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SaferSaturnX
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ledzepfilm wrote:
Here's a little gift I bring to y'all.



YouTube: Link

Entry 79/80/81 video comparison.


That's an awesome video! One thing of note (sorry if someone else mentioned this already), but at 0:32-0:36, it sounds like Jay is running, but we clearly see a person in Tim's camera walking. When I first saw Entry #81, I assumed that person was Jay, now I'm not as sure.

Any guesses?

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Shockwave wrote:
To those who has read my theory posted a few pages back, ignore some bits of it. There wasn't an Archive, it was the basement that was said was flooded. I thought the guy said Archive but I was wrong. I would edit it but I am too lazy at the moment to do so. Please disregard that


Yeah, you right. There was no mention of an archive there, just a film department with a flooded basement. However, I will not disregard that. I think it fits so well into everything, would be a nice twist to the whole "what is the ark" thing that actually makes sense.

SaferSaturnX wrote:
That's an awesome video! One thing of note (sorry if someone else mentioned this already), but at 0:32-0:36, it sounds like Jay is running, but we clearly see a person in Tim's camera walking. When I first saw Entry #81, I assumed that person was Jay, now I'm not as sure.

Any guesses?


I guess still that is Jay. The chair event was to well timed, even Tim's standing up fits nicely. The silhouette of the persons resembles Jay greatly, and the steps might be explained by the fact that Jay only took 8-9 fast steps (like jogging) that sounded more like running than they actually were. The last few steps he just slowed down to stand at the manhole, what looked like he was casually walking all the time.

However, I wonder what Tim thought of that encounter. He just cuts and tells us via overlay what he did after Jay left. He did not, however, communicate to us what he thought of that encounter. (Remember, this is supposed to be the first he became aware of the fact that Jay was free and following him.) Especially if he too checked the room Jay checked after he came down the stairs again, in which he found the sign, the knife and the pictures. We still don't know what Tim's thinks about that – except maybe that he thinks that Hoody has set all of this up.
However, I add this non-disclosure on my "why I don't trust Tim" list.

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 		I was gonna post something along the lines of the theory that kurthnaga did about Noah's Ark again. I think the flood with an ark that saved Noah and his family is the fodder for this series.

I wouldn't necessarily go much further than that, though, other than to say, there's still something in the ark that was saved from the flood and Tim or someone needs to find.

However, if you keep the Noah's ark theory AND have the ark as saving people instead of saving some unknown thing (probably more tapes), there is this interesting thing to note from Scripture. 1 Peter 3:18-20, "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water," (English Standard Version)...you could also, if you wanted to, count the people in Genesis 7:7 who were saved. In MH, we have (In alphabetical order): Amy, Brian, Bruce, Jay, Jessica, and Seth. That's 6. Only 2 spots left and 3 main characters--Alex, Tim, and Hoody (which would have to suppose that Hoody is not someone we know by another name in the series). I think Bruce was accidentally taken--Alex had intended that Jay was to be the one taken.

However, given the localized nature of the flood in MH (just Benedict Hall), I think that the ark is now more likely to be something that saved something else that should have been lost in the flood and could help with all this stuff involving TO.

As a side (and joking) note: I hope the ark is a boat with 8 Slenderdolls in it and does absolutely nothing! =)

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 		Re-watched the entry for potential hidden details but found nothing that hasn't yet been mentioned.

Important things to keep in mind are;
1) All the gang is there. (Jay/Tim/Hoody/Alex)
2) Tim either already knew that he was being followed by Jay (based on his overlay text on Entry 81) or figures it out from Entry 80
3) The Benedict Hall flooding. Especially since they created a scene with an outsider emphasizes the importance of this newly brought up fact.
4) The weird video freezing/tearing anomaly at 12:14.
5) Alex simply passing by Tim causing such drastic physical sickness to Tim, which I found to be more extreme than I would have assumed.
6) Missing chair, bc I am bored.




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ziggazern wrote:
Re-watched the entry for potential hidden details but found nothing that hasn't yet been mentioned.

2) Tim either already knew that he was being followed by Jay (based on his overlay text on Entry 81) or figures it out from Entry 80
3) The Benedict Hall flooding. Especially since they created a scene with an outsider emphasizes the importance of this newly brought up fact.


IG Entry 81 takes place the same time as Entry 79. I'd say when Jay knocked over the chair and Tim could probably see it was Jay and it didn't take him watching the Entry 80 tape to figure that out.

I was thinking this same thing. There has to be something more important in the basement of Benedict Hall at least. Why else would they say something so specific as "it was flooded".

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Ztakk wrote:
ziggazern wrote:
Re-watched the entry for potential hidden details but found nothing that hasn't yet been mentioned.

2) Tim either already knew that he was being followed by Jay (based on his overlay text on Entry 81) or figures it out from Entry 80
3) The Benedict Hall flooding. Especially since they created a scene with an outsider emphasizes the importance of this newly brought up fact.


IG Entry 81 takes place the same time as Entry 79. I'd say when Jay knocked over the chair and Tim could probably see it was Jay and it didn't take him watching the Entry 80 tape to figure that out.

I was thinking this same thing. There has to be something more important in the basement of Benedict Hall at least. Why else would they say something so specific as "it was flooded".


Agreed to all of this. Also you reminded me that #79-81 all take place at two days, maybe even within 36 hours or so. Would that make TTA Quadrant or the "How do hands talk?" tweets relevant again, does #81 adds any clue to those?

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Ascalondion wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Could "the ark" be a phonetic abbreviation of "archive"? The mention of the flood at the film department in Benedict Hall and the potential of a film archive there that includes lost Marble Hornets footage makes me wonder.


I like the thought; was always wondering why it had to be Benedict Hall, and now he know: It's a film archive with footage of something TO related (most likely more MH footage). So Hoody was leading Jay tothearchive that was flooded in the past – but we still don't know for sure why he was hoping to Jay would also find Alex there when he was free and dangerous. Wasn't it "Find Alex, Find the Ark?" - or was the note kept by Hoody for himself, rather than for Jay to find? I think the archive thing needs to be considered in the "What is the ark" thread.


I think this could be a very solid point. I remember when awhile back people said Trosephim had abandoned many early TTA elements (deluge, water, rain, whatnot, etc) however I think that they may have been planning this far more than we give them credit.

An AR(K)chive that was flooded (DELUGE OF WATER by the Operator who drags you through it ala Tim in entry 65).

My train of thought is fading so I hope that some of this sounds coherent. I feel like something of what I said makes sense but I just can't spell it out; in my head it makes perfect sense but I don't think we have enough of the story yet to fully make a big "THE ARK IS DIS" type explanation.

We may be in the homestretch, but that doesn't mean there still isn't more to be uncovered. {wasnt there a tta that said something about there are still doors unopened? -- TTA's may not be necessary to understand the story for casual viewers but what if those videos are all clues for we hardcore fans to use to piece together a big ass backstory}

/crawls back into hidey-hole

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MariahTedder wrote:
I think this could be a very solid point. I remember when awhile back people said Trosephim had abandoned many early TTA elements (deluge, water, rain, whatnot, etc) however I think that they may have been planning this far more than we give them credit.

An AR(K)chive that was flooded (DELUGE OF WATER by the Operator who drags you through it ala Tim in entry 65).

My train of thought is fading so I hope that some of this sounds coherent. I feel like something of what I said makes sense but I just can't spell it out; in my head it makes perfect sense but I don't think we have enough of the story yet to fully make a big "THE ARK IS DIS" type explanation.

We may be in the homestretch, but that doesn't mean there still isn't more to be uncovered. {wasnt there a tta that said something about there are still doors unopened? -- TTA's may not be necessary to understand the story for casual viewers but what if those videos are all clues for we hardcore fans to use to piece together a big ass backstory}

/crawls back into hidey-hole


Give me a few hours and I should be done updating Season 1 in my TTA Answers thread - a season which had a lot of videos about water. Not sure how relevant old S1 TTA vids are anymore, but they might lead to something.

Though for the record, I seem to recall the "doors unopened" was most likely reffering to the doors Jay didn't open when he was searching around that house. The stuff about water I'd say still matters, though. There's been water from the start and the mention of a flood even now should point towards it having greater significance.

EDIT: Done.

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The Second wrote:

Give me a few hours and I should be done updating Season 1 in my TTA Answers thread - a season which had a lot of videos about water. Not sure how relevant old S1 TTA vids are anymore, but they might lead to something.

Though for the record, I seem to recall the "doors unopened" was most likely reffering to the doors Jay didn't open when he was searching around that house. The stuff about water I'd say still matters, though. There's been water from the start and the mention of a flood even now should point towards it having greater significance.

EDIT: Done.


Great work! However, no finding there made "click" for me in respect to #79-81. Except for the early reference of trees in "Version", though that could also just be "deeper secrets".

What is certainly true is that the connection to water in TTA videos lessened after season 1, and I feel like we haven't seen Hoodys water bottle for quite a while too. But that could either have OOG reasons or be completely unrelated.

While talking about stuff that could be completely unrelated: Water (TTA) and Trees (TO) have a connection too. Trees are somewhat dependent on water, and by using that analogy we could conclude that TO is dependent on TTA, whereas I believe the more common assumption is that TTA is dependent on TO (TTA and/or the Mask are "caused" by TO's presence/influence).
That means this connection is either a dead end, or would add some major twist. There was, however, a discussion in the #80 thread, I think, that introduced the thought that maybe Hoody is "using" the TO to reach the ark/the-place-with-no-light. TO himself under this description would be more like "a force of nature", without own intentions, a being that could be manipulated if it's rules were known. Hoody therefore uses the fact that TO either is attracted by fear and distress to lure TO to Benedict Hall to do whatever he wants.

While this as relatively little to do with #81, it made me aware of something (that has been discussed already in earlier threads): The distortion of the video is not caused by a field or something of that sort. The distortion is either caused by the emotions/feelings of the camera wielder, or directly by the thing caught on tape. #81 shows us that Tim's chestcam has some big distortions, as well as Tim himself gets a severe coughing fit, why catching Alex on tape.
If the distortion/health issues were caused by a field of "operator-radiance" around Alex, it would have effected Jay too. But Jay, just seconds later at the same place, in probably even closer vicinity to Alex, only mildly coughed when he enters the dark room, and has no distortion or other effect right until he sees Alex pointing a gun at him from like 2 steps away. So whatever exactly causes the distortion, it is no field that is emanating from Alex. (And neither is it a field around Hoody, as he was seen distortion free in the tunnels)

One last thing, as a proponent of the "Tim still is a liar" thing it like to mention that TTA portrayed Tim as a liar from the get-go (One interpretation of Advocate). While TTA need not the be taken as a reliable source, it is certainly true that Tim has quite a history of either willingly or unwillingly withholding information from us or Jay. And now that he is (IG) the editor of the material, this becomes more significant. Fact is, we do not truly know how much knowledge Tim truly has of his Masky episodes, and if he will convenience cut such things out. (As I believe did Jay, as we do see footage of him in "Return" that probably would also be available to him – but I don't like to discuss that, since I have no evidence for that. Just wanted to make my presumptions clear. However, if it were true, we could see Tim searching for Jay's footage that shows us more than Jay wanted to show. Wink)

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Ascalondion wrote:
...you reminded me that #79-81 all take place at two days, maybe even within 36 hours or so. Would that make TTA Quadrant or the "How do hands talk?" tweets relevant again, does #81 adds any clue to those?
I still say that was Masky's way of asking Tim to tweet or text him. He's open for communication but on his terms only.

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ReverendJ wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
...you reminded me that #79-81 all take place at two days, maybe even within 36 hours or so. Would that make TTA Quadrant or the "How do hands talk?" tweets relevant again, does #81 adds any clue to those?
I still say that was Masky's way of asking Tim to tweet or text him. He's open for communication but on his terms only.


Tim is supposed to....text himself?

I still say that was Hoody's way of asking Tim to tweet or text him. He's open for communication but on his terms only.

Fixed it for you.

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Ascalondion wrote:
Agreed to all of this. Also you reminded me that #79-81 all take place at two days, maybe even within 36 hours or so. Would that make TTA Quadrant or the "How do hands talk?" tweets relevant again, does #81 adds any clue to those?


Here's the timeline, so far as I can tell from the video text and all, of entries 77-81.

Day 1: Entry 77 and Entry 78 as well as the beginning of entry 81 (where Tim runs into the man at the college)
Day 2: Entry 79 and the middle of 81 (Tim failing to find the groundskeeper, sneaking into the basement while Jay stalks him)
Day 3: Entry 80 and the end of 81 (Tim getting into Benedict Hall, seeing Alex, blacking out after hearing Jay being shot)

This is working off of the assumption that Tim went directly to the college and started poking around after leaving Jay tied up at his house, that Hoody freed Jay pretty soon afterwards and that neither Tim or Jay were lying in any of the text in the entries.
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 		Expect a TTA soon? Probably'll taunt Tim about his lack of pills, not to mention leaving the door unlocked. Razz

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Expect a TTA soon? Probably'll taunt Tim about his lack of pills, not to mention leaving the door unlocked. Razz
He did that at his house too...you think someone in his situation would be more paranoid about that sort of thing but no...unlocked doors and unlocked windows. I bet he doesn't even lock his car half the time.

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 		Maybe he's so focused on the supernatural horrors in his life that he forgets about more mundane threats? Yeah, I'll go with that, since the only other explanation is that he's just stupid.

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