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Slender Man Collaborative film
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-Etrocal
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Slender Man Collaborative film

Hi all, I guess it's been three or four years since I posted here about this, but circumstances on my end have changed and I figure now's as good a time as any to bring it up again.

Basically this amounts to me being really unhappy with the direction that the SM mythos has gone and also realizing that as a filmmaker I finally have a blank slate in front of me. The idea I originally proposed (which was met with a decent amount of support actually, I just never followed through) was to get a group of slendy enthusiasts to all team up and work on a project, rather than have every joe shmo with a camera start a soon-doomed web series.

The reason I failed to actually go anywhere with this concept a few years ago was, as usual, school and all. However I'm out now and am dead set in a career in film, and have been spending the last several years amassing gear, knowledge, and contacts all in the hopes of being able to produce something of a decent quality.

I realize that slendy has fallen out of the spotlight as far as pop culture goes, but there's still a huge amount of opportunity to breathe in some new life. Out of the well produced film projects including Hylo, Windigo, Proxy, and of course all the top tier series', it seems like the biggest weak points are pretty consistent. Character, acting, effects. I've seen incredibly unpopular blogs with great setups, awesome story ideas, and no hits.

Would all you surviving aficionados be open to the concept of tag-teaming a script? I've got ideas for what I'd like to see in either a mini-series or feature, I'm sure everyone does. I'd love to get a group chat with some writers here and hash it out, see if we can come up with anything that could get people excited again. It's been way too long.

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The Totem
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I've got a few ideas that will help connect to the original mythos (one of which being Slender Man walking on his tentacles, if you have the resources). Sounds fun.
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TheJoker
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I'd be interested in helping with writing the story depending on what direction you're taking this. I haven't read your original concept but I'd love to see a Slendy series return to the roots of the mysterious SomethingAwful childnapper.

Also, random thought- what if you were to make a more conventional webseries rather than the ARGish vlogs that everyone always makes? At this point, the change of pace might be refreshing to some.

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Hunter_Omega
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YES.

I'd love to help out with this film! After I was blocked by Owen on all accounts for little to no reason, I've been striving to create something in this mythos for a while, and helping out with this project can be my chance! I agree the Slender Man has been out of the spotlight for SO FREAKING LONG, but with Unfiction helping out with this, and if we can all pitch together, I'm almost certain we can hit another Slendermania (Fall 2012, respectively)! Come on guys, let's get working!

(For contact purposes, my Skype is lilpotato1)

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TheJoker
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Also, doing a format other than vlog might actually give it enough accessibility to actually give some new life to the mythos instead of it just getting lost in the sea of vlogs.

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lachesis
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Can you at all describe why what you want to do will be any different than any other film student? Other than just shitting on vlogs?
Its just if that's your 'proposal' to try to enlist others into your effort, it's pretty unpersuasive and kind of obnoxious.
Just do a little research and maybe target specific humans who have already proven their acting/special effects/ writing chops. If you're in this community, you literally have a sea of humans who are good at at least one aspect, if not all, of producing a project. Just watch a couple things, decide what a series was strongest at, then proposition the creator with joining you on another project, you might be surprised how supportive they are.
Cause honestly, there's nothing appealing about what you proposed. Sounds like the same effing old to me.

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TheOneWhoKillsMary
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lachesis wrote:
Can you at all describe why what you want to do will be any different than any other film student? Other than just shitting on vlogs?
Its just if that's your 'proposal' to try to enlist others into your effort, it's pretty unpersuasive and kind of obnoxious.
Just do a little research and maybe target specific humans who have already proven their acting/special effects/ writing chops. If you're in this community, you literally have a sea of humans who are good at at least one aspect, if not all, of producing a project. Just watch a couple things, decide what a series was strongest at, then proposition the creator with joining you on another project, you might be surprised how supportive they are.
Cause honestly, there's nothing appealing about what you proposed. Sounds like the same effing old to me.


Well put.

Honestly, OP, what's the difference between you and every other vlogger out there who wants to start their own Slendervlogs, aside from your claim that you can do better than them? A lot of no-name series start with the exact attitude you have and, well...

A collaborative effort among creators to make a "Back to the roots" Slenderman film/vlog isn't a bad idea, but you've provided no evidence as to what would make it any different than the millions of other vlogs out there.

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-Etrocal
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If I thought I was some different tier of creator and thought I had the ability to come right out the gate and make something great I'd probably just have done that. I think the unique thing I'm proposing here is exactly what I said, actual collaboration rather than any given vlogger who does something alone.

In all fairness I can't say I've been nearly as proactive in watching every new series as I'd like to be, but that's the biggest weak point in the verse, they all start to blend together even when some stories have some unique elements. This isn't to say I'm not trying to stay on top of things but there's an overwhelmingly large number of blogs that are, in practice, very similar.

The novelty is totally worn, slendy jump scares and silent videos running around in cool looking environments aren't anywhere close to as engaging as they used to be, so I want to actually look at another possible angle (that's why I'm aiming away from a blog format in favor of something slightly more structured, probably shy away from the ARG/found footage feel. Not 100% on that but it's where my head is now). In some cases like TT I see people valuing the production value more than the content itself, or the ideas more than the execution. That's how you end up with Hylo, all style and no substance. I'm not worried about being able to produce something that looks good, I'm worried about being able to write something that -is- good.

As for contacting specific creators, I figured to jumpstart something a post here is a pretty good way to start things off. Anybody still interested in Slendy will find it and anyone burned out won't, so it seems like the results would be pretty similar. Of course if you know of anybody who you think might be interested I'd love to hear, that's the point.

And I did sorta come here naked, that's totally true and is completely my fault. Of course I've got an idea for a story and I have a couple of what I think are fun concepts that could work in a movie, but I was just trying to gauge reactions from people before really trying to jump into anything. This isn't me saying I HAVE A THING COME HELP, it's just me asking if people would be interested in working together rather than separately. It seems more people jump the gun and then retcon with collaboration, but to me that's just lack of foresight.

I guess a bit of background would make sense though, my first 'enlistment' post was in 2011, here: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31927

I've always set out to be a director but in the meantime managed to find myself as a cinematographer/gaffer on a lot of movies, primarily film school in/near LA (USC, AFI, Chapman, yadda) I'm just now wrapping up a short film called Rotten Love that I shot two years ago that got buried in post hell, but is coming out at the end of the month (a ROUGH cut is available here just to show I'm not full of shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfwBE4YKsew&spfreload=10) Course it's a few years old and my technical skills have gotten way better, that's the most recent thing I've written and directed.

The last couple months I've been pulling away from crew work as I mentioned, specifically working on trying to make an adaptation of the creepypasta Psychosis, which is still in the works. Once the zombie movie gets done I'm planning on doing this next as a mid-sized project to get back on my feet. My imdb page is here http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5850787/ and my DP reel is on it. I've also dabbled in music videos, which I'll throw in a couple links to because they're more recent and I think a better representation of the kind of visuals I can produce.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pSapsUsxs
https://vimeo.com/96654597
https://vimeo.com/111085789
https://vimeo.com/86545338


Sorry for turning this into a resume but I think for the most part a good amount of my work should do a bit of standing for itself. (I promise I'm not trying to self-promote any more than it takes to show at least that I'm not just a troll) I am still just some joe schmo with a camera but I'm trying to take the right steps before turning it around at myself and putting something online. I'm working on a writeup of the plot I'm considering for a possible film but it's still very rough around the edges, so I came here.

The story I'm current playing around with is taking a more cinematic-meta approach. It seems all of the bigger slendy productions try to pretend SM doesn't exist as an internet phenomena (except Proxy), and although it can be cliche as hell I think having the characters in the film acknowledge the series' would be a good kicking off point for a protagonist to rediscover an old tape he shot (tentatively of a younger sisters choir performance,) realizing that it's highly distorted. Enthused, he'd try to track down the members of the choir, slendy's possible prey, and as usual get in way over his head. I've just been tossing ideas around for a few years, this is the result of that. There's a fine line between going back to roots and becoming derivative, and I'm actively thinking about a way to make it work. (I do think I have a fun ending but it's not nearly clean enough to post here, one I have a writeup I'll get it up.)


I know it's a bitch to get noticed in such an oversaturated market, if not impossible. I'd never shit on vloggers for not having the production capabilities to make something new, but I will blame them for not adapting instead of producing the same effing old. I do know there's some legal stuff as to who hold the SM copyright, I know that people have tried to do what I'm saying (do we know what ended up happening to Entity?), and I know that in any case it's a big commitment, so I'm not here to commit. I'm just seeing if people are into something like this.

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TheOnlyOne
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You can count me in. I consider myself a particularly creative writer, so if you are in need of story-aid or new ideas or writing a script, please email me.

ThePremierArbiter(at)gmail.com

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A Slender Editor
Boot

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Two thoughts:

First, my concern with this would be keeping a coherent storyline running, where things aren't constantly contradicting themselves and you can set up some decent foreshadowing. This is difficult with multiple writers unless you've got a head writer in control and a "series bible" to help the writers stay in scope and on track.

Second, there's one thing I have yet to see anyone do, which is a good slow buildup for an ARG - I'm talking spending a year or so with multiple accounts laying the (seemingly mundane) groundwork for what is to come. Think EMH's first several episodes, minus the "fake slendy" - but on a larger scale. Have a dozen or so accounts across multiple platforms running, with stuff hidden in them that won't be noticed as important until someone starts connecting the dots.

Note: If you do the slow intertwined buildup, it's more important than ever to make sure you have a head writer and a bible in place so you can properly be tying everything together before anyone even notices.

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-Etrocal
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I've always been interested in slow buildups like that, and ice executed properly could be outstanding, but I think at this point if somebody put in all the excruciatingly large amount of effort to do that it shouldn't be slender man. That'd be a lot of setup for a payoff that people already know about, is my concern.

Definitely there'd have to be a head writer/writers, but I'm not worried about coherency so long as it's just in the spitballing process. All it needs is a good screenplay, so long as nothing's done on the fly.

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A Slender Editor
Boot

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-Etrocal wrote:
I've always been interested in slow buildups like that, and ice executed properly could be outstanding, but I think at this point if somebody put in all the excruciatingly large amount of effort to do that it shouldn't be slender man. That'd be a lot of setup for a payoff that people already know about, is my concern.
It could work if SM isn't the main thing, or is masked well enough. Make it like the shark in Jaws - SM almost never makes an on-screen appearance. The storyline primarily concerns everything but SM - he's the catalyst, but not necessarily the end-game. Everything in the plot revolves around him, but he's not the primary threat.

Alternatively, you could work it on the tulpa angle - this would bring it close to a script I'd been thinking about for a little while, with some genre-savvy characters - both pro and con. As SM is involved, but only in part, it may not be what you're thinking of doing.

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IanStebbins
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So instead of the usual vlog arg you want to try something cinematic? Or you just don't want to make it start like a vlog thing?

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HermannFegelien
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One of the key scenes that you most likely will need is the crucial part where the Slenderman ask's his victims to give him his $20.



YouTube: Link


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AmberFire
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I have a Screenplay for you

-Etrocal: I really enjoyed your Rotten Love, it is great and you still call yourself "just some joe schmo with a camera."

I'm a long time fan of this whole Slendervlog and ARG thing. As I writer I've been analyzing all the complaints people have a bout various series and I although I know there is no way to make everyone happy I think I've problem solved a lot of things.
I have written a screenplay which is inspired by everything done here but it's not the same. Mine doesn't actually have SM in it. A Slender Editor, makes a great point. In thriller/horror/physiological you don't see your main monster. The plot revolves around it.
A lot of Vlogs slow down or become 'boring' because the nature of this fiction is to have themes of helplessless, which results in an inactive or reactionary MC(Main Character). MC waits for something bad to happen or for a clue to show up on his doorstep. People like to watch MC's who actively work towards a goal, meaning proactive.

Because of all this (and more but I didn't want to make this an essay) I wrote my own screenplay. I have the broadstrokes for the first (season/character arcs) and the first quarter written word for word (though things can be changed). But to warn you, it does not actually feature SM. (I've watched a lot of vlogs as well)
This one features plot elements which explains and deals with why they video things, and why it get uploaded even though some of the stuff is very personal. (Found footage, but the people are still alive.)

So.. you were thinking of doing Slender Man and not doing found footage, this isn't that but it has the spirit of a slender vlog, while being something new.

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