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[Master of Octopi]

Edit: Ninja'd by knifebladepresents. Never listen to your wife in the middle of posting.

I don't think Vinny meant that they were characters in a story that wasn't real when he said they were fiction. His exact quote is:

"We are fiction... our lives were written for us."

Within the context of the conversation as a whole, I take that to mean that their past wasn't real, in the sense that they were false memories. Considering that Evan is incorrectly remembering Vinny's house as his own, and neither of them can remember the names of their family members, I think this makes the most sense.

Though, really, the difference is mostly academic.

[drseussicide]

I was literally about to post the same complaint. I think people are taking it a bit too literally. I think it just means their lives were "made up" whether to protect or hide them from whatever is going on.

[Lithp]

Master of Octopi said pretty much everything that I wanted to say in regards to the multiple inHABITation thing.

I am reeeeeally wary of this development, because a part of why I liked EMH so much is because it so mastered this sense of "this could really be happening." If this is all just some Big O-style meta commentary on movie making, that would be hugely disappointing to me.

That said, we don't really know much of where this is going yet. But I am pretty sure that, barring the previous hypothetical, I have taken literally everything that was clearly meant to be literal, no more, no less.

[SilentMedusa]

Also, I only got into the Slenderverse last spring, so I was way late to the party. When it came to EMH I took TV Tropes' advice and just used the timeline and watched the videos (since immersion has never been a thing to me, though I try to respect it for others). Can someone tell me where I can catch myself up on this "Mining Town Four" business? That doesn't ring any bells for me at all.

[Argoz]

[MC_Loki]

[Beidah]

Alright, so what I got out of this is that Vinny and Evan never had a family, and they've been apparently living together this whole time thinking they had two separate houses. Jeff, though, did have a family. His brother became pretty prominent and his parents definitely showed up in a hidden video. We never met Steph's family, and they apparently died before the series, so it's entirely likely they never existed either. What makes Jeff so special? Why did Jeff get an actual family and no one else?

[Lithp]

For newcomers, I recommend only skipping the Canyouseethewords stuff that WAS NOT posted by HABIT. Those are the only things, to my knowledge, which have never come back in any significant way.

Could be that Alex was never real. Let's say, for instance, that Slenderman is responsible for this fake reality shit. Likely suspect. If he created all of the fake family members, then this would explain why Alex is now one of his "dogs."

Obligatory disclaimer that this is just a hypothesis, & not even one that I would prefer.

[nirualos]

What if its like this. The characters were at some point created to fill very specific roles. They are more like concepts, and will behave in similar ways, independent of "iteration". They are fitted with new "memories", however, their personalities, to a certain extent transfers like Karma does.

[Lithp]

Should add that, towards the end, they implied that Jessa was one of the people that they forgot, but we HAVE seen her on screen. It has also been implied that, after her demise, Slenderman used her, or an illusion of her, at times.

[device]

So....I really didn't expect this to go in this direction.

Are they just unwitting actors on a set with lines to say and parts to play complete with vague backstories?

What about Daniel, Ryan, Jessalyn, Alex? Are they only bit-part players? Are they taken from the real world and put into the Hybrid's world to give the main characters love interests, to give them tragedies and motivation?
Is it just a "movie" Habit is making, with himself as the villian? After all, he does a lot of the editing and rewriting (the events we see happening, like Jeff and Vin's car wreck and Jeff's suicide) and even adds in background music.
We even see unexplained jump-cuts.

And, I guess, the main characters occasionally wander backstage into an empty world.

Are they just self-aware dolls then, in a world-sized dollhouse that Habit gets to play with?

And more importantly, why is Habit telling them this? Why the hints? What does he want them to do with this information?

What the everloving fuck is going on?

[Oransel]

Want something else to add into this mind screw? TribeTwelve connection.

[knifebladepresents]

[Malckeor]

For a moment, it felt like this series was finally jumping the shark (and it still could be), but I really don't think Vince meant what he said literally. "Our lives were written for us", I feel, implies some Iteration Theory shenanigans (sorry Lithp) in that HABIT and Slendy need these four "chosen ones" for some unstated reason; this is the only reason the Four exist, to serve the need they need to serve for these monsters (whatever the fuck that "need" may be). If you think about it in a non-fourth-wall-breaking way, it's actually kind of cool and makes quite a lot of sense. Every character except for Jeff and Alex have always felt a bit more...surreal compared to the others, in that they didn't seem to ever be spending time with family or have their own lives or anything like that. In terms of Jessa and the other "background"-people, that was a LONG time ago, so the point that Jeff is making in these other clips ("What was Jessalyn's hair color?") feels more...accurate...because of the length of time that's passed since these characters were seen on-camera. Cop-out or not, it adds up. Sort of.

As Oransel stated above, though, the strong connections to Tribe Twelve confuse me even further.

OOG:

[slendydreaming]

First, I have to say that I remember people commenting about the very thing that was mentioned in the second video, asking where their parents were and how come no one seemed to be checking up on them. This could very well be the answer, which leads to my next observation; these characters apparently are brought forth again and again to fight these monsters, each time being a cycle. IMO, this makes sense, especially when you think about how each time one of the guys meets someone special, they're ripped away. The whole point is to have these guys focus on the fight in front of them, so instead they're just given memories of parents/special people.

Remember all the way in the first season, when Jeff disappeared and they found House of Leaves in his room? That book was also about a house that defied the laws of physics, and a menacing threat, so it has to tie in somehow.