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Neroslol wrote:
Im not sure if its been stated since im only on page 6 of the posts, but with quadrant we came up with "I CAN NOT HELP" in lieu with the twitter messages. I'm starting to think Tim (who has the MH twitter/youtube passwords) posted the coded message on the MH twitter. Because if you watch the videos that are synched, we have come to the conclusion that Jay was shot while Tim was searching for his pills while he was having a coughing fit. Whenever he has these fits, hes been known to black out for hours on end, rendering him being useless to save Jay and which would explain the "I CAN NOT HELP" message.

its just some observations I noticed. Refute/discuss as you will
Great entry by the way!

I don't know if that's the case, but good catch. I'd almost forgotten about the fact that Masky has (likely) been a part of totheark in the past, and could post stuff. Regarding "I CAN NOT HELP" being before Jay getting shot, I wouldn't say that. It was posted before the footage of Jay getting shot was posted, but we don't know the exact timeline. Quadrant could have been posted either before, during, or after the events of Entry 80. It definitely sounds kind of sad, which is increasingly leading me to think it was a response to the events that were either happening or had happened.

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 		Right, and to go on a little further we assumed (when everyone was on the quadrant thread) that the MH twitter posted that coded message near/during the time of jay being taken by TO. Which in entry 81 (if you check the entry 80/81 side by side vid) its alongside Tim on the verge of passing out, I'm thinking Tim must've blacked out and sent that message (and quadrant being a reply to entry 80. ) Just some thoughts I'm throwing out there.

Ps: ill edit some more details here once I have more free time to dig into this, but at this point id say take it with a grain of salt

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 		I like that some people are trying to fit the recent TTA videos into the picture; I don't have no clue on those though. I only know that nearly everyone currently in the game has been labeled liar.

I still don't trust Tim. We still don't know why he went into Benedict Hall at night. Remember, he fled there because he caught a glimpse of Alex in broad daylight without being seen himself. Then, after he had passed out for several hours in the backseat of his car, he decides it would be now safer to go back there in the dark and stumble and scream around.

I also find the way he react to Jay curious. I mean, he just discovered that Jay is not tied up in his home, but instead followed him there and is creeping around. His reaction: Mhmm, what the hell, maybe this manhole leads to the archive. Can't get it open. So I try again tomorrow. Jay's here too? Don't care.

He is still hiding something from us, even though he did his best to get our (the viewers) trust. Remember the message from "Conversion": Never cured. Never, never trust.

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 		Tim saw entry 78 and gave up with trying to save Jay. That's what I think.

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Ascalondion wrote:
I like that some people are trying to fit the recent TTA videos into the picture; I don't have no clue on those though. I only know that nearly everyone currently in the game has been labeled liar.

I still don't trust Tim. We still don't know why he went into Benedict Hall at night. Remember, he fled there because he caught a glimpse of Alex in broad daylight without being seen himself. Then, after he had passed out for several hours in the backseat of his car, he decides it would be now safer to go back there in the dark and stumble and scream around.

I also find the way he react to Jay curious. I mean, he just discovered that Jay is not tied up in his home, but instead followed him there and is creeping around. His reaction: Mhmm, what the hell, maybe this manhole leads to the archive. Can't get it open. So I try again tomorrow. Jay's here too? Don't care.

He is still hiding something from us, even though he did his best to get our (the viewers) trust. Remember the message from "Conversion": Never cured. Never, never trust.


You have to remember though that the last time Jay was near Tim he was going to attack him. If Jay was loose then Tim knew someone probably helped him get loose so how was he to know that maybe he wouldn't have to deal with a MAJORLY pissed off Jay and then another person?

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Ztakk wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
I like that some people are trying to fit the recent TTA videos into the picture; I don't have no clue on those though. I only know that nearly everyone currently in the game has been labeled liar.

I still don't trust Tim. We still don't know why he went into Benedict Hall at night. Remember, he fled there because he caught a glimpse of Alex in broad daylight without being seen himself. Then, after he had passed out for several hours in the backseat of his car, he decides it would be now safer to go back there in the dark and stumble and scream around.

I also find the way he react to Jay curious. I mean, he just discovered that Jay is not tied up in his home, but instead followed him there and is creeping around. His reaction: Mhmm, what the hell, maybe this manhole leads to the archive. Can't get it open. So I try again tomorrow. Jay's here too? Don't care.

He is still hiding something from us, even though he did his best to get our (the viewers) trust. Remember the message from "Conversion": Never cured. Never, never trust.


You have to remember though that the last time Jay was near Tim he was going to attack him. If Jay was loose then Tim knew someone probably helped him get loose so how was he to know that maybe he wouldn't have to deal with a MAJORLY pissed off Jay and then another person?


I think we're underestimating Tim's intelligence here, I bet he guessed that the reason Jay was free had to do with Hoody.
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I like that some people are trying to fit the recent TTA videos into the picture; I don't have no clue on those though. I only know that nearly everyone currently in the game has been labeled liar.

I still don't trust Tim. We still don't know why he went into Benedict Hall at night. Remember, he fled there because he caught a glimpse of Alex in broad daylight without being seen himself. Then, after he had passed out for several hours in the backseat of his car, he decides it would be now safer to go back there in the dark and stumble and scream around.

I also find the way he react to Jay curious. I mean, he just discovered that Jay is not tied up in his home, but instead followed him there and is creeping around. His reaction: Mhmm, what the hell, maybe this manhole leads to the archive. Can't get it open. So I try again tomorrow. Jay's here too? Don't care.

He is still hiding something from us, even though he did his best to get our (the viewers) trust. Remember the message from "Conversion": Never cured. Never, never trust.


I think Tim went back to Benedict Hall because he was worried about the gunshot.

As for seeing Jay in the dark basement, Tim doesn't say whether he knew it was Jay or not, which is worrying. The best we could hope for is that Tim mistook Jay for Hoody in that light. But he doesn't say, so yeah, disconcerting. If Tim did know it was Jay, it goes against what he said in Entry #80, that he left Jay behind to keep him from getting hurt. If Tim really didn't want Jay coming to harm, he'd have taken the risk of confronting him right then and there, rather than just leaving Jay to stumble into bulletsville. Could Tim be hiding something else? He edited out some of his footage, too. Maybe he caught Jay clearly on camera during the stalking in the dark scene and didn't want us to see that... that'd make for a chilling TTA video. Hoody had the chance to get Tim's camera while he was passed out. We'll see.

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kurthnaga wrote:
(Notice: Henceforth, Marble Hornets (the person) will be ignored by myself until he chooses to act more courteously to the people of these forums)

Following up on my biblical connections on Page 10, I was reading the Noah's Ark excerpt of the bible from the NIV version to see if I could find something else. One verse stuck out to me:

13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. (Genesis 6:13 NIV)

Now, this is going in a slightly different direction than my other post, but as this is a theory, it is bound to evolve. Here is what I propose:

The Operator is the creator - the founder, whatever you want to call him. He is why the Earth exists. But he sees these sins. He sees the terrors. And as such, he has come to the same decision as God - he will flood the Earth. He chose Alex from a young age (Hence the birthday party entry) and has been using Alex to build an ark - and store others inside - Sarah, Seth, Brian, Tim, and Jay. The catch is that to enter the ark, you must be near death - you have to be in what I'm going to call the crossing over. When you're in the crossing over is when the Operator can grab you - all of those times he shows up, he's just checking to see how close to the point you are where he can help.

ToTheArk is one who knows of TO's plans, but was not included in the animals to be loaded into the ark. Now, you must understand why he would take offense to that. So he has two plans going at the same time - 1. Get on the ark. But if that fails, there's plan 2. Stop TO.

There's are most likely tons of holes in this theory, but I think that with flooding of Benedict Hall and the mention of the ARChives, this theory can very well apply to the direction of TO's intentions.

I'm starting to like this theory.
And it would explain why TO would take Jay, Jessica, Seth, Sarah, Amy, etc.
But why Bruce? He was most certainly dead when TO took him.
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FalloutGhoul wrote:
kurthnaga wrote:
(Notice: Henceforth, Marble Hornets (the person) will be ignored by myself until he chooses to act more courteously to the people of these forums)

Following up on my biblical connections on Page 10, I was reading the Noah's Ark excerpt of the bible from the NIV version to see if I could find something else. One verse stuck out to me:

13 So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. (Genesis 6:13 NIV)

Now, this is going in a slightly different direction than my other post, but as this is a theory, it is bound to evolve. Here is what I propose:

The Operator is the creator - the founder, whatever you want to call him. He is why the Earth exists. But he sees these sins. He sees the terrors. And as such, he has come to the same decision as God - he will flood the Earth. He chose Alex from a young age (Hence the birthday party entry) and has been using Alex to build an ark - and store others inside - Sarah, Seth, Brian, Tim, and Jay. The catch is that to enter the ark, you must be near death - you have to be in what I'm going to call the crossing over. When you're in the crossing over is when the Operator can grab you - all of those times he shows up, he's just checking to see how close to the point you are where he can help.

ToTheArk is one who knows of TO's plans, but was not included in the animals to be loaded into the ark. Now, you must understand why he would take offense to that. So he has two plans going at the same time - 1. Get on the ark. But if that fails, there's plan 2. Stop TO.

There's are most likely tons of holes in this theory, but I think that with flooding of Benedict Hall and the mention of the ARChives, this theory can very well apply to the direction of TO's intentions.

I'm starting to like this theory.
And it would explain why TO would take Jay, Jessica, Seth, Sarah, Amy, etc.
But why Bruce? He was most certainly dead when TO took him.


A mistake - Alex believes he should be on this mission by himself - if Jay keeps following him, he's going to die instead of get a chance aboard the ark. I don't really have a good answer for this. Very Happy.
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kurthnaga wrote:
Wall of text about religious analogies.


I like the idea of comparing Tim to Adam, Alex to Eve, and filming the Operator to eating the apple, because if you recall, Alex gave Tim a camera to film thing behind the scenes, and he ended up catching the Operator on camera himself (54, 56) which seemingly led to the early origins of Masky (Running off to the hospital in 57).

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Sites like reddit or neogaf would probably tear you guys apart (and have a field day in doing so)


Yeah, but that's because the specific people there who would tear us apart are assholes, so I don't really care.

My only real theory about the next entry is Tim will black out, and he and Hoody will go have some encounter with Alex. Potentially, Masky could post the video, or Hoody could, depending on who lives. I believe this because the only big lead in from the last entry was Tim being out of meds and blacking out.

Just for the record, Tim out of meds was new. Her wasn't out of them in 75, he had some extras, enough until another refill. He then presumably brought them with him in 77, which was confirmed this entry. Now they're gone. Have we by the way considered that Tim can't get more meds because he is simply too scared to go back to Rosswood Park town?
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 		But... but wasn't he just... I've just realized I have no real grasp on the geography of this series.

Sadly, this entry means that Tim deliberately going Masky probably won't happen because now he won't have a choice in the matter anyway. Closest thing would be that he announces he's quitting and decides to just wait for Masky to take over instead of actively trying to prevent it.

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DHawk314 wrote:
kurthnaga wrote:
Wall of text about religious analogies.


I like the idea of comparing Tim to Adam, Alex to Eve, and filming the Operator to eating the apple, because if you recall, Alex gave Tim a camera to film thing behind the scenes, and he ended up catching the Operator on camera himself (54, 56) which seemingly led to the early origins of Masky (Running off to the hospital in 57).


Wasn't it the case that Tim had probably OP encounters since his childhood? Though we have no straight conformation on this, it is highly likely that Tim was ... well... TO infested already before the shooting of MH startet. And maybe Alex too, depending on how much weight you put on enttry 37.

Don't want to say you and the "fall of (slender)man" theory is wrong, but I don't believe it and therefore volunteer for testing it. Wink

/edited for mess-uped quotes.

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kurthnaga wrote:
Ztakk wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
I like that some people are trying to fit the recent TTA videos into the picture; I don't have no clue on those though. I only know that nearly everyone currently in the game has been labeled liar.

I still don't trust Tim. We still don't know why he went into Benedict Hall at night. Remember, he fled there because he caught a glimpse of Alex in broad daylight without being seen himself. Then, after he had passed out for several hours in the backseat of his car, he decides it would be now safer to go back there in the dark and stumble and scream around.

I also find the way he react to Jay curious. I mean, he just discovered that Jay is not tied up in his home, but instead followed him there and is creeping around. His reaction: Mhmm, what the hell, maybe this manhole leads to the archive. Can't get it open. So I try again tomorrow. Jay's here too? Don't care.

He is still hiding something from us, even though he did his best to get our (the viewers) trust. Remember the message from "Conversion": Never cured. Never, never trust.


You have to remember though that the last time Jay was near Tim he was going to attack him. If Jay was loose then Tim knew someone probably helped him get loose so how was he to know that maybe he wouldn't have to deal with a MAJORLY pissed off Jay and then another person?


I think we're underestimating Tim's intelligence here, I bet he guessed that the reason Jay was free had to do with Hoody.


That would be why i said "If Jay was loose them Tim knew someone probably helped him....."

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kurthnaga wrote:
So this keeps on coming up in posts but I want to elaborate my view here. I'm going to present a series of analogies, and then explain myself.

Alex's capture of the Operator on Tape = Eve taking fruit from the garden of Eden, i. e., the first sin.
Tim = Adam, has been tempted by Slendy from the start.

When Alex captured the operator on tape, it was akin to the devil tempting Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, thus creating the concept of sin. You may look at it, smell it, touch it, but consuming of it, or in this case capturing it on tape, binds you to it - you are forever a sinner.

Tim has been influenced by the Operator the longest out of any of the people involved - since his childhood. However, I don't believe he had ever caught the Operator on tape - instead, it was as though Satan/TO was constantly tormenting him - to the point where he was labeled insane. Through Tim/Adam, who resisted, the Operator/Satan found Alex/Eve, and moved on to an easier target - something with less resilience. And it worked - Alex/Eve caught the Operator/ate the fruit.

Here's where things are going to get tricky - Jay is, in fact, another version of Adam - here's why.

Alex clearly seems nervous about giving Jay the tapes from the beginning, in fact not even wanting to at the start. Eve would most likely have been nervous trying to get Adam to sin. But Alex/Eve gave the tapes/fruit to Jay/Adam and brought them into the mess as well - in fact, claiming another victim for the devil. One by one, (as illustrated in the end of what I think was Entry 22) Alex tempted each person involved with Marble Hornets - Brian, Sarah, Seth.

So now we have our protagonists, Jay and Tim = Adam, where Alex = Eve, and TO = The Devil.

In the biblical tales, time passes. Over the years, the world becomes full of more and more sinners, whereas there are few who are pure. Among them is Noah. Lets shake things up with another set.

Whoever finds the Ark = Noah
The Ark = Something metaphorically protecting the wielder from the operator (a la TribeTwelve journal?)
ToTheArk = A prophet, i. e. Hoody, who knows certain things in advance, but cannot find the ark by himself.
Benedict Hall being flooded - the start of the flood that wipes out creation, limiting time to reach the ark. (Hence why TTA gets so mad whenever Jay/Tim seem to waste time)

TTA, or Hoody (sometimes helped by Masky perhaps) wants to get to the ark. This is his utmost priority - get to salvation. However, to find the ark, he seems to need the help of tainted persons, i. e. Jay and Tim - as we don't know what the ark is, we have no idea how he intends to do this.

tl:dr I can stretch the story so far to fit a bunch of biblical analogies and perhaps provide a little bit of insight into characters - ie TO is the Devil and is corrupting people.

Sidenote: By saying TO = The Devil I am not meaning that literally - I am using the biblical story analogously.

Sidenote 2: Is all of this bickering about filler/not filler really necessary? I thought these threads were for discussing and analyzing episode content, not quality. Besides, isn't there another thread for entry quality?


This is definitely a stretch, but it includes some very interesting observations. However Tim most certainly films TO I believe in both 65 and 72, I think. Possibly also the TTA right after 19, and most likely others that don't immediately come to mind.

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Sha Noran wrote:
kurthnaga wrote:
So this keeps on coming up in posts but I want to elaborate my view here. I'm going to present a series of analogies, and then explain myself.

Alex's capture of the Operator on Tape = Eve taking fruit from the garden of Eden, i. e., the first sin.
Tim = Adam, has been tempted by Slendy from the start.

When Alex captured the operator on tape, it was akin to the devil tempting Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, thus creating the concept of sin. You may look at it, smell it, touch it, but consuming of it, or in this case capturing it on tape, binds you to it - you are forever a sinner.

Tim has been influenced by the Operator the longest out of any of the people involved - since his childhood. However, I don't believe he had ever caught the Operator on tape - instead, it was as though Satan/TO was constantly tormenting him - to the point where he was labeled insane. Through Tim/Adam, who resisted, the Operator/Satan found Alex/Eve, and moved on to an easier target - something with less resilience. And it worked - Alex/Eve caught the Operator/ate the fruit.

Here's where things are going to get tricky - Jay is, in fact, another version of Adam - here's why.

Alex clearly seems nervous about giving Jay the tapes from the beginning, in fact not even wanting to at the start. Eve would most likely have been nervous trying to get Adam to sin. But Alex/Eve gave the tapes/fruit to Jay/Adam and brought them into the mess as well - in fact, claiming another victim for the devil. One by one, (as illustrated in the end of what I think was Entry 22) Alex tempted each person involved with Marble Hornets - Brian, Sarah, Seth.

So now we have our protagonists, Jay and Tim = Adam, where Alex = Eve, and TO = The Devil.

In the biblical tales, time passes. Over the years, the world becomes full of more and more sinners, whereas there are few who are pure. Among them is Noah. Lets shake things up with another set.

Whoever finds the Ark = Noah
The Ark = Something metaphorically protecting the wielder from the operator (a la TribeTwelve journal?)
ToTheArk = A prophet, i. e. Hoody, who knows certain things in advance, but cannot find the ark by himself.
Benedict Hall being flooded - the start of the flood that wipes out creation, limiting time to reach the ark. (Hence why TTA gets so mad whenever Jay/Tim seem to waste time)

TTA, or Hoody (sometimes helped by Masky perhaps) wants to get to the ark. This is his utmost priority - get to salvation. However, to find the ark, he seems to need the help of tainted persons, i. e. Jay and Tim - as we don't know what the ark is, we have no idea how he intends to do this.

tl:dr I can stretch the story so far to fit a bunch of biblical analogies and perhaps provide a little bit of insight into characters - ie TO is the Devil and is corrupting people.

Sidenote: By saying TO = The Devil I am not meaning that literally - I am using the biblical story analogously.

Sidenote 2: Is all of this bickering about filler/not filler really necessary? I thought these threads were for discussing and analyzing episode content, not quality. Besides, isn't there another thread for entry quality?


This is definitely a stretch, but it includes some very interesting observations. However Tim most certainly films TO I believe in both 65 and 72, I think. Possibly also the TTA right after 19, and most likely others that don't immediately come to mind.


Yes, but Tim didn't capture TO on film until after the series had started, and not until after I believe Alex did so.
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