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I think Lithp has done the most fair summary of the video above.

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I think Vinny's a pretty decent actor, videos like Intermission and Next give me reason to believe he can pull through some good scenes. I think Jeff is by far the weakest actor. I've yet to see one video were he shows any emotion and doesn't lethargically trudge through every line. It's just Vin's character hasn't been given good scenes to reveal his spine and develop. Most of the videos nowadays are just Vinny being pushed around by HABIT and talking to himself figuring shit out like every other video in the verse. Other than Evan (who's likely the best actor in the verse) Vinny hasn't really been put against strong enough actors to share scenes with. I want to see Vinny standing up for himself, not like in Breaking the Lease but really taking a stand, screaming down at HABIT and letting him know where he stands. We know HABIT needs Vinny and he may know it too. It'd be good to see a little bad in good ol' Vin. Though if they did another crossover I'd love to see a scene between Noah Maxwell and Vinny under pressure as Adam's acting is quite good but doesn't outshine Vinny. Like I said before the crossovers don't help as MLA doesn't really have any real convincing actors and having an actor from both series share a scene where one clearly sounds like the don't want to act hurts both series. I can kind of see why Marble Hornets ended when they did.


See, I think Jeff is a fine actor. Evan's fantastic. After hearing "twigs" (which I did the first time today), I'm ready to bump up my estimation of Vinny's acting. Adam's not a bad actor.

As for the "seeing why MH ending when it did" because of an actor who "clearly sounds like he doesn't want to act" Smile ... Did you mean Troy (who seemed to be emailing in almost everything from Entry #65 on) or Joseph (who is quite adept at mugging and physical comedy but can't really say lines) here? (My guess is Troy, who in some later entries seemed to be just feeding Tim Sutton lines so he could showcase his talent.)


no no my bad I didn't clarify! I was talking about Shawn from MLA. I have no idea whether or not he's a good actor or not because I feel that ever since his character took centerstage in MLA he just had enough of the filming. Which I can understand as it's a commitment to make a series like this, and for the most part it doesn't pay so putting OOG stuff on holding can be a bit frustrating. Like when you see people like Adam or Evan acting, they clearly enjoy it and want to put as much as they into the performance as well as something extra but some actors seriously just look they want be told what to do then get out of there. Even though Troy's acting has gone in and out of quality I'm aware that he did attend acting classes around the end of Season 2 so at least the tried. But one thing to note is like Vinny, the character of Jay wasn't as textured and conflicted as Tim or Alex Kraile, so it didn't allow for Troy to showcase any real character motiv. Although I think Troy did a stellar job in Entry 77 and 78 playing a paranoid Jay. And while I agree Joseph struggles delivering lines I do think he does himself justice in Entry 85, in particular the line "You know where I'll be."

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Cyan507 wrote:
I think Lithp has done the most fair summary of the video above.


I think that Lithp has once again been much more fair than has been warranted (and I say this as a big fan of the EMH guys, just as I'm a THAC fan and defender of season three and their Lynch-induced variant of visual storytelling).

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no no my bad I didn't clarify! I was talking about Shawn from MLA. I have no idea whether or not he's a good actor or not because I feel that ever since his character took centerstage in MLA he just had enough of the filming. Which I can understand as it's a commitment to make a series like this, and for the most part it doesn't pay so putting OOG stuff on holding can be a bit frustrating. Like when you see people like Adam or Evan acting, they clearly enjoy it and want to put as much as they into the performance as well as something extra but some actors seriously just look they want be told what to do then get out of there. Even though Troy's acting has gone in and out of quality I'm aware that he did attend acting classes around the end of Season 2 so at least the tried. But one thing to note is like Vinny, the character of Jay wasn't as textured and conflicted as Tim or Alex Kraile, so it didn't allow for Troy to showcase any real character motiv. Although I think Troy did a stellar job in Entry 77 and 78 playing a paranoid Jay. And while I agree Joseph struggles delivering lines I do think he does himself justice in Entry 85, in particular the line "You know where I'll be."


Ah, OK. I've not yet watched MLA. I really only watch two of the "Big Five": Marble Hornets and EMH. And I don't go for all of the crossovers, so I know I'm not getting a full picture here of the latter. Otherwise I just follow intermittently the lesser-known shows (I only watched "Clover in Chicago" because the character started off as a Masshole like me) and am waiting for JustAcquaintances to resume filming or for Michael's Camera to post again (because it's gotten very good since the reboot started, and I like it better than most of his other projects).

I actually liked Jay's seeming stoicism. If anything, I think it made Troy a better actor, because it helped him focus on the darker aspects of his humor while cutting out a lot of the humor. That may not make sense, at least grammatically, but I'm writing in a rush.

Sorry to get this off track here. Basically, I share in the disappointment of "Blue Room" with all of those who were disappointed in it. The EMH guys can do far better.

EDIT: I also have listened to "twigs" multiple times since actually giving it a first listen yesterday. In part because I know Stroudsburg and Tannersville from having to pass through them on the bus between my family's NE PA home and my home near Boston. In large part because it's pretty damn great and lightyears beyond the creepypasta that apparently inspired it? ("Voice of the Woods"? That was rather meh.)

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I liked "Blue Room." Just for the record.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
I think Lithp has done the most fair summary of the video above.


I think that Lithp has once again been much more fair than has been warranted (and I say this as a big fan of the EMH guys, just as I'm a THAC fan and defender of season three and their Lynch-induced variant of visual storytelling).

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no no my bad I didn't clarify! I was talking about Shawn from MLA. I have no idea whether or not he's a good actor or not because I feel that ever since his character took centerstage in MLA he just had enough of the filming. Which I can understand as it's a commitment to make a series like this, and for the most part it doesn't pay so putting OOG stuff on holding can be a bit frustrating. Like when you see people like Adam or Evan acting, they clearly enjoy it and want to put as much as they into the performance as well as something extra but some actors seriously just look they want be told what to do then get out of there. Even though Troy's acting has gone in and out of quality I'm aware that he did attend acting classes around the end of Season 2 so at least the tried. But one thing to note is like Vinny, the character of Jay wasn't as textured and conflicted as Tim or Alex Kraile, so it didn't allow for Troy to showcase any real character motiv. Although I think Troy did a stellar job in Entry 77 and 78 playing a paranoid Jay. And while I agree Joseph struggles delivering lines I do think he does himself justice in Entry 85, in particular the line "You know where I'll be."


Ah, OK. I've not yet watched MLA. I really only watch two of the "Big Five": Marble Hornets and EMH. And I don't go for all of the crossovers, so I know I'm not getting a full picture here of the latter. Otherwise I just follow intermittently the lesser-known shows (I only watched "Clover in Chicago" because the character started off as a Masshole like me) and am waiting for JustAcquaintances to resume filming or for Michael's Camera to post again (because it's gotten very good since the reboot started, and I like it better than most of his other projects).

I actually liked Jay's seeming stoicism. If anything, I think it made Troy a better actor, because it helped him focus on the darker aspects of his humor while cutting out a lot of the humor. That may not make sense, at least grammatically, but I'm writing in a rush.

Sorry to get this off track here. Basically, I share in the disappointment of "Blue Room" with all of those who were disappointed in it. The EMH guys can do far better.

EDIT: I also have listened to "twigs" multiple times since actually giving it a first listen yesterday. In part because I know Stroudsburg and Tannersville from having to pass through them on the bus between my family's NE PA home and my home near Boston. In large part because it's pretty damn great and lightyears beyond the creepypasta that apparently inspired it? ("Voice of the Woods"? That was rather meh.)


Not quite sure where this "big five" idea came from. Last I check it was big three. I wouldn't mind throwing in DH with the greats simply because of the incredible amount of work they put in. But I wouldn't put MLA in with the top series, no offence to Dylan and the other creators but it's not in the same ballpark as EMH, TT, DH and MH. If there were to be a big five I'd put either CaughtnotSleeping or WhisperedFaith next. Even though it isn't slenderman WhisperedFaith should be up there and get a fucking webby. If you haven't watched that show WATCH IT NOW. They have the perfect genderswap of HABIT if you're a fan of his. I started following CIC as well and I'm really enjoying it, it's one of the few series out there that has a girl protag that doesn't keep reminding us that they're a girl. Can I ask what's a Masshole? I haven't watched those and truth be told I don't watch many of the small series, which I honestly should. I contributed to the de-railing but tl;dr, I am too disappointed by this video, EverymanHYBRID are a Grade-A online series and they handed up C- work. I need to watch twigs.

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Why is anyone hung up on the stupid window?
This is HABIT's house.
It's part of his pocket universe now. He controls the exits and entrances.
Remember how Evan and Vinny tried to get out the front door, and couldn't? It would only open at Habit's will (with him nowhere near the door). Perhaps Vinny knows more about his situation now after living with him for so long?

Anyway, I notice that Michael has just woken up in an unknown location... (MLANDERSEN0) Kidnapped by Habit? Was Vinny there when Habit was claiming that Patrick is just another possessing spirit like Habit? Maybe he was planting the seeds of distrust in both Vinny and Sean's minds... so when Michael does show up, they're more likely to try to kill him right off the bat?

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Cyan507 wrote:
Not quite sure where this "big five" idea came from. Last I check it was big three. I wouldn't mind throwing in DH with the greats simply because of the incredible amount of work they put in. But I wouldn't put MLA in with the top series, no offence to Dylan and the other creators but it's not in the same ballpark as EMH, TT, DH and MH. If there were to be a big five I'd put either CaughtnotSleeping or WhisperedFaith next. Even though it isn't slenderman WhisperedFaith should be up there and get a fucking webby. If you haven't watched that show WATCH IT NOW. They have the perfect genderswap of HABIT if you're a fan of his. I started following CIC as well and I'm really enjoying it, it's one of the few series out there that has a girl protag that doesn't keep reminding us that they're a girl. Can I ask what's a Masshole? I haven't watched those and truth be told I don't watch many of the small series, which I honestly should. I contributed to the de-railing but tl;dr, I am too disappointed by this video, EverymanHYBRID are a Grade-A online series and they handed up C- work. I need to watch twigs.


I've heard the "Big Five" thrown around on occasion, but you're right that it's usually a "Big Three" that's referred to.

A "Masshole" is someone from Eastern Massachusetts around Boston--at least that's now how it's used. People from other New Engalnd states (especially New Hampshire and Maine, which aren't that far) and even from Western Massachusetts used it as a not-too-glowing epithet for us in large part because of our driving (we're pretty damn bad, it's true, up there), in part, and now also because so many people from Mass are moving in there. But it's become something of a point of pride.

CIC's character early on is from Reading, Mass., which is about fifteen miles from where I live (I live in the same city that produced Jack Kerouac, Micky Ward, and Michael Chiklis).

Been meaning to check out "Whispered Faith". I'm more interested from a storytelling perspective than anything else--that's how I got into MH and EMH. That's another Jersey or PA series? I prefer anything close to home (for me) like that. EDIT: I forgot JustAcquaintances, another Jersey series. After (we'll revise the figure) the Big Three, that's a great one--not Slender either, but really great, at least in the first season. They've been on a longer hiatus than EMH has been.

"twigs" maybe isn't revolutionary, or anything, but it's a lovely little throwback to radio shows. They did a great job--it's Vinny (who has a perfect deejay voice) and I think Jeff (as another deejay). The story this was inspired by is shite, but this is pretty coo. YOu don't watch it, you listen. All audio.

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I had a much larger rant, but I decided that it shouldn't see the light of day, first because it was so damn TL;DR & second because I thought it retreaded too much of what has already been said. I also wanted to address the various defenses. This is actually the first video I've walked away from thinking I didn't like anything about it, so I damn well hope they have a plan for the Blue Room, or at the very least, they won't continue with anything along these lines.

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This is actually the first video I've walked away from...

Lithp wrote:
I had a much larger rant, but I decided that it shouldn't see the light of day, first because it was so damn TL;DR & second because I thought it retreaded too much of what has already been said. I also wanted to address the various defenses. This is actually the first video I've walked away from thinking I didn't like anything about it, so I damn well hope they have a plan for the Blue Room, or at the very least, they won't continue with anything along these lines.


Have to agree here. I've at least liked everything else, and the episode that preceded it wa damn good.

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As sure as I am that this isn't *intended* to be the end of EMH - I believe Jeff when he says that we'll know the end when we see it, and I point-blank refuse to believe that the guys seriously planned an ending this weak considering how ambitious the series has always been - at the same time I felt a weird sense of finality watching this video.

Part of it is simply the way the video underscores just how much of a corner EMH has now written itself into. This is a video consisting of literally one character in a room by himself, and that's kind of what the series is reduced to. There's HABIT, of course, but HABIT doesn't really strike me as a character who can carry a series by himself, so at the moment it feels like once Vinny's done, EMH is done.

Part of it is the way the video seems to be implying that time genuinely is running out for Vince, if it hasn't already. Aside from the countdown motif, you have a substantial proportion of the video consisting of him saying what he obviously believes could be his final goodbyes to the fans, and you have those edited-in shots of the main characters from back at the beginning, which is a classic "We're coming to the end of the road so here's one last look back at the people we shared it with" motif. You could literally use those black and white shots as the end credits of the series without alteration.

But what really makes this feel like the end for me is just how sparse the episode is. It involves no special effects, only one cast member, and an absolutely minimal amount of editing and effort. If this is what they are reduced to because they cannot get people's schedules together enough to produce anything even slightly more involved, then the series is basically done: even if they do have more story to tell, it's painfully obvious that the practicalities of the situation won't ever allow them to do it - at least, not in a timescale that would hold the interest of more than a tiny handful of diehards.

I mean, look at the video again. There isn't even any camera distortion or anything like that. There's absolutely space in an amateur-made supernatural horror web series for an episode revolving around just one character sat in a room. At the same time, I can't believe they planned to have no payoff in the video more involved than the lights turning off. I'm sure it's down to more factors than just laziness, but on the other hand if you saw this video out of context - if, say, it was the first video you saw of a SlendySeries you otherwise hadn't heard of and didn't have the reputation of EMH - you'd laugh it off as the laziest excuse for a horror video you'd ever seen.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
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Not quite sure where this "big five" idea came from. Last I check it was big three. I wouldn't mind throwing in DH with the greats simply because of the incredible amount of work they put in. But I wouldn't put MLA in with the top series, no offence to Dylan and the other creators but it's not in the same ballpark as EMH, TT, DH and MH. If there were to be a big five I'd put either CaughtnotSleeping or WhisperedFaith next. Even though it isn't slenderman WhisperedFaith should be up there and get a fucking webby. If you haven't watched that show WATCH IT NOW. They have the perfect genderswap of HABIT if you're a fan of his. I started following CIC as well and I'm really enjoying it, it's one of the few series out there that has a girl protag that doesn't keep reminding us that they're a girl. Can I ask what's a Masshole? I haven't watched those and truth be told I don't watch many of the small series, which I honestly should. I contributed to the de-railing but tl;dr, I am too disappointed by this video, EverymanHYBRID are a Grade-A online series and they handed up C- work. I need to watch twigs.


I've heard the "Big Five" thrown around on occasion, but you're right that it's usually a "Big Three" that's referred to.

A "Masshole" is someone from Eastern Massachusetts around Boston--at least that's now how it's used. People from other New Engalnd states (especially New Hampshire and Maine, which aren't that far) and even from Western Massachusetts used it as a not-too-glowing epithet for us in large part because of our driving (we're pretty damn bad, it's true, up there), in part, and now also because so many people from Mass are moving in there. But it's become something of a point of pride.

CIC's character early on is from Reading, Mass., which is about fifteen miles from where I live (I live in the same city that produced Jack Kerouac, Micky Ward, and Michael Chiklis).

Been meaning to check out "Whispered Faith". I'm more interested from a storytelling perspective than anything else--that's how I got into MH and EMH. That's another Jersey or PA series? I prefer anything close to home (for me) like that. EDIT: I forgot JustAcquaintances, another Jersey series. After (we'll revise the figure) the Big Three, that's a great one--not Slender either, but really great, at least in the first season. They've been on a longer hiatus than EMH has been.

"twigs" maybe isn't revolutionary, or anything, but it's a lovely little throwback to radio shows. They did a great job--it's Vinny (who has a perfect deejay voice) and I think Jeff (as another deejay). The story this was inspired by is shite, but this is pretty coo. YOu don't watch it, you listen. All audio.


Thanks for clearing that up, not being from the US a lot of the idioms and terms used between states goes over my head. It's cool you live near her though, though in theory anyone here who lives in the states is just a drive away from any of the the big series sets and actors.

If you're interested in storytelling go to WhisperedFaith, they got it all dude, they really push to do something different, and I'm not referring to the Rake. The closest series to me are all in the UK, and some have been god awful, though photofugitive have one of the best rigs I've seen thus far.

Twigs reminds me of the Orson Welles War of the Worlds broadcast which really should be noted as one of the first forms of ARG I think. It's all audio and can be found on Youtube. It turns 76 on Thursday and it still hasn't been topped.

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As sure as I am that this isn't *intended* to be the end of EMH - I believe Jeff when he says that we'll know the end when we see it, and I point-blank refuse to believe that the guys seriously planned an ending this weak considering how ambitious the series has always been - at the same time I felt a weird sense of finality watching this video.


I agree with this & the subsequent paragraphs, & I'm not really sure why it is that way. If it's supposed to be a fake-out, why tell us it's not the ending? Or is that just supposed to be a middleground to appease the fans who are concerned about the ending? And what's going to happen after this? Are we going to have a blatant reiteration hard reboot? Are characters like Corenthal going to come back in to bolster the cast? Does this video only exist to make us ask questions? Is that a good thing?

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But what really makes this feel like the end for me is just how sparse the episode is. It involves no special effects, only one cast member, and an absolutely minimal amount of editing and effort. If this is what they are reduced to because they cannot get people's schedules together enough to produce anything even slightly more involved, then the series is basically done: even if they do have more story to tell, it's painfully obvious that the practicalities of the situation won't ever allow them to do it - at least, not in a timescale that would hold the interest of more than a tiny handful of diehards.


That's something that I thought of, & on that kind of time-to-content scale, I don't think even I could be willing to follow it, so if this is what's going on, I'd think a move to blog format might be for the best. EMH always did have interesting written material.

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I mean, look at the video again. There isn't even any camera distortion or anything like that. There's absolutely space in an amateur-made supernatural horror web series for an episode revolving around just one character sat in a room. At the same time, I can't believe they planned to have no payoff in the video more involved than the lights turning off. I'm sure it's down to more factors than just laziness, but on the other hand if you saw this video out of context - if, say, it was the first video you saw of a SlendySeries you otherwise hadn't heard of and didn't have the reputation of EMH - you'd laugh it off as the laziest excuse for a horror video you'd ever seen.


To go off on a bit of a tangent here, I'm not saying that anyone who liked this video has bad taste, but I am confused at how they didn't find it predictable, & think they would like a better video just as much, if not better.

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If you're interested in storytelling go to WhisperedFaith, they got it all dude, they really push to do something different, and I'm not referring to the Rake.


Part of me wants to ask what it's about, but the other part of me thinks I don't have time even if I do like the synopsis.

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Part of me wants to ask what it's about, but the other part of me thinks I don't have time even if I do like the synopsis.


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I won't go into crazy details about it because this isn't the right thread for it, but it basically combines all of the parts I liked about early EverymanHYBRID (interesting locations, a decent cast, and a solid starting and driving question/premise) and DarkHarvest00 (shadowy organizations, actual, permanent consequences for the characters, relatively realistic situations that don't stretch verisimilitude beyond its fragile breaking point). It takes those, adds its own spin, and moves in a different direction. The acting isn't for everyone, and the pacing can be off sometimes, but it rarely lags or bogs down in useless entries. Plus it crossed over with Keratin Garden, if you're into that series.


As for the latest EverymanHYBRID entry, I dunno. I liked it. It feels oddly placed in the context of the previous entry. The countdown was a weird device that could've been used better, but I didn't feel enough panic coming from Vinnie for me to ever actually feel edgy about it. I'd like more exposition than we're getting, which is essentially none ('cept we confirmed Vinnie is alive and can presumably post things).

One thing interesting that I haven't seen brought up is that Vinnie mentioned that he thought he kept hearing Jeff downstairs. It was offhand and seemed like it could be written off as Vinnie just hearing things, but it has me wondering. After Jeff's appearance in TribeTwelve's "Bridge to Nowhere," it seems possible that some aspect of Jeff is still hanging around. Could be that he's tied to HABIT's realm and that's where Vinnie has been kept. Or maybe the weirdness from "The Property" and Vinnie's expository revelation in "Le premier cours" isn't limited to spatial manipulation, and there's some time stuff going on, though I doubt it. Or maybe the next iteration is starting, as Lithp brought up.

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Is it possible he kept thinking he heard Jeff downstairs because it was Jeff's room he was trapped in?

A side note: until multiple people here and at TV Tropes said so, I didn't realize this was Vinny. Due to a) the number of F bombs dropped and b) not remembering what their voices sound like, I thought it was Evan! I thought HABIT had left him trapped in the bedroom of the person inHABITed Evan tortured to death, and was possibly walking around in Vinny's body and causing chaos. Maybe I should do a little rewatching... Embarassed

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I really hope we get another video soon. Because if this is the best they can do for next few months then I think I'll move on.

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Cyan507 wrote:
I really hope we get another video soon. Because if this is the best they can do for next few months then I think I'll move on.


Sadly, I'm getting to that point.

And, though I hate to divert from EMH on its own thread once again, just started watching WhisperedFaith, and, yes, that's very great as well.

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