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[TRAILHEAD] Porcelain Spiders
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paperfaces
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Oh no! People saying positive things! It must be the series creators! (If you go on other websites you'll see that there is an actual audience for this series other than tails who genuinely like it).

And yes, many of us who are saying positive things are just joining this forum, but that doesn't make us sock puppets. Maybe we weren't into the Slender Man mythos prior to PS, or were lurkers on this site because we had little involvement in ARGs (I myself have been lurking here for Keratin Garden for a while, but just didn't feel like making an account). Some people prefer series where they identify with the main characters. I got bored with MH halfway through. I thought the shot-for-shots that PS did were much more interesting to me because it was refreshing to see how women would react to the same situation. Then again, MH isn't doing anything new. Found footage has been around for quite a while and they didn't even invent Slender Man. Film remakes themselves have been around since the Silent Era (and remakes in general...well...Romeo and Juliet isn't exactly original).

So, like, I'm not saying ya'll shouldn't critique PS, that's your right, but I also have the right to critique the critiques (lolz). Thanks for helping me fill out my hipster bingo card though.

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paperfaces wrote:
Oh no! People saying positive things! It must be the series creators! (If you go on other websites you'll see that there is an actual audience for this series other than tails who genuinely like it).

And yes, many of us who are saying positive things are just joining this forum, but that doesn't make us sock puppets. Maybe we weren't into the Slender Man mythos prior to PS, or were lurkers on this site because we had little involvement in ARGs (I myself have been lurking here for Keratin Garden for a while, but just didn't feel like making an account). Some people prefer series where they identify with the main characters. I got bored with MH halfway through. I thought the shot-for-shots that PS did were much more interesting to me because it was refreshing to see how women would react to the same situation. Then again, MH isn't doing anything new. Found footage has been around for quite a while and they didn't even invent Slender Man. Film remakes themselves have been around since the Silent Era (and remakes in general...well...Romeo and Juliet isn't exactly original).

So, like, I'm not saying ya'll shouldn't critique PS, that's your right, but I also have the right to critique the critiques (lolz). Thanks for helping me fill out my hipster bingo card though.


It wouldn't be refreshing for very long considering you haven't seen all of MH

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paperfaces
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DrSoup007 wrote:
paperfaces wrote:
Oh no! People saying positive things! It must be the series creators! (If you go on other websites you'll see that there is an actual audience for this series other than tails who genuinely like it).

And yes, many of us who are saying positive things are just joining this forum, but that doesn't make us sock puppets. Maybe we weren't into the Slender Man mythos prior to PS, or were lurkers on this site because we had little involvement in ARGs (I myself have been lurking here for Keratin Garden for a while, but just didn't feel like making an account). Some people prefer series where they identify with the main characters. I got bored with MH halfway through. I thought the shot-for-shots that PS did were much more interesting to me because it was refreshing to see how women would react to the same situation. Then again, MH isn't doing anything new. Found footage has been around for quite a while and they didn't even invent Slender Man. Film remakes themselves have been around since the Silent Era (and remakes in general...well...Romeo and Juliet isn't exactly original).

So, like, I'm not saying ya'll shouldn't critique PS, that's your right, but I also have the right to critique the critiques (lolz). Thanks for helping me fill out my hipster bingo card though.


It wouldn't be refreshing for very long considering you haven't seen all of MH


I had already seen the MH videos that PS directly remade way before Spiders started, so I was moreso referring to those entries. Either way I've heard it's not going to be super close to MH for long *shrugs*

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Felloffalot
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Just gonna input my two cents here.

I would be fine with if the creators got a basis off of Marble Hornets and then worked from there, which is what one of the great Slenderseries of all time, Tribe Twelve, did, but when you get literally so unoriginal that you just copy the Marble Hornets entries, word for word, shot for shot, and try to make it "original" by blatantly shoehorning in female characters and LGBT characters, then you haven't created something worth watching. You've just created something that everybody has already seen, except now you're playing minority bingo with your series. You're not going to amass an audience if you only try to appeal to people who have never seen so much as an episode of Marble Hornets. You're just going to end up flopping on your ass because a majority of the people who had even half of an interest in it tuned out before you even got into anything original.

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paperfaces
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But (from what I recall from watching the beginning of MH) the latest entry isn't a shot-for-shot remake, so, pending the next entries, maybe it'll be original for here-on out. I kind of detest the phrase "minority bingo" too. Implies "this show doesn't have enough [majority group] so it's not normal." As long as there is no basis in stereotyping and offensiveness, I don't see anything wrong with going out of one's way to represent the generally unrepresented. Leveling the uneven playing field, if you will. I'm all for breaking down male/white/straight/cis as default. Keratin has a female protag, features non-white characters, and doesn't feature many dudes and it's a pretty awesome series (Before you say anything, that last sentence is in reference to KG not being about white dudes and it including non-white characters. I know it deviated from MH from the start and is an original work).

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paperfaces wrote:
But (from what I recall from watching the beginning of MH) the latest entry isn't a shot-for-shot remake, so, pending the next entries, maybe it'll be original for here-on out. I kind of detest the phrase "minority bingo" too. Implies "this show doesn't have enough [majority group] so it's not normal." As long as there is no basis in stereotyping and offensiveness, I don't see anything wrong with going out of one's way to represent the generally unrepresented. Leveling the uneven playing field, if you will. I'm all for breaking down male/white/straight/cis as default. Keratin has a female protag, features non-white characters, and doesn't feature many dudes and it's a pretty awesome series (Before you say anything, that last sentence is in reference to KG not being about white dudes and it including non-white characters. I know it deviated from MH from the start and is an original work).


What I meant is that having minorities for the sake of having minorities isn't a good series make. It just reminds me too much of the Tumblr method of making things "good"; don't have an ounce of originality in your being and can't write worth a damn? Just toss in as many minorities as you possibly can and watch the people on Tumblr eat that shit up. Not to be offensive, of course. But when you're making a Slenderseries, you're not making it to represent the unrepresented, and you really shouldn't force your audience to wait until the fifteenth video before it actually starts showing off what it can do. You need to create an interesting plot with likable characters and get to the point quickly. Other stories have the opportunity to draw out their plot and wait to get to a point. A Slenderseries does not.

To sum this all up, I just feel like if a Slenderseries waits 10+ videos to actually become an original video and stop just ripping off the best and most popular Slenderseries around, then it's not something an audience is going to want to watch. It's just going to be bland and turns people off too early.

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Felloffalot wrote:

What I meant is that having minorities for the sake of having minorities isn't a good series make. It just reminds me too much of the Tumblr method of making things "good"; don't have an ounce of originality in your being and can't write worth a damn? Just toss in as many minorities as you possibly can and watch the people on Tumblr eat that shit up. Not to be offensive, of course. But when you're making a Slenderseries, you're not making it to represent the unrepresented, and you really shouldn't force your audience to wait until the fifteenth video before it actually starts showing off what it can do.


But, why do minorities need to have a pre-approved reason to exist in a storyline? Why can't they just be in a series "for the sake of it?" We never question why, for example, Harry Potter had to be a white boy (outside maybe a gender studies critique, or something similar). It doesn't seem like they are even including underrepresented groups in a pandering way. The creators are allowed to make a slenderverse series to represent the underrepresented and explore how the situations that occur in the male-dominated series would affect other groups differently. It does not have to follow some universal reason for making a series in the Slender genre. After all, from previous comments here, it seems like MH deviated from the generic found footage drama and added new things to it, so if PS wants to add social criticism to the mix, I say they should go ahead!

P.S. Social activism existed before Tumblr. Social media is just allowing for a bigger, widespread voice with more room for communication.

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To think that this was made for any reason other than the creators having a lack of original ideas is silly.

Their only chance is to pull out now, rework it and make it good, like Adam did with tribetwelve.

And here's one big piece of advice: If you want your audience to suspend their disbelief, don't rip off the filmmaking style, plotline, and character traits of an entire series. All of your scares will fall flat because your viewers won't be drawn into your world because of the knowledge that this is just a fan-roleplay that crawled out of tumblr and found its way onto youtube.


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Are any of you aware that Porcelain Spiders already has a fanbase? You keep saying "If they want people to like their series they have to ____" but the truth is people already like it. I think what you mean to say is "If they want ME to like their series they have to ____" but trust me no one wants that.

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People who enjoy things without critically examining it first don't really count as "fans" of a thing in my opinion. They're just viewers if they can't understand what they're watching


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Oh god...Unfiction is being invaded with Porcelain Spiders fans...I think it's time to take a break because I don't wanna read all of the rants that just occurred from the #1 fans of the show...seriously it's terrible, I don't care about the gender swap. That means nothings, it's just bad. I have no further comments.

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A-are you actually watching this like it's not just a spoof of Marble Hornets? Like seriously? It's even in the freakin name! If it deviates from that now the now, it's just bullshit. They're piggybacking on something much bigger than themselves to get attention.

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I just realised that porcelain spiders has become the Howard Cantour.com of the slendermythos


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Slowly i think that the concentration from some of the people on here focuses way too much on the surface of the videos to see that there are already ongoing bigger differences between MH and PS.

The biggest difference so far is clearly the IG Tumblr Blog of the main protagonist, which allows her to be way more interactive with the viewers, so she can discuss occurences in the videos and viewer sugestions more directly with them, answer questions and give out more background-information. And she already uses it exactly for that. This is already a BIG change, since Jay very rarely reacted to messages and tweets to him on twitter.

Also the characters are already starting to act differently to certain situations than the ones in MH. (look at "Entry #7" for instance or the already several different reactions of Alexa throughout the videos)

And lastly: The "sidechannelcharacter" acts already very different than TTA would act. (While TTA did encourage Jay to look further and go deeper already from the beginning, Latro directly wants that the main protagonist stays out of it and warns her that digging deeper is maybe not a good idea. Also Latro is clearly more straightforward than TTA)

You see?
Just because the videos seem to be close to the ones of MH it does not mean that itīs just a "blatant copy". There is way more to it than you might see when you only look at the surface.
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TTA isn't a proxy, firstly.

Secondly, Howard Cantour.com did have slight changes from it's source material. Doesn't make it any less of a plagiarized, unoriginal, work. I'm failing to see the difference here. You're kind of just solidifyinng my belief that this is nothing more than a roleplay. Which is fine if that's what you call it but it's nothing more.

I'm a massive TT fangirl and guess what: I'll say the same damn thing about the early TT videos, but Adam had the brain to realise what he was doing and change it.


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