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Ascalondion
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FalloutGhoul wrote:
If I may ask, does anybody have a screenshot of Tim seeing Hoody peeking around the corner?


I've seen a post of that in the forums here somewhere, can't remember where though. =( Searched a bit, but found nothing.

I tried to create my own.
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FalloutGhoul
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Ascalondion wrote:
FalloutGhoul wrote:
If I may ask, does anybody have a screenshot of Tim seeing Hoody peeking around the corner?


I've seen a post of that in the forums here somewhere, can't remember where though. =( Searched a bit, but found nothing.

I tried to create my own.

Thanks (resolution is a little questionable, but many thanks). Smile
I'm actually surprised that he wasn't wearing his typical balaclava.
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 		In case this point hasn't been raised yet: It's possible that Alex didn't mean to shoot Jay at all. Suppose Hoody was standing behind Jay, that's who Alex was aiming at, and he missed. A while back Alex had a chance to shoot Jay in the tunnel, but instead he phoned him and told him to leave.

Also, on the point about Hoody being futureJay, this seems inconsistent with Hoody saying "Look what you made me do" (some time around Entry #61, when he took Tim's pills.) If Hoody is futureJay being patient and diligent, then he I doubt he'd act so surprised and angry.

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Smoking_Gnu wrote:
Regarding Alex's mechanical demeanor and lack of speaking, could that also simply be because he didn't want to give Jay a chance to escape? He already missed the chance to off Jay and Jessica once before because his Villainous Monologue gave Masky a chance to blindside him, and he likely knew that Hoody was already on the grounds as well.

Doesn't discredit the "becoming the Operator" theory at all, just a thought regarding that particular scene.

I believe that this theory is flawed.
Alex allows himself to be seen by Jay before firing or even drawing his weapon. Now, a possible counter argument is that Alex was not prepared for Jay and merely appeared from nothingness, as things so often do in the series. However, even with that assumption, it does not account for the time taken by Alex between his appearance on camera at 3:08 and his shot at 3:13. Again, there is a possible counter-point, that Alex merely is taking aim for once, but this appears to fall short, as well. After his appearance at 3:08, Alex takes a good two seconds before raising his weapon at 3:10. In addition, after the shot, Alex does not fire again, despite having the weapon still aimed at Jay, as evident at 3:19. Alex merely takes a few steps, rather than firing at a cornered target or rushing him. After Jay closes the door, Alex is not heard giving exclamations of "open the door" or "this is your fault", despite the audio on the camera functioning, as evident by Jay's pain noises. Giving his usual bad guy speech would not affect the situation in any way at this point; the talking muscle and the door-breaking-down muscles can function concurrently, no amount of exposition heals a bullet wound, and anybody who would have been alerted by Alex's shouts would have been alerted by a gunshot. Simply put, I do not believe Alex's disposition could be explained away in such a manner.
On a similar note, however, the conclusion that Alex is The Operator should not be drawn from this, which disregards the reasoning that has been applied to opponents of the Future Jay theory. A person wears a suit, but doesn't become a suit.

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aidansean wrote:
In case this point hasn't been raised yet: It's possible that Alex didn't mean to shoot Jay at all. Suppose Hoody was standing behind Jay, that's who Alex was aiming at, and he missed.

There is absolutely no evidence to back that up. I seriously hope you are joking.

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MDHDZN wrote:
aidansean wrote:
In case this point hasn't been raised yet: It's possible that Alex didn't mean to shoot Jay at all. Suppose Hoody was standing behind Jay, that's who Alex was aiming at, and he missed.

There is absolutely no evidence to back that up. I seriously hope you are joking.


I said "possible", not "probable". Given what Alex has recently been through it would make sense that he'd kill Hoody without even blinking, but given what we've seen of him when he's had Jessica and Jay at gunpoint in the past he's always shown a mild sign of regret or reluctance. People were also commenting on what a poor shot Alex is, even though there's no real evidence for this (why own and use a gun if he can't shoot the thing?) so he might not have been aiming at Jay at all. Finally if Alex had meant to shoot to kill, why would he leave Jay wounded instead of finishing the job? It would make an interesting twist if Alex was indifferent to Jay's presence and he just got caught in the crossfire. It's just an idea, not a declaration of truth Wink

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 		Remember Entry 21 when Alex thought that everyone had been taken?

What if he's acting like this because he believes everyone ELSE is Slendy's thrall?

What if he's right? Shocked

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 		Nobody's analyis of Alex's stance and shadow is brilliant, and it's not the first time we've seen him act like an automaton. Remember entry 14, when his head is bleeding? If you woke up with and unexplained head wound, you would have some kind of emotional response. Alex just stares into the camera with an inhumanly placid expression. Entry 46 has a shot of him staring at his reflection in the mirror with a similarly exressionless face. I suspect that in both cases, the Operator was trying on poor Alex's body for size.

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geekgirlinthefedora wrote:
Smoking_Gnu wrote:
Regarding Alex's mechanical demeanor and lack of speaking, could that also simply be because he didn't want to give Jay a chance to escape? He already missed the chance to off Jay and Jessica once before because his Villainous Monologue gave Masky a chance to blindside him, and he likely knew that Hoody was already on the grounds as well.

Doesn't discredit the "becoming the Operator" theory at all, just a thought regarding that particular scene.


For me at least, it was part his lack of speaking and part the lack of hesitation before pulling the trigger. Unless you're a psychopath, killing someone is hard. And this was his friend. I don't think there's much Alex left in him anymore. I actually hope not because after seeing what's happened to Evan on EMH after remembering what he did as HABIT, I don't want to see Alex go through that. It's almost better to just think that he's gone and won't have to live with himself after all this is over.


We don't know Alex didn't hesitate. He might've been standing behind Jay for awhile before being noticed.
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Gante wrote:
Nobody's analyis of Alex's stance and shadow is brilliant, and it's not the first time we've seen him act like an automaton. Remember entry 14, when his head is bleeding? If you woke up with and unexplained head wound, you would have some kind of emotional response. Alex just stares into the camera with an inhumanly placid expression. Entry 46 has a shot of him staring at his reflection in the mirror with a similarly exressionless face. I suspect that in both cases, the Operator was trying on poor Alex's body for size.


Not to mention in the entry he takes tim out, theres a moment where Alex is staring out a window and doesnt pay attention to him. Clearly that part was operator doing. Its possible that these othher incidents are the same

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 		If Alex was the Operator at the end of Entry 80, then why would the Operator also appear and take Jay away? Are people saying that the Operator's both inhabiting Alex (and doing his best to kill Jay and knock down the door), and also either rescue or kidnap a dying Jay before Alex/Operator knocks down the door to get to Jay? It's a bit hard to believe that one entity was acting in concert there. Why not have Alex's body go do something else as TO takes Jay away? Or was shutting down the camera so important that he had to do it right then?

Just seems to be several leaps of logic more than necessary - easier to believe that just as always, Alex and the Operator are on the same side, Alex is a proxy but not the Operator actually inhabiting Alex's body and clumsily moving around. Just a strong influence. Or so cowed/terrified of this malevolent being that follows you everywhere that you're beyond fear (bloody-faced and looking beyond the camera at... something in the room).

Or was this bodysnatcher thing proved somewhere else?

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AbyssalRook wrote:
Remember Entry 21 when Alex thought that everyone had been taken?

What if he's acting like this because he believes everyone ELSE is Slendy's thrall?

What if he's right? Shocked

You mean 22.
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Beidah wrote:
We don't know Alex didn't hesitate. He might've been standing behind Jay for awhile before being noticed.


Jay is standing at the stairs at 2:55 and Alex wasn't there yet. Alex shoots him at 3:13. The only thing I can't figure out is why Alex waited until Jay turned around.
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 		"This wasn't supposed to happen."

What was Tim's plan? Was he going to try to beat up Alex, or kill him, or get answers from him? When they returned to Tim's house, he said he'd rather go down fighting, when they didn't know about the note in the attic. Then he hid the tape, Jay turned on him and then attacked him, he tied Jay up to (probably?) protect him from going to the college, and Hoody made it so Jay could be present. But what was Tim doing? It didn't seem like Tim was going to the college to fight Alex (though maybe he was, it could just be hindsight now knowing Alex had a gun and didn't miss this time). Entry 81, assumedly from Tim's camera as many have said, will be very important.

Also seems like Hoody and Tim aren't on the same team at all - Hoody made sure Jay knew about that tape of Tim and Hoody taking Jessica from the other hotel, and her disappearing. Tim didn't want Jay to see it. Hard to see Tim and Hoody linking up at the college, and Tim's anger at Hoody at the end of this Entryis pretty clear. "You set this up, you won't get away this time."

What's Alex's goal now? Going after Tim? Why couldn't he do that when Tim returned to the basement? He certainly didn't have to go to work, or catch a movie. He had to guess Tim would come back.

And Hoody, no one knows anymore. Either his plan happened and he's happy Jay got shot/taken, or he's mad. In both scenarios, it's pretty hard to guess what he wants.

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Hand it to Trosephim, this isn't predictable at all. Still.


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 		Not sure if anyone's said this yet, but Tim didn't know Jay had escaped yet. We don't know if he saw Jay in 79. He also took Jay's camera, so he couldn't. Have known the one laying there was Jay's. So the person to walk in front of the camera was probably Tim. He picked up the camera, sw the footage, then started freaking out after leaning what had just happened.

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