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Cyan507 wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marblehornetsofficial

they made the unofficial page official a few months ago.


What I find fascinating about that page is the number of fans who reply there having just discovered that the series is fake. I can't believe it still fools people!

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 		When I say dwindling quality I mean the developments made in the story in certain Entries. Like most of you I think Entry #80 was amazing, as was #83. Entry #82 in my opinion was one of the most pointless Entries in the series. The main point that we come out with by the time it's over is that encountering TO made Jay aggressive enough to attack Tim in #78, but Jay already had enough reason to attack him because he simply thought Tim was responsible for Jessica's fate. Having him apologize on the phone and then suddenly turn angry again just seemed kind of sporadic and out of no-where. Now it was cool actually seeing someone pass through the tunnel successfully. (btw that effect that people talk about when the outside goes all white and you can't see what's outside is the auto-exposure on the camera adjusting to the darkness of the tunnel) And Jay revisiting the shack was interesting too, as well as the tower seen in the background. But none of that really seemed to have any bearing on the story and how it progressed. Alex wasn't there, Hoody wasn't there, Jessica wasn't there and neither was Amy. Granted TO was but to be fair he can be anywhere. Unless of course that Entry served to prove how violent TO can make people relative to the case of Alex, then I'm wrong. I wasn't a huge fan of Entry #81 but I knew we would have to see Tim's footage otherwise we'd be compelled to question his integrity as a narrator. I won't go into Entry #84 as that's been disputed and argued to death.

Please don't think I hate season 3 as I firmly agree it has some of the best moments of the whole series, the good Entries far outnumber the bad. Entry #59 is still one of my favorites if not favorite. But when we have Entries that don't really move us forward in terms of information or don't involve a significant event it's difficult to put them next to Entries that have been so memorable. I love season 3 and I think most of it is fantastic. And I understand that every show has it's ups and downs so it's fine.

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 		I thought that 82's significance was pretty clearly the implication that if TO was able to apparently brainwash Jay, maybe Alex was less in control of his actions than many people believed as well. Of course, if that idea or any other idea from that entry is never addressed in the remainder of the series then I'd agree we could probably have done without it. But I think we have to wait and see before we judge 82 completely, because it felt very much like an entry foreshadowing some event yet to occur (or some tape yet to be found, in this series).

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Cyan507 wrote:
Entry #82 in my opinion was one of the most pointless Entries in the series. The main point that we come out with by the time it's over is that encountering TO made Jay aggressive enough to attack Tim in #78, but Jay already had enough reason to attack him because he simply thought Tim was responsible for Jessica's fate. Having him apologize on the phone and then suddenly turn angry again just seemed kind of sporadic and out of no-where. Now it was cool actually seeing someone pass through the tunnel successfully. (btw that effect that people talk about when the outside goes all white and you can't see what's outside is the auto-exposure on the camera adjusting to the darkness of the tunnel) And Jay revisiting the shack was interesting too, as well as the tower seen in the background. But none of that really seemed to have any bearing on the story and how it progressed.


I can respect where you're coming from here, but I hold the complete opposite opinion. I liked seeing Jay apologetic. What the entry does well is finally confirm that Rosswood, at least the woods on the other side of that tunnel, really is shifting around. They had what seemed to be several different scenes that they'd been before all together at once. I thought Jay's apology was not only because he'd accused Tim of holding out on the tape for the wrong reason but also because he was both physically ill and also terrified by his immediate situation of being alone right in the middle of a shifting Rosswood. The only thing I didn't care for is that TO looked very different and for really the first time less-than-sinister when he appeared in the shack standing over Jay.

Honestly, I thought this entry did a lot more for the series (up to what's been posted thus far) than Entries #81 and #83 combined (the former was OK; the latter was really well done, but until the series is over, it's raised way too many questions and loosened too many ends--which arguably is what it's supposed to have done).

EDIT (along with a corrected typo): I'd figured as much about that effect in the tunnel, but Troy et al. really nailed that effect beautifully. It does a lot to create the mood of these characters entering a sort of interdimensional space or some space that's outside normal reality. I've rarely seen it done in other series, movies, or anything that well.

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DJay32 wrote:
I think 76 would have been one of my favourite entries if the contents of 82 were what directly followed it, rather than being saved for several entries later after Jay's arc has already ended. 76 is more about Jay than Jessica, as strange as that might sound-- it's motivation for him to go explore the tunnel once more and go looking for her. I just I dunno, maybe if there was some mention before 77 that Jay had decided to go look in the tunnel for any hints to Jessica's whereabouts, even if they didn't show it (especially if they didn't show it, just cut to Jay in the next entry pulling a knife on Tim), I think that would have justified the entry much more. Even still, I still like 76 a lot and have never had a problem with Jessica's acting.


Well, I can't agree with you on Jessica's acting (I think she was spot on in, what was it, Entry #32, where her character confronts Jay, and was pretty good in #52, but I just get the sense she's not really a dramatic actress--she seems like more of a stage comedy actress). And I can see your point that Entry #82 came a bit too late--the posthumous confession or epiphany and vow to make everything right is an old convention, but it's still a useful one.

I think the problem with #76 is that it not only seems rushed; it's strangely edited. The camera perspectives and scenes in the end--why there'd be a camera on Jessica as she got abducted by TO at the end, why that scene of Alex getting his gun back or else using another gun and apparently standing over whoever he just used it on, why TO wouldn't come after the camera man (arguably Brian/Hoody) or Tim/Masky when they apparently weren't working with TO or serving as "proxies" whatever that's come to mean, or why this is the one TO abduction caught on camera in which the appearance of TO comes from an earlier frame of the footage--all lead me to believe one of two statements about the entry is true: 1. IG it's fabricated to make Jay believe that Jessica's been abducted and maybe even killed and that Tim may have had something to do with it, or 2. OOG it's a rare poorly made entry in a series that has been mostly solid, especially as it's made by guys who I think still consider themselves amateurs.

I don't know much about film production, so I'm sure I'm fucking over some terms, but watch it closely, especially from where Jessica first encounters TO to where it gets wicked distorted, and then follow the remaining shots. The questions that were raised for me are these:

1. Where'd that shot of Alex and the gun come from, and who shot it (because you'd think that Alex would have shot her or him)?

2. Who shot the footage of Jessica and Tim on the path (even if you grant that the entry's been edited and that Tim may have just woken up there after coming out of a Masky episode and a long time has been cut out, there are questions not only of who shot the damn thing but of why the camera person didn't get Slendywiped or TO-abducted too)?

3. Why when TO appears to abduct Jessica on the path is there a frame from what seems to have been the previous night's attack, when in other TO appearances in which he abducts a character, he's shown as being clearly present?

I'll stop there so this doesn't get flagged as a post more appropriate for the Entry #76 thread, but Marble Hornets had been very, very, very consistent up to this point, and it's been pretty good since this entry, about having a clear camera/narrator perspective (even if we don't know who the heck the camera person is all the time). There's too much suspension of belief and of consistency required for it to work. So either it's meant to be an IG fake to play off of at least Jay's emotions (and maybe guilt), or it's a hastily done entry. It could be argued that it's an entry that heightens the mystery of the series--which it does... but it seems too gimmicky.

SO... to keep this pertinent to the anticipation thread... I'm anticipating that some sort of answer to these questions will be forthcoming, or else Entry #76 is a throwaway entry.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
DJay32 wrote:
I think 76 would have been one of my favourite entries if the contents of 82 were what directly followed it, rather than being saved for several entries later after Jay's arc has already ended. 76 is more about Jay than Jessica, as strange as that might sound-- it's motivation for him to go explore the tunnel once more and go looking for her. I just I dunno, maybe if there was some mention before 77 that Jay had decided to go look in the tunnel for any hints to Jessica's whereabouts, even if they didn't show it (especially if they didn't show it, just cut to Jay in the next entry pulling a knife on Tim), I think that would have justified the entry much more. Even still, I still like 76 a lot and have never had a problem with Jessica's acting.


Well, I can't agree with you on Jessica's acting (I think she was spot on in, what was it, Entry #32, where her character confronts Jay, and was pretty good in #52, but I just get the sense she's not really a dramatic actress--she seems like more of a stage comedy actress). And I can see your point that Entry #82 came a bit too late--the posthumous confession or epiphany and vow to make everything right is an old convention, but it's still a useful one.

I think the problem with #76 is that it not only seems rushed; it's strangely edited. The camera perspectives and scenes in the end--why there'd be a camera on Jessica as she got abducted by TO at the end, why that scene of Alex getting his gun back or else using another gun and apparently standing over whoever he just used it on, why TO wouldn't come after the camera man (arguably Brian/Hoody) or Tim/Masky when they apparently weren't working with TO or serving as "proxies" whatever that's come to mean, or why this is the one TO abduction caught on camera in which the appearance of TO comes from an earlier frame of the footage--all lead me to believe one of two statements about the entry is true: 1. IG it's fabricated to make Jay believe that Jessica's been abducted and maybe even killed and that Tim may have had something to do with it, or 2. OOG it's a rare poorly made entry in a series that has been mostly solid, especially as it's made by guys who I think still consider themselves amateurs.

I don't know much about film production, so I'm sure I'm fucking over some terms, but watch it closely, especially from where Jessica first encounters TO to where it gets wicked distorted, and then follow the remaining shots. The questions that were raised for me are these:

1. Where'd that shot of Alex and the gun come from, and who shot it (because you'd think that Alex would have shot her or him)?

2. Who shot the footage of Jessica and Tim on the path (even if you grant that the entry's been edited and that Tim may have just woken up there after coming out of a Masky episode and a long time has been cut out, there are questions not only of who shot the damn thing but of why the camera person didn't get Slendywiped or TO-abducted too)?

3. Why when TO appears to abduct Jessica on the path is there a frame from what seems to have been the previous night's attack, when in other TO appearances in which he abducts a character, he's shown as being clearly present?

I'll stop there so this doesn't get flagged as a post more appropriate for the Entry #76 thread, but Marble Hornets had been very, very, very consistent up to this point, and it's been pretty good since this entry, about having a clear camera/narrator perspective (even if we don't know who the heck the camera person is all the time). There's too much suspension of belief and of consistency required for it to work. So either it's meant to be an IG fake to play off of at least Jay's emotions (and maybe guilt), or it's a hastily done entry. It could be argued that it's an entry that heightens the mystery of the series--which it does... but it seems too gimmicky.

SO... to keep this pertinent to the anticipation thread... I'm anticipating that some sort of answer to these questions will be forthcoming, or else Entry #76 is a throwaway entry.


Can I just say that 76 would be a pointless entry if Jessica was actually alive and in the normal universe. The entry shows her dying, and so if she shows up, then what's the point of 76? Granted, if 76 showed her escaping, then we would know she's out there somewhere. But remember, 76 took place in late 2010. 3 and a half years ago. So if she lived, then she probably won't show up anyway now. So, in some ways, dying is better. Because then she might be in the ark/ slendy verse, so we don't have to worry about where she is Also, I think Jessica, like Bruce, was completely dead before disappearing, because there seems to be quite some time between her supposedly being shot by Alex and being taken by TO. Someone also said this, but I think that if the TO takes you away before you die, then you can't die the ark, so Jay would be alive, but, assuming Jessica is completely dead, then she will just lie in the ark forever.

Also, it don't think Sarah means anything anymore. People seem to think that every character has to have had a purpose, and her purpose was to be an actor in the film. We saw her in what, 2 entries in Season 1? One in the entry which shows Alex being a dick, and the other as ( I think ) the camera(wo)man in Entry 12.

Some questions will be answered, but not all of them. I think that's just right. People that don't want any answers are pretty stupid to be honest. The series would be wasted if I was all build up and no pay off for 5 years. And people that want every single question answered don't realise just how many loose ends there are to tie up. Also people should take season 1 as a grain of salt, because trosephim had no idea at the time they'd still be making entries now, so made it up as they went along even more so than they do now.



Also...


To keep this in the spirit of the anticipation thread,



WAIRS ENTRY 85

Also w00t, 100th post.

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Tim or someone is sitting and Joseph I think is standing in a field with lights doing something! Disturbing question is, WHO WAS CAMERA? Trosephim, my body is ready. They better be ready because I am going to fling my money at them like a monkey flings shit at curious teenagers! Unless the ending sucks. Then I will throw my shit money at something else! Gee, I sure hope the ending
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doesn't loop or something. Beginning is the end REGARDS ew
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Corte wrote:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/troywagner/marble-hornets-season-3-dvd/posts
Tim or someone is sitting and Joseph I think is standing in a field with lights doing something! Disturbing question is, WHO WAS CAMERA? Trosephim, my body is ready. They better be ready because I am going to fling my money at them like a monkey flings shit at curious teenagers! Unless the ending sucks. Then I will throw my shit money at something else! Gee, I sure hope the ending
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doesn't loop or something. Beginning is the end REGARDS ew
because signed bluray with tshirt sound swell. Too shy, shy, hush, hush for personal thank you video.


Or they're playing night wiffle ball but forgot the bat.

A loop ending would be tough to get right. But if there are clues from the various seasons that are pointing toward something BIG that we just haven't put together, then maybe that would be effective. (I'd love to know what the fuck was going on with those lights in "Deluge," for example, and who the woman who was saying "Alex" was.)

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 		I'd forgive a looping ending if only at the end Tim saw TO and said,
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"Oh, no! Please, not again! Have pity! Have mercy!"
Or a rephrasing of it. It would bring back some already nostalgic mindfuck. Smile

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 		How much do you have to give to have all the TTA stuff explained to you in detail?

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 		I'm not against a loop ending, but I'd reallllly prefer we didn't get one. In the last few months the Entries have been moving towards a conclusion. If we just go back to page 1 it'll feel like a bit of an anticlimax. Regardless of who lives, dies or wins, I just want it there to be a definite end.

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Cyan507 wrote:
I'm not against a loop ending, but I'd reallllly prefer we didn't get one. In the last few months the Entries have been moving towards a conclusion. If we just go back to page 1 it'll feel like a bit of an anticlimax. Regardless of who lives, dies or wins, I just want it there to be a definite end.
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The hands pulled him forward regardless. They were the hands of The Operator, the hands of The Slenderman, and they knew no mercy.


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 		Oh believe me, I find loops pretty annoying too unless they're incredibly well-handled. I don't foresee it happening, anyway. But I'm most okay with loop-related reveals when the ending involves the loop being finally broken for good.

On a different note, you know what'd be awesome? If they actually have a backlog of some entries for the endgame that they'd shot long in advance (probably flashback entries) so that despite how little time left the series has we suddenly get a whole bunch of entries really quickly in the final section. Will it happen? No. But it would be neat if they even had one or two pre-made entries ready and we end up getting a few more entries than their normal schedule for these last few months.

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TheJoker wrote:
Oh believe me, I find loops pretty annoying too unless they're incredibly well-handled. I don't foresee it happening, anyway. But I'm most okay with loop-related reveals when the ending involves the loop being finally broken for good.

On a different note, you know what'd be awesome? If they actually have a backlog of some entries for the endgame that they'd shot long in advance (probably flashback entries) so that despite how little time left the series has we suddenly get a whole bunch of entries really quickly in the final section. Will it happen? No. But it would be neat if they even had one or two pre-made entries ready and we end up getting a few more entries than their normal schedule for these last few months.


As regards to the loop thing, yeah, if it's well handed and is broken than it'd work.

Also for the backlog thing, I love it when series' have that (like EMH). It's just cool knowing when the creators plan stuff wayyyy in advance and show us old footage we haven't seen yet that completely changes our view on it.

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