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Hoody = Future Jay theory debate
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Sha Noran
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JAL13 wrote:
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Right. Damn timeline has me all fucked up


I don't even know how anyone is understanding what time the entries take place because none of them are dated and Jay can't even remember half of the things that have happened in them. So if Jay can't even remember half of the things that happened I can't say we can give an accurate example of a timeline.


Noob statement. The sequence of events is actually relatively easy to deduce from evidence in the videos. That is, unless the whole "Jay is a completely unreliable narrator" thing proves true, which would be a shittier giant twist than future Jay being Hoody - no offense.

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Sha Noran wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
McGregor wrote:
Right. Damn timeline has me all fucked up


I don't even know how anyone is understanding what time the entries take place because none of them are dated and Jay can't even remember half of the things that have happened in them. So if Jay can't even remember half of the things that happened I can't say we can give an accurate example of a timeline.


Noob statement. The sequence of events is actually relatively easy to deduce from evidence in the videos. That is, unless the whole "Jay is a completely unreliable narrator" thing proves true, which would be a shittier giant twist than future Jay being Hoody - no offense.


Noob statement. That is my own opinion that Jay is not reliable. Not reliable in the sense that he can't be trusted, but rather people have to be more cautious about what he remembers due to memory loss and memories being different from what he remembers. I would say that would be unreliable. Easy to deduce? Thats why so many people are still confused Mr. Detective. Watch your mouth son.

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The timeline isn't THAT complex though. The first 14 entries plus 17, 20, 22, 54, 55, and 70 all take place in the summer of 2006. It's hard to say what order they go in; all we know is broadly Alex was normal and then he noticed the Operator and then he started trying to investigate and then the Operator started stalking him and then Alex started to go crazy.

Following this was 56 and 57 where Alex tries to get rid of Tim, 51 where Alex tries to get rid of Brian, 71 where Alex gives Jay the non-incriminating tapes but then attacks him and runs away, and 22 where Seth disappears in the basement and Alex leaves him there. Actually, the order around those is a bit wonky to be honest, but broadly these entries takes place around here.

Then 15, 16, 18, 19, 19.5, 21, and 23-26 are all present day. They compromise actions Jay for the most part remembers, or at least remembers parts of, so the order is actually rather concrete.

Next is the seven months, footage of which we see in 34-36, followed by 39-49, then 50 and 38 which takes place concurrently, and finally 52 at the end. We know the order of these tapes because Jay labeled them, and because the way he labeled them is consistent with the narrative we see in Season 2. The footage from 29 also takes place at some point during the seven months, presumably after 49, although it's hard to say exactly due to the entry being very out of context.

27 is the day after 52. Next is 28, followed by 30-33, which are all present day, and all of which Jay remembers fully. Then Jay looks through the footage from the seven months and posts 34-52. During this time, 37 it posted by totheark, which has footage from Alex's birthday during the 90s. I would have put Alex's birthday first in the timeline but it's completely irrelevant as well as obvious so I didn't.

The end bit of 52 is in the present and it is followed by 53, and the beginning of 54, with the present day picking up again in 58. Entries 58-66 are all present day, with 67 being the first "found footage" one for a while, although since it takes place between 65 and 66 it's barely the past and it kind of a ridiculous example. 67.5, 68, and 69 are all the present. Then, the present resumes again in 73 and it's been present day since then.

I mentioned a few times that Jay remembered parts of this because frankly the whole "Jay doesn't remember shit whose to say what takes place when" argument is kinda ridiculous. Jay has a lot of memory loss, but with the exception of the seven months which has a fairly concrete order, we rarely see footage of Jay doing stuff he doesn't remember (totheark's Return is a good exception). As such, most of the footage we see is fairly reliable, unless we're assuming Jay is a liar.

I agree with Sha Noran that Jay being a liar and the footage being a totally different order would be a total ass pull but I disagree that it would be a bigger ass pull than Hoody being future Jay - that would just be fucking stupid.
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Yeah, I agree with Dhawk, and (sighs) Sha Noran. Shit, I understood the timeline from the beginning. Its complicated but it makes sense. All in all, I stand by my proof of Exit. Hell. How do we even know Hoody is TTA? TBH I thought Seth was TTA and Hoody was Brian. But then Exit, and Intermission. But I do think Future Jay is Hoody.
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I actually need to make a correction. 76 was also not present day; the footage took place after 33.
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There's not even a real need to figure out the timeline and understand it yourself anyways now. There's tons of comprehensive timelines all over the place.

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I'm all for this theory. I'm pulling out my old proof, EXIT. Who else would have been filming this? Brian? No. He was oblivious to this all. Tim? Maybe, but I don't think so since the entry takes place before Alex Kraile's MH began. Alex? Nope, to busy encountering Oppy-kins. Who else would it have been then someone who knew what was going on? That's why I'm all for this theory. (Also the far apart eye holes in Hoody's mask. ( Like Jay's) ) Very Happy
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Also, the whole entry 68 thing. I have two rebuttals. Either Alex was in a fit of rage, or Jay's gotten older and unrecognisable.

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Osttle wrote:
I'm all for this theory. I'm pulling out my old proof, EXIT. Who else would have been filming this? Brian? No. He was oblivious to this all.


We have no proof that Brian didn't know anything, he could've been playing dumb.

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I don't think so Yahtzee. It would be pointless, and if he was playing dumb he wouldn't have gone with Alex to his DOOM
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If Brian was Hoody, then it wasn't really his doom anyway, so. Exit proves nothing and debunks nothing, although most theories about TTA's origins are wrong to ignore it, since it does indicate that TTA had taken up his TTA-ish activities well before Alex started offing his cast and crew and thus revenge alone couldn't be his motivation for whatever he's doing.

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It's possible, but it would be such a stupid move on behalf of Trosephim...

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jay 1: "i'm YOU?"
jay 2:"and you're ME!?!"
both: "BUNK BEDS!!"


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Sha Noran
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Osttle wrote:
Also, the whole entry 68 thing. I have two rebuttals. Either Alex was in a fit of rage, or Jay's gotten older and unrecognisable.

Inb4 Catfight!


Actually, it just occured to me... Why would Hoody know where Tim and Jay are when Alex jumps him at his shack in the middle of the woods in 68? It seems unlikely he could be sure of their location but not actively stalking them. One way he could be sure of their location is if he were future Jay, which might inspire Alex to confront him - perhaps his identity was revealed to Alex already in 67. Hoody spoke to Tim when Tim was leaning/crouched on the wall before he got up and beat Alex, who was tied to a chair that must have been in earshot. It also seemed Hoody was asking Alex questions right before that too. I'll rewatch to see if I'm confused, but yeah I've always thought what we missed in the audio there was very plot critical.

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Yahtzee wrote:
Osttle wrote:
I'm all for this theory. I'm pulling out my old proof, EXIT. Who else would have been filming this? Brian? No. He was oblivious to this all.


We have no proof that Brian didn't know anything, he could've been playing dumb.


Given that Exit takes place way before entry 51, Brian would not have been playing dumb. He would have just been actually dumb to let himself get taken by the operator like that. He showed no defense at any point, and if he was smart he wouldn't have even went with Alex. The only explanation for this is that hoody would have been Brian's masky state and therefore not remembered anything about Alex.


We know hoody is totheark from various moments. The way he says "did you see me?" in intermission, which ties into hoody sitting under a tree in entry 42. He also says "see you soon" just before an entry where they encounter hoody.



But none of this is even worth arguing. The only way Jay could be Hoody is if Jay somehow lived and traveled back in time. Except we've never seen backwards time travel in the series, only time dilations where our characters experienced time at a sped up rate. Saying backwards time travel is possible is altering mechanics of the operators powers to fit a theory, when in reality a theory should be fit to the mechanics of the operators powers that we have already seen and can take as fact.

On top of this, if Jay were able to go back in time using the operator's powers, others would be able to as well. This theory implies nobody once tried to alter the timeline or help their past selves which is completely unbelievable. Especially when you consider Alex could use that power to go back in time and make sure Jay gets shot in entry 52, as many iterations as it may take.

Not to mention the fact that if backwards time travel is possible, the operator would always prevail. He would always be one step ahead no matter what trickery anyone tries to pull. If Hoody found a way to kill him, as he's about to die he could travel back in time and prevent it from happening. So it's a useless theory unless you're ready to admit it would lead to a horrible ending where nobody is able to get rid of the operator and all of this progress they've made was literally for zilch.


A good theory is one that can not be proven false at the moment. A shit theory is one that relies on nothing more than the mere optimism that certain things will happen in the future.

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Just rewatched 66 and it really seems like Hoody and Tim were "in on it" together and it was some kind of show for Jay, to give him another tape (and thus feed his addiction). It just seems so unlikely that Hoody didn't realize they were there following him and also that he somehow dodged out on Tim's pursuit. And its awfully convenient that Hoody. shows up right where Tim wanted to check for more files (yeah, paper documents in a burned down place now open to the elements... Right). Very interesting, given the content of 67 and then 68, which snowballed eventually into where we are now.

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