that a time travel, where Jay bleed very precisely in that sink while operating bullet CASING out of his body, and then survives this hole surgery, because he is at good health after a TO trip. …

"This explains that the ark is the ark of Hoody existence." Well, to some extant is does, but again, I like to think of MH as a more "it's all in the manual"-style of mystery, of putting evidence we already have in the right perspective. And we have no evidence so far that the Ark is the creation of Hoody via backwards time travel by the TO to achieve...that...what exactly is TO going to achieve with this? Does he like heavy time paradoxes? Does this explains any of Tos behaviour, why Tim and Alex were stalked by him since childhood, and why only since the shooting of Marble Hornets things started to go downhill?

"This explains why Hoody hates Alex." Well, why then, does Masky also hates Alex? Is he Tim from the future, and Tim actually dies during the Marble Hornets shooting, but was sent through time as Masky, who lives on and was demasked, so that Tim now lives...again? Seriously...why are Masky and Hoody so different entities? One just a split persona of a normal person, the other...the transformed and disfigured shadows of a shot person who sent back in time to... to....what is this theory about again?

"This explains why we almost never se Hoody leaving things for Jay." We don't see him leaving things for Jay, because his is stalking Jay. That means hiding to some degree. Of course Jay does not see every action of Hoody, or else Hoody could not have been the stalking, creepy and erratic menace.

Tl,dr: While I don't want to trash the future Jay thing (though I wouln't be sad about it), I feel that the assumption of Hoody=FutureJay explains very little, on even less evidence. It would also render many hints, clues and evidence of 3 Years of Marble Hornet Videos almost useless, distracting and not getting to the point at all. If you assume this, 90% of all Marble Hornets content was a giant red herring. So, if you are okay with that, go on and assume that Hoody=FutureJay, but please do so in the Who is Hoody thread, so that we can try to piece the things together that are actually evidenced in the entries.

[ReeseSparrow]

I'm starting to think that Hoody/TTA doesn't have any sort of motive within rational explanation. I'm thinking he's more like DC's Joker. He just has a different, "wider," view of reality. He's acting based on something we don't see or understand, beyond what we would see as right and wrong. Whoever the hell he is, he's certainly been exposed to things that can alter your frame of mind....

Also, IMO, there is zero reason to assume that Hoody is future Jay. Once again, Occam's Razor. Why assume that it's some completely impossible concept when it's much more easily explained by something plausible within the bounds of physics, like oh...I dunno.... Him being someone else?

Yes, we have seen evidence of time travel in the series, I.E. it going from apparent day to night within seconds. In physics, time travel is definitely possible, we do it all the time, however it is only possible in one direction - forwards. There are ways to slow down time (moving faster, getting closer to a massive center of gravity) or speed it up, (moving slower, getting further away from a center of massive gravity, among other things.) However, there is no known way to travel backwards in time. It's theoretically extremely implausible and there are MUCH simpler explanations, therefore, no reason to assume the most extremely implausible possibility.

[ToTheFading]