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[Cagliostro3301]

[Mr. Dophin]

[Vicky beau]

Interesting that you have just said that about them making up their own cell, I have read something about the Poor Knights of Christ being given some right in 2013ad and being recognised as a body in the modern world, maybe these are pi$$ed of f as it doesn't carry over to them or their fathers etc.

Could you translate the text - I got the stand up and fight but i don't know how to pause it. And that was were I got the link for Bowie and the stones - from that 'tourist' who saw the shaman, but I've tried digging and digging but can't find much - I was thinking is it in relation to the holy grail but that's getting abit Indian jonesish, then thought about the spear of destiny and it empowering but it is in isreal - apparently - then there's one in the Vatican etc. there's so many lose end and could be's that just learning about this stuff is a puzzle in itself.


And 100 lodges is not much, there's probably a hundred in my immediate area - we have a mason hall in every village, 3/4 in every small town, 20/30 in every city, everybody here knows someone who is or who's father has been a mason or associate. From their rings to handshakes, it's no big secret here, thee are obviously break away sects who are into the darker elements - they are a lot harder to find. But Druids, pagans etc is growing.

Templars are rarer or more secretive - you have to look for the markings over the buildings here, they usually attach themselves to universities here for recruitment.

[Mr. Dophin]

I just found this after a few Google searches. I'm not sure how reliable it is, and I'm gonna try reading through it. Figured more eyes would make it faster and more efficient, for those interested.

http://www.parareligion.ch/bowie.htm

[Vicky beau]

I live close to Loch Ness so maybe a trip to Boleskine house is in order.

That wheel of 32 angels seems very interesting from the book of Goetia

[Cagliostro3301]

Guys! I just noticed Knights of the East and West is a rank/degree within the OTO (Ordo Templi Orientis):
In the K.E.W. ritual (Knights of the East and West – a kind of intermediary grade between the IV° and the V°) the candidate dribbles some drops of blood on a piece of cloth.

Source: http://www.parareligion.ch/2011/fetish.htm

[Vicky beau]

Read this, I think it will be relevant, if not now then in the future:

http://www.esotericarchives.com/gollancz/protect.htm

[Cagliostro3301]

Ranks in Ordo Templi Orientis:
http://oto-usa.org/oto/initiation/

I would like to know if these people are part of O.T.O.
I know there's two O.T.O. lodges in the Netherlands.
See for yourself here:
http://www.oto-nl.org/indexen.htm

[Mr. Dophin]

I don't think they are part of the official O.T.O. seeing as the only cells are in Amersfoort and Rotterdam. And as you said earlier, they seem to be part of a breakaway cell, acting on their own.

[atomicbear]

[Cagliostro3301]

[Cagliostro3301]

[Mr. Dophin]

[Vicky beau]

While checking out oto I have just come across this.

I remembered the twin towers things the other night.......

Might be an interesting read for you:

http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm

Most of it is outdated jibberish but again references to Solomon temple, 30 year cycle etc.


From what I can find though the oto seem to be a peaceful order, these who are behind this seem to disturbed to be members of oto.

[Cagliostro3301]

I think you are both mistaken here.
Baphomet plays a great role in the O.T.O.
Also, the templars are really peaceful and don't really involve satanism etc.
This doesn't sound fun either from the O.T.O.:

"I understand that every attempt is made to minimize the existing risks that are inherent in the nature of some of the activities involved through the use of proper equipment, safe facilities and sound safety practices. However, I also understand that these risks cannot be eliminated completely.
I realize that as a participant in the initiation ceremonies and other activities of Ordo Templi Orientis I could possibly incur bodily injuries. Due to the nature of these activities, injuries may be minor to fatal in nature. Some specific bodily injuries that are not uncommon to similar types of activities are listed below:
Stoppage of breathing; heart failure; stroke; spine and neck injuries (either of which could result in paralysis); broken bones; cuts and lacerations; bleeding; eye injuries (which could result in blindness); convulsion; unconsciousness; abrasions; fainting; sudden illness; cramps; loss of wind; drowning; and contracting of communicable diseases. In addition, there is a potential for accidents or illness while traveling to and from events.
I also realize that as a participant in the activities of Ordo Templi Orientis I could possibly incur non-bodily injuries, including, but not limited to: emotional, psychological, and social injuries; and damage to, or loss of, personal property.
I understand that the lists above are not intended to be inclusive of all injuries that may occur, but rather to inform me of the type of risks inherent in my participation in the activities of Ordo Templi Orientis, so that I can make a voluntary choice to participate or not participate.
I hereby affirm that I am voluntarily participating in any or all of the activities of Ordo Templi Orientis with full knowledge of the potential risks which they present, including risks of bodily, emotional, psychological, and social injury, property damage, and death, and I hereby agree to accept any and all risks of such bodily, emotional, psychological, and social injury, property damage, and death.
I agree to release and hold harmless Ordo Templi Orientis, Ordo Templi Orientis U.S.A. and their agents, volunteers, officers, employees, and directors, from liability for bodily, emotional, psychological, and social injury, property damage or death arising from my participation in the activities of Ordo Templi Orientis. I also agree to maintain confidentiality regarding the proceedings of the private religious initiation ceremonies of Ordo Templi Orientis and the documents related to those ceremonies. I give this release and indemnification in exchange for the opportunity for me to participate in the activities of Ordo Templi Orientis.
I certify that I have read this agreement, that it has been explained to me, and that I may be giving up legal rights which I may otherwise have. I acknowledge that I am at least eighteen (1 years of age."[5]
Potential VI° are asked, "you must notify us immediately if any of the following are true:
You have _any_ sexually–transmissible, orally–transmissible, or blood–borne disease; or you contract any such disease between now and the time of your initiation.
You are a hemophiliac or have any form of anemia or hypoglycemia.
You are unable, for whatever reason, to consume alcohol.
You will be taking any prescription or non–prescription drug at the time of your initiation; especially any drug with a blood–thinning effect, or that may produce undesirable side–effects when taken with alcohol."