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[TRAILHEAD] Porcelain Spiders
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SignerJ
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IonCharge wrote:
>2014
>Jimmies

God I hate this fandom.
This is the internet. The internet is comprised of real people, with real issues. I do not take the internet seriously. I do take the people and the issues seriously. If you can refute them or give me any reason as to why the gender, race, or life-choices of any of the people involved in the production or its audience affect the actual quality than please provide me with them.


I support you all the way. It just happens that I haven't visited this trailhead in a while.
Don't blame the fandom; blame the few individuals who are inconsiderate jerks.


Also:
Zarggg wrote:
Just because this is "the Internet", that sort of behavior is not acceptable.

If someone says that they consider it a slur against themselves, don't say it.



Now, in regards to the series... How is it? I haven't had a chance to watch it yet.

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TheOperator
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For what it's worth, like I said, I don't think genderbending Marble Hornets is profound in any way, it's a gimmick. But even disliking this series, I still think AssassinB was an ass over the course of page 7.

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AssassinB
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Just gonna say one more thing then I'm done discussing this lunacy.

Because I use a word or term offensively does not mean that my points are invalid. If you can only focus on how I convey a message instead of the message I convey, you don't deserve to be on this forum.

Again, I won't apologize, I won't take it back, I won't "provide facts" for you to debunk because in all honesty, I really don't care that much about transgender people in real life for better or for worse, I just find it funny that the majority of people who ARE transgender and in the verse are being pulled to this series faster than any other one around just because it's gimmicky and "different".

Be all buttmad if you want but I've been here since the first entries of Marble Hornets, the people who have created this "series" have probably not (at least that is my belief as it seems they have a blatant disregard for die hard fans), I'm entitled to my opinion. Instead of nitpicking on my choice of words why don't you pay attention to the points I raise?

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Also reddit sucks, will never change my opinion on that.


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drseussicide
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IonCharge wrote:

Yes there was. There was no reason for him to even bring in the phrase "gender confused". Don't try and claim I defended the series, I debunked his reasoning for claiming the series was bad. I haven't even posted an opinion on it.


He was voicing his opinion in a public forum. Literally a public online forum. There's every reason for him to do so.
You didn't debunk his reasoning. Read the thread. Here I'll even quote him for you look how nice I'm being.

AssassinB wrote:
It's too similar to MH but branching too far off at the same time, leaving the dedicated vlog viewers kind of pissed off that someone has blatantly copied the series that started all of this and messed it up. It doesn't even matter if I think it's messed up, but most others here probably will have the same opinion. What I and many other people here on UF would like to see is original ideas that go outside the box. We don't want to see concepts as well as camera angles that are from the same seed as Marble Hornets, pseudo attempting to re-ignite the magic
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BUT THIS TIME WITH FEMALES WOW
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The name was barely even changed, Porcelain Spiders? That's the closest thing I've ever seen to a well thought out but plagiarist attempt at making a vlog.

This is why I think I've wasted my time, because I already saw it.


You're also not the only person to whip out the transphobe card for no particular reason other than gender was mentioned. Being confused about my gender was my first step. Don't say gender confusion is a slur, that degrades the experiences of trans people.

The reasons why people dislike this series has nothing to do with gender. The people crawling out of the woodworks crying about gender representation are the ones who made it an issue. I want representation in the media outside of the norm. But I expect it to be good. I don't consider myself a huge fan of TJAProjects but I watched it and was scared by moments of it because they put effort into their art

I expect nothing less from anyone else. And a half-assed copy contributes nothing to the genre and is a waste of time for people interested in...good things.

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Shockwave
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Okay, this is getting out of hand so I'll throw in my 2 cents. I don't post much here and the interactions in this thread is why. So, I am going against my better judgement here.

People don't like this b/c its a female cast or it has a trans-gender cast member. People dislike this b/c its a remake of Marble Hornets that barely adds a bit to it, aside from the Tumblr account and a few added bits in the entries like Latro (I believe that is the 'TTA' of this story).

I actually tried watching a few entries but couldn't get into it. However, this bickering as gone on long enough. Don't use sexism as a reason for people disliking this. That's not the reason. I do like Keratin Garden (spelling?) but haven't kept up with it lately and its a mostly female cast.

I, personally, think Marble Hornets should never have been made, at least not without permission from the creators. And before you say that they never got permission to use the Slenderman from Victor Surge, I actually asked that in the Season 3 Off-Topic thread in the MH form. Victor Surge is okay with the people use the Slenderman in their series (i'm guessing he's okay as long as they don't make money unless with his permission).

So, this is my opinion on this. This is all I am going to say on this.


EDIT: Something else I want to add on. To those who keep on posting here and saying they dislike it, just post it once and talk to a mod about it and move on. Constantly complaining about it won't make it go away

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IonCharge
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drseussicide wrote:
IonCharge wrote:

Yes there was. There was no reason for him to even bring in the phrase "gender confused". Don't try and claim I defended the series, I debunked his reasoning for claiming the series was bad. I haven't even posted an opinion on it.


He was voicing his opinion in a public forum. Literally a public online forum. There's every reason for him to do so.
You didn't debunk his reasoning. Read the thread. Here I'll even quote him for you look how nice I'm being.


I'm sorry how does the gender affect the quality of the content? Yes this series is plagiaristic. No it is not as a result of those people watching it. His second comment had judgements based on the audience of the series which is not:
>Writing
>Acting
>Production
Thus it was invalid, and futhermore, offensive. Freedom of speech to post what you like on a public board does not equate to freedom of the consequences of your speech.
drseussicide wrote:

AssassinB wrote:
It's too similar to MH but branching too far off at the same time, leaving the dedicated vlog viewers kind of pissed off that someone has blatantly copied the series that started all of this and messed it up. It doesn't even matter if I think it's messed up, but most others here probably will have the same opinion. What I and many other people here on UF would like to see is original ideas that go outside the box. We don't want to see concepts as well as camera angles that are from the same seed as Marble Hornets, pseudo attempting to re-ignite the magic
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BUT THIS TIME WITH FEMALES WOW
.

The name was barely even changed, Porcelain Spiders? That's the closest thing I've ever seen to a well thought out but plagiarist attempt at making a vlog.

This is why I think I've wasted my time, because I already saw it.



I didn't refute this point. I refuted the point that it was laughable that this series was being defended by gender confused people. Surprise, this series actually is plagiaristic.

drseussicide wrote:

You're also not the only person to whip out the transphobe card for no particular reason other than gender was mentioned. Being confused about my gender was my first step. Don't say gender confusion is a slur, that degrades the experiences of trans people.


I didn't refer to gender confusion is a slur. There are individual differences between each and every person. Account for them as such. The statement "gender confused" is full of erasure and binormity, and I'm sure I needn't waste my time explaining why those two things are bad when I'm sure you could find something on tumblr dot com.
drseussicide wrote:

The reasons why people dislike this series has nothing to do with gender. The people crawling out of the woodworks crying about gender representation are the ones who made it an issue. I want representation in the media outside of the norm. But I expect it to be good. I don't consider myself a huge fan of TJAProjects but I watched it and was scared by moments of it because they put effort into their art

I expect nothing less from anyone else. And a half-assed copy contributes nothing to the genre and is a waste of time for people interested in...good things.


Congratulations you found the real reason why this series has issues. Now consider why AssassinB felt any real reason to refer to its audience.

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knifeman
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ITT: Everyone fucking hates this for different reasons.
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SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE.

Also, The Mystery of the ManTree or whatever is pretty cool.


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Daximon
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How in the hell is this 8 pages now? Seriously? This thread should've been locked ages ago. Ridiculous.

There's nothing about this series that's even remotely interesting nor good. There's so many other series people have been like, "hmm this is similar to this series or this one" and wag harsh fingers yet this piece of shit is 8 pages long??

The fact that this is named Porcelain Spiders is reason enough to realize how unoriginal this crap is. Lock this thread already.

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Shockwave
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Daximon wrote:
How in the hell is this 8 pages now? Seriously? This thread should've been locked ages ago. Ridiculous.

There's nothing about this series that's even remotely interesting nor good. There's so many other series people have been like, "hmm this is similar to this series or this one" and wag harsh fingers yet this piece of shit is 8 pages long??

The fact that this is named Porcelain Spiders is reason enough to realize how unoriginal this crap is. Lock this thread already.


Contact the mods if you want it locked. As I said before, sitting around and complaining about it won't do anything

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I watched this under the impression that the operator would be a fat girl in a dress. I was disappointed.


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Daximon wrote:
How in the hell is this 8 pages now? Seriously? This thread should've been locked ages ago... There's nothing about this series that's even remotely interesting nor good.


If lack of quality in a series was a reason for locking threads half this board would have gone away long ago.

That said, I AM concerned with the fighting and bullshit in this thread and will lock it if it continues being a lightning rod for rock-headed behavior.

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There is a new post on Janes Blog:
http://amaryllisjane.tumblr.com/post/75202651932/classes-and-work-both-ended-early-tonight-so-ive
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New Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brwZd09CXzA

And a new post on janes blog about it:
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The Tammy we tracked down online said she'd never heard of Porcelain Spiders, so I decided to return to the tapes. I figured I had to go forward somehow, and if I couldn't find the cast I could at least try to find out more about what was going on a year ago. I wish I'd left it alone. I wish I never started looking into this in the first place.

I'll warn you, there's blood and what appears to be some form of assault in this footage. Edit: I've been asked to warn about vomiting as well. Sorry about that.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with this.


http://amaryllisjane.tumblr.com/post/75645774358/the-tammy-we-tracked-down-online-said-shed-never

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Yay they finally managed to do something diferent than MH!

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Are you all aware that MH is a COPYRIGHTED WORK?

They are published with dvd releases, merchandise, and a hollywood film on the way?

I am immediately taking this to Troy as I type this. This is an embarrassing attempt to garnish revenue and outright plagiarize the first works of three very talented writers. I encourage the rest to do the same, and also report this to Troy and Co.

Seriously, why did no one think to do that before? 8 pages of nonsense could have been avoided.

Edited after a review in a calmer state. Sorry about the raeg everyone...
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This is my favorite theory, by far.


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Sorry for the double post but can anyone confirm that they are using youtube advertisements? If they are then it's definitely getting axed.

Edit: Kind of jumped the gun in posting that and dug a little myself. I see no ads so far. Nonetheless. I believe this should be brought to Troy & Co.'s attention, if you would all be so kind as to help me out here. I share the opinion that if it were just meant to be a homage then I would be alright with it but direct plagiarism is never okay. EVER.

Even if they do nothing about it I honestly expect it to peter out and fall flat on its face just as many others have before it. There isn't a difference at all. We've seen it all before. Their OOG explanation is laughable. No one cares to see a juxtaposition of an original work and a blatant belligerent copy.

I especially find it outright insulting that they apparently believe that we don't want to see any "Originality" portrayed. What? If anything the tropes are actually getting stale. Please, originality would be a breath of fresh air. It would certainly have been better than what is obviously an attention grab and potential draw AWAY from the original product.
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"Marble Hornets was a bad student film. EverymanHYBRID was terrible health advice. Maybe Slenderman just hates people who make bad internet videos?"

This is my favorite theory, by far.


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