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JAL13
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 		It's mother F***ing May 1st. Where is my new Entry!?!?!

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 		Because of the weather, it'll prob be done mid to late May. :S

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Cyan507
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TheOperator wrote:
While it can be inferred that the storm has delayed MH, it would be nice if they confirmed it publicly. We've had absolutely no updates as to how Entry #85 is coming along and it's been a month now.

I'm also fearing that MH will not have a good ending. Here's some things I feel still need to be covered:

That damn three-floored hospital near the annex. Why is it part of the story, what's up with its spooky basement, why have they mentioned the roof more than once but never shown it? It's looking more likely that this building will end up just being nothing more than a cool place that Tim wanted to show Alex, which led to him finding the more sinister annex nearby.

Where are Sarah and Seth? How did Sarah get taken? We're probably just going to get shown their corpses. Not too bad a deal for Seth since we saw how he got taken (although that raised questions in itself of why that basement's so special) but Sarah could end up being a truly insignificant character.

What happened to Amy? How does Alex know her? Does he really want to save her? If we get no more backstory for her and it turns out that she's either eternally missing or dead and we get an implication that Alex was working with TO in hopes of seeing her again, I will not be satisfied. A character not fleshed out at all and only there to serve as someone for Alex to want to save.

What happened to Jessica after Entry #76? If she's dead, that was one shitty death and made her role pointless.

What happened to Brian after Entry #83? If he's dead, that was one shitty death, although at least he got to be an omnipotent ninja for a good chunk of the series.

I don't expect any motivations explained for TO, nor do I want them. The issue with TO is how they handled his scare factor. He went from a creepy observer driving people to paranoia to a thing that constantly teleports in front of people and makes jumpscare distortion sounds. People also constantly get away from him and just forget whatever harrowing events happen to them, which takes away his scare factor.

Alex I would like some motivation for. I have a pretty good idea of what it might be, as Entry #82 showed TO was able to change Jay's behaviour in a similar fashion and it can be assumed Amy probably ties into Alex's motivation. But we could do with a little bit more to chew on, preferably in the form of some old footage.

Now... does it feel like all that can fit into two entries? I don't think so. I'll acknowledge the series isn't necessarily completely doomed, maybe they'll miraculously pull it off somehow. But there's reason to worry. There's been ample opportunity to show stuff like this but it was given up in favour of things like Alex walking around the Entry #4 park again or Tim crawling through sewer tunnels. Also Entry #84 has made a lot of the series worse in hindsight for me, as will #76 if Jessica ends up being dead, so the ending has a lot to make up for.


Much like you I'm terrified of a bad ending, THAC has a lot of stuff going on and I'm worried that they may not be able to put all their eggs in one basket. I trust them, but not their work load. I also think the THAC shorts, podcasts and LP's can wait.

The hospital is part of the story because Tim was a patient there. But you're right about the roof, I really want to see it. Would be such a cool place for an Entry. But as you said it's unlikely we'll see it now unless we get another sequence like 83. Plus in my experience the roofs of abandoned buildings are quite often unstable and dangerous. That might be why THAC wrote it in but then reccied it and dropped the idea or health and safety issues.

And you're right about the Seth/Sarah thing. Though Seth did reappear at the start of season 3 (though on an old tape) I hope he will reemerge, if only a corpse. Sarah also appeared on the Season 2 DVD so I imagine she's still around OOG for filming, we definitely need closure on her as Season 1 gave her too much screen time to think she's insignificant. Though it appears she was only an actress in the film we know that it was the cast and crew that were cursed, no one else. I know Season 1 wasn't too heavy on the writing or story but if we even get a Jessica like entry similar to 76 that would do me. And they have to go into Amy's character, they have to. Think of Entry 70, the picture of her in Tim's apartment, they can't just set her up and then just drop the character.

As for Jessica my guess is that her character had a bigger role in the grander scale of the story but OOG had to move away like she did after season 2 wrapped. She might have had to leave for a period longer than the duration of season 3's filming or had to move permanently for work. To me it seemed like 76 was simply there to write out her character and give her (although not great) closure. It did work in the story as a means to motivate Jay to pull a knife on Tim's in 77 (but of course 82 ruined that).

I think the death in 83 was cool, if he fell on a knife or something or fell from a higher distance it would have been cool, a snap of his spine would have been badass too to really nail it down. When he fell in the entry he just sounded like he stamped his feet.

I think all this nasty storm business has put a month's worth of strain on the next Entry, that's if half of it hasn't already been filmed and/or edited. So the whole "it'll be over before the next anniversary" is more than likely out the window In my opinion. It's now May and the entry schedule is a monthly basis plus we've about two entries left at the very least not withstanding the possible totheark videos if any. Since the next entry is delayed I'd say we're due an early-July finale that's provided the schedule picks up and they manage to make long videos covering all the events. If there only is two entries left they would want to be looooong videos. If what you say is true TheOperator, than we won't get the answers we want. We definitely won't get all the answers, but I'm worried that we won't get the ones that matter.

I waffled.

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Geneaux486
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 		On the subject of the ending, the three of them wrote out the entirety of the season before they started filming it. Also, they've always done Marble Hornets while having a lot going on, whether it was college, work, other projects, or even catastrophic storms, and they've always made it work. I'd like answers too, but just so long as the final entries are in line with the style and quality of the rest of the series, I'll be satisfied. And as far as I'm concerned they can take as long as they want with it, I'm in no hurry for the ride to end.

EDIT: Also that's awesome, Shockwave.

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Cyan507
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Geneaux486 wrote:
On the subject of the ending, the three of them wrote out the entirety of the season before they started filming it. Also, they've always done Marble Hornets while having a lot going on, whether it was college, work, other projects, or even catastrophic storms, and they've always made it work. I'd like answers too, but just so long as the final entries are in line with the style and quality of the rest of the series, I'll be satisfied. And as far as I'm concerned they can take as long as they want with it, I'm in no hurry for the ride to end.

EDIT: Also that's awesome, Shockwave.


That doesn't mean changes were made during production. I'm sure they will deliver a fitting end but the quality has dwindled a bit in Season 3 lately.

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The7kproductions
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Cyan507 wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
On the subject of the ending, the three of them wrote out the entirety of the season before they started filming it. Also, they've always done Marble Hornets while having a lot going on, whether it was college, work, other projects, or even catastrophic storms, and they've always made it work. I'd like answers too, but just so long as the final entries are in line with the style and quality of the rest of the series, I'll be satisfied. And as far as I'm concerned they can take as long as they want with it, I'm in no hurry for the ride to end.

EDIT: Also that's awesome, Shockwave.


That doesn't mean changes were made during production. I'm sure they will deliver a fitting end but the quality has dwindled a bit in Season 3 lately.


I have no idea what you are talking about with "quality has dwindled a bit in Season 3" considering most of my favorite moments,entries,and reveals all came from this season.

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Cyan507 wrote:
That doesn't mean changes were made during production. I'm sure they will deliver a fitting end but the quality has dwindled a bit in Season 3 lately.


Just curious: which Season 3 entries do you think show the "dwindling quality"?

For me it'd be Entries #67.5, #76, and #81. But overall, it's still a great damn season. I have to agree with The7kproductions: some of the series' best moments have come in Season 3.

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Cyan507 wrote:
And you're right about the Seth/Sarah thing. Though Seth did reappear at the start of season 3 (though on an old tape) I hope he will reemerge, if only a corpse. Sarah also appeared on the Season 2 DVD so I imagine she's still around OOG for filming, we definitely need closure on her as Season 1 gave her too much screen time to think she's insignificant. Though it appears she was only an actress in the film we know that it was the cast and crew that were cursed, no one else. I know Season 1 wasn't too heavy on the writing or story but if we even get a Jessica like entry similar to 76 that would do me. And they have to go into Amy's character, they have to. Think of Entry 70, the picture of her in Tim's apartment, they can't just set her up and then just drop the character.


I'm not sure (and I don't mean this to sound accusatory at all) why you and TheOperator think that there needs to be "closure" on Sarah and Amy? They could both just be dead. Same with Seth. They're not all that crucial to the plot except as people somehow associated with the doomed MH project who went missing or maybe were killed and taken to TO's domain. If that's true and they're stuck there, they may very well be like "Bruce": corpses who've had their faces wiped away.

I've seen a lot of speculation on here that either that Amy's someone who may be left for Alex "to save" or may somehow may otherwise be alive but in danger. But she may just be gone, possibly by Alex's hand. I don't know if some keep speculating that she's out there out of some hope for the character or out of some hope that Alex couldn't have been so far gone either to complete insanity or complete evil that he'd kill his girlfriend. (Of course, insanity or evil may have little to do with it--it could be that he somehow came to think that he "had" to get her out of the way, maybe because she'd somehow become tainted by exposure to TO? I saw that photo left at Tim's as being a token of some sort of longing out of regret rather than longing out of a desire to save or free Amy.)

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 		Season 3 is odd. It has fantastic entries like #59, #64, #65, #72, #80 and #82(though if we get nothing else about the tunnel then 82 won't be so great any more) but also shockingly bad ones like #74, #76, #81 and #84. Personally I would also specify that the quality in season 3 has only been seriously dwindling lately. After #72 it's had some serious ups and downs and the lack of answers so late into the story is also worrying.

lonsumtravlr wrote:
I'm not sure (and I don't mean this to sound accusatory at all) why you and TheOperator think that there needs to be "closure" on Sarah and Amy? They could both just be dead. Same with Seth. They're not all that crucial to the plot except as people somehow associated with the doomed MH project who went missing or maybe were killed and taken to TO's domain. If that's true and they're stuck there, they may very well be like "Bruce": corpses who've had their faces wiped away.


Not all that crucial to the plot is an understatement. At this point it's hard to see why they're even part of the plot at all. There are hints that Amy serves as Alex's motivation, though if she's simply dead then her character is an uninteresting dead end. Sarah on the other hand is just a name on the list of victims. Every other MH filming victim had something special about their disappearance save for her as far as we know, hell it hasn't even been special enough to show apparently.

And that's the thing, unless there is satisfactory closure, then they might as well have not ever been a part of the story.

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TheOperator wrote:
After #72 it's had some serious ups and downs...


I think this statement we agree on entirely. Though Entries #80 and #82 are quite excellent, and #83 has many fine moments.

TheOperator wrote:
Not all that crucial to the plot is an understatement. At this point it's hard to see why they're even part of the plot at all. There are hints that Amy serves as Alex's motivation, though if she's simply dead then her character is an uninteresting dead end. Sarah on the other hand is just a name on the list of victims. Every other MH filming victim had something special about their disappearance save for her as far as we know, hell it hasn't even been special enough to show apparently.

And that's the thing, unless there is satisfactory closure, then they might as well have not ever been a part of the story.


Here's the thing... they really aren't part of the plot except as likely victims of TO (and arguably of Alex) and on account of whatever contributions they made to Alex's movie. Sarah might have been around for other episodes early on (the woman who says "What's he doing?" at the end of Entry #12 sounds like her). But she may simply be gone. Same with Seth, who was needed in Season 3 so far mainly to add to the realism of the tape shown in Entry #54. I can see interpreting the series so far as indicating that Amy's Alex's motivation, but I don't think that's the only way to do so. Personally, I think she's just gone, and Alex likely had something to do with it and is filed with regret and carried the photo around to remember.

I do have to agree, though, that it's odd that Sarah's disappearance isn't caught on tape--if Alex is directly responsible for it, that is. That seems to be a serious hole. But who among us who isn't working on the MH production knows right now whether another secret tape showing it may or may not be coming?

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TheOperator wrote:
Season 3 is odd. It has fantastic entries like #59, #64, #65, #72, #80 and #82 but also shockingly bad ones like #76


Actually, we agree here. Those first six are stellar ( particularly Entry #82, even if there's no more mentioned about the tunnel, though I anticipate seeing it one more time at least), but Entry #76 is very bad. Some poor acting (I can't be the only one who thinks that Jessica may be the weakest link here; also, I like Joseph's line delivery, but it doesn't work here), some poor editing (TO's appearance during Jessica's apparent abduction doesn't make sense--it really seems edited in, very different from other TO appearances before an abduction, almost as if it's intentionally trying to suggest IG that Jessica was abducted), some poor writing--all from three guys who know their shit and how to make it. If there ever were a jumping the shark moment in this series, it would come at least somewhere in Entry #76. Most other weak segments of the series can I think be overlooked, but this one not so much.

EDIT: I think Entry #64 is one of the ten best entries of the entire series.

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 		I think 76 would have been one of my favourite entries if the contents of 82 were what directly followed it, rather than being saved for several entries later after Jay's arc has already ended. 76 is more about Jay than Jessica, as strange as that might sound-- it's motivation for him to go explore the tunnel once more and go looking for her. I just I dunno, maybe if there was some mention before 77 that Jay had decided to go look in the tunnel for any hints to Jessica's whereabouts, even if they didn't show it (especially if they didn't show it, just cut to Jay in the next entry pulling a knife on Tim), I think that would have justified the entry much more. Even still, I still like 76 a lot and have never had a problem with Jessica's acting.

And 84 is one of my favourite videos on YouTube.

I guess my point, my random "let me share my opinion too" point, is that the only entry I've legitimately disliked in the entire series is 82. Because I do not understand why we had to find out such a vital part to Jay's descent after he had already died. If we'd have known, it would have made his death feel much more tragic and depressing than it already was. We'd have seen his struggle, his attempt to make peace with Tim only for the Operator to ruin that and drag him deeper, so we'd have felt even sadder to see him ultimately go.

Unless the creators decided they want to go the route of "this series is one you have to rewatch and analyze just to get the full emotional catharsis," which hasn't been the case up until now, but if that becomes the case I see the ending being similar to 82-- not immediately resonant but unlocking the final clues and letting us try and decipher the ultimate puzzle that is the entire story.

Either way, I'm extremely curious to see where they decide to go with it. I haven't been this hyped over something in a very long time.

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Cyan507 wrote:
the quality has dwindled a bit in Season 3 lately.


Yeah, I wasn't gonna say anything, but I have noticed a bit of audio/video distortion in some of the recent entries.

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