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[wassupbro]

A lot of you people act like Hoody and totheark are different people. Lets be honest. Hoody is totheark. Masky was in season 1 but then Hoody hacked it. Its pretty obvious.

[Sha Noran]

Well, some of you stating there is nothing to support the future Jay theory are forgetting the tall, faceless white elephant in the room. Just because its time travel doesn't necessarily make it sci-fi... Time travel could be caused by.magic spells in fantasy or by supernatural beings or effects in horror. I think TO's job could be to close the time loop.

Alex must shoot Jay to create Hoody and close the loop.

Masky saves Jay in 52, but this was the wrong move, as this was originally where the time loop would have closed. TO prevents Jessica and Jay from properly escaping because then the loop would have never closed. In 67, Hoody and Tim want to kill Alex, TO intervenes because once again, if Alex dies he never shoots Jay which creates a paradox, and TO prevents it. In 71, future Jay tries to get the tapes before his past self does in an attempt to prevent the whole disaster, hence past Jay not remembering the events the way they went on the tape - once again this causes a paradox where the time loop never closes, so TO intervenes and forces Alex to change his mind and prevent future Jay from escaping with the tapes.

There are literally dozens of examples that make perfect sense if you look at the series this way. The blackouts of memory people experience are due to future Jay trying to change something to save himself, which creates a paradox; TO steps in and erases the memories that would prevent the time loop from ever closing, avoiding the paradox. Ever wonder why he's called The Operator? The Operator of the time stream perhaps.

It seems to me that the disaster that occurred in 06 with the student film Marble Hornets was in fact future Jay's initial sloppy and derpy attempts at preventing the whole thing from ever happening... Causing the initial Operator appearances because he had to step in and preserve the timeline to prevent a paradox. The initial Operator appearances cause Alex to go insane, eventually and ultimately leading to his shooting Jay - explaining also why he A) says that this is all Jay's fault and B) Alex's motivations for his killing spree. A perfectly constructed time loop and actually INCREDIBLE writing if this is the case. This would not explain The Operator's origin story but would shed minimal light on his motives.

I'm sorry to say it, because I didn't believe it at all before Entry 80, but Hoody as future Jay would make perfect sense.

EDIT: Also explains why TTA can't help more directly - TO would simply intervene and prevent it. Also explains why Hoody lives in the woods (to avoid contact with people who might be confused by/realize double Jay). Also explains why TO appeared to save Alex in the Entry where Hoody and Masky lure him into the woods. Also explains the desperate wrench swinging defense of Hoody in 79, and why he never speaks. Also might POSSIBLY finally explain the very confusing mention of "twins" in that one TTA... Twins, as in the two Jays.

[mokie]

[The Happy Madman]

Speaking of Tim's Magic Pills, I think Jay should have had some for boosted Operator defense.

[Sha Noran]

Another couple intriguing pieces of evidence for the future Jay as Hoody theory:

First: it explains why TO causes audio and visual distortion but allows film of himself to exist. He isn't worried about HIMSELF being caught on film, he is worried about paradox-inducing evidence of the situation being caught on film. He is basically redacting the evidence from the tapes. Very specific bits of conversation are routinely distorted/removed from the tapes, and I think this is because they are bits of conversation that would reveal to the characters, should they see the tape, that there's some time-wimey bullshit going on. Hence why we the audience and Jay in particular remain so confused as to what is really going on despite hours and hours and hours of footage and years of investigating. This leads directly into my second point...

Some of the events from the 06 footage that Jay doesn't remember ever happening actually feature future Jay interfering with the timeline. For a specific example, Entry 5 I think it, that has really intense audio distortion while zoomed in on the creek; I think this is future Jay saying things he shouldn't be, perhaps discouraging Alex's plans to use such wooded areas for filming or some such. If Alex was interacting with two entirely seperate Jays, it isn't hard to imagine that damaging his psyche. After location scouting with future Jay, past Jay acts like Alex is confused because past Jay never went location scouting with him at that location. Alex would start to lose his grip on reality and question his own sanity - he'd think wait did that really happen? Eventually he would grow paranoid and wonder if someone (or perhaps the whole cast and crew of MH) were fucking with him, like an elaborate prank. Except it isn't a prank, and everyone acts like Alex is being weird. Hence his growing irritation with his cast and crew - he thinks they are messing with his head when really no one but future Jay is. TO starts to fuck with him because the time loop is in danger if Alex decides to stop filming his movie or just quit associating with the crew/cast. He perhaps confides in Seth, who has seen all the footage and thus can confirm when Alex really did or did not meet with who and when. Seth becomes caught up in the mystery and agrees to help Alex uncover what's really going on. Seth begins to Know Too Much and so TO removes him from the equation. Alex fully loses his grip on reality, letting paranoia take over, and starts to eliminate the cast and crew. TO disposes of the evidence of his crimes to prevent a paradox, because if Alex is arrested and locked up he can never shoot Jay and close the time loop.

After the debacle of 06, as a last ditch effort future Jay tries to just intervene and get the tapes before his past self does. TO doesn't allow this either and finally future Jay learns his lesson - if he's going to try to change the timeline it will have to be much more subtle and cryptic, and he will have to make sure to hide his identity no matter what. He becomes TTA/Hoody.

This makes WAY too much sense to simply ignore or dismiss.

EDIT: This theory also explains why Hoody knows that Tim's pills have a special defensive effect vs. TO - future Jay has already lived Entry 72 and would certainly be aware of this.

[Ascalondion]

Okay I still don't get certain things, although some people already wrote smart things on that.

Hoody seemed to have lured Jay to Benedict Hall to "Find Alex, find the Ark", which has worked.
What he wanted to achieve, we don't know yet. Best guesses I've read are that he wanted the TO to appear, so that he could himself slip into the ark, or bring Jay to the ark for whatever reason. While the former did not play out that well, the latter worked to some extent. Now we need new entries so solidify theory about why.

So far so good.

This explains not, whoever, why Hoody, who's alliance with Jay was rather erratic over the course of the series, was stable in his behaviour insofar he was opposing Alex. That's one of the few points I think that were never in question. He was (and still is) suggested to be in alliance with TO to mob Alex out of his positions as TO's pet, yet still, he was an adversary of Alex. He tried to kill him at least 2 times, on camera. How many more altercations they had is unknown, but since Alex knew who was under his mask, they must have met off-camera.
We still don't know why Hoody now wanted Alex to shoot Jay, when his former objective seemed like the other way around.

All this concludes to the point that Alex freed himself, took Hoody out, and then was lucky enough to wait for Jay to stumble across.
But then some other things are a little bit unsmooth. If Hoody had Alex captured by the time of #79, why did he wait or run away from Jay, when is original motive was that Jay finds a captured Alex? And if Alex was already free by #79, then why did Hoody go, why didn't he do anything about it? Warn Jay, catch Alex, etc. And who opened the door to Benedict Hall? If we operate still under the assumption that Hoody had benevolent intentions towards Jay, surely not Hoody, but rather Alex.
This all makes so little sense to me.

On the other hand, to suppose that Hoody had bad things planned for Jay seems to contradict his entire previously shown character. And, if he had evil intentions, why would he have freed Jay from Tim's house in first place? And try to kill Alex in the past? While this seems more unlikely to me, the contrary theory that Hoody had planned things differently but Alex freed himself doesn't add up nicely for me.
Next to the above mentioned point, that is also a rather lot off-camera action, don't you think? Because if that were the case, then Alex must have went from armed and dangerous to captured and helpless some time between entries #73 and #75, and then from captured and helpless to armed and dangerous again at some point around #79 or #80. All off-camera.

I feel like at I am missing some important clues or things going on, but then, maybe that's just me and for you it's all pretty clear and you just await the next entry. (Which I do too, btw. Super hyped for a confession of Tim.)

[SilentMedusa]

I've seen a few people say that Jay has to be dead, because everyone TO takes is dead or dying. But that isn't true; in entry #44 he takes Alex, who was nowhere close to dead. And obviously Alex returned. Jay was very much alive when TO took him in #80, so...

To the question of why Alex didn't take or destroy the footage of #80: what's the point? Entry #49 has been on Youtube for years. Everyone already knows Alex is a murderer, so why bother covering up the fact that he did it again? Or alternately, Alex fought TO's control over him long enough to leave that footage so that someone would know what had happened.

Now, to a lighter subject. I've never actually felt the effects of the Uncanny Valley. Not even with the Slender man/ The Operator. But the way his arm bent just before it stretched across the room like a nightmarish Mr. Fantastic? Ewww, ewww, ewww! That was not a normal, flex-at-the-elbow bend. I haven't been grossed out by anything else TO has done across the entire series; not the head tilt, not shuffling through a tunnel he had no business fitting into in the first place, not rushing forward in the blink of an eye. No, what finally got me was seeing a part of it move in a way no human equivalent could.

[Neroslol]

seems a bit of speculation with TTA so i'll throw my 2 cents in. without a doubt hoody is TTA at this point, i say this (case and point) because in entry 40, he can be seen in the video and he sends a video response(as well as 41, he makes his presence known to Jays camera, and distortion occurs when hes seen indicating huge exposure to TO sickness stuff), which is "intermission." TTA specifically states "did you see me?" me, being obviously TTA, which is another thing I don't understand how jay could be TTA, he wouldn't say stuff such as "me" when referring to himself, personally if it actually was future Jay i'd believe that he would be more cryptic with his responses when referring to himself.

EDIT:the TTA video response to entry 40 is intermission, forgot to add that in there.

im leaning towards Brian being the last TTA member, and the "other two" being Tim's multiple personalities, which is why he said(just speculating on the quadrant video, trying to find other interpretations from what we've found on the thread) "who am I? am I the third?" Granted that could be interpreted in a number of ways. Regardless, Tim and Brian both have known each other for a very long time, which their symptoms (Tim's mainly, we don't see much of Brian to conclude anything) seem to reflect that. Could it be that when Tim got attacked, he only suffered a split in his personality, one violent, one not so much. But what if Brian suffered a more "serious" effect from the exposure, hence why he doesnt talk, grunt, or make any noise at all. Just throwing some food for thought out there

[AbyssalRook]

[Jibbles]

i dont think masky was tta, im not sure he has the mental capacity to be tta - all we've really seen him do is follow hoodys lead and attack jay in the woods that one time

[Sha Noran]

Holy shit and I just remembered a huge bit of supporting evidence for the time loop theory.

A LOOP OF UNHAPPINESS!

[Neroslol]

[awakeasaurusrex]

[Animal]

Not a big supporter of hoody= future jay, but it would explain the tta video Decay "he will lead me to you....lead me to death...lead me to the ark

[TheManPF]