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The Happy Madman
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The assumption that Jay was hostile towards Tim seems to come from the preceding entry, where Jay frickin' tackled Tim to nab his tape. I think Jay didn't come with the intent to harm Tim, but in self-defence, and to possibly threaten/interrogate him. He did seem pretty loony after Tim restrained him, however.
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The Happy Madman wrote:
The assumption that Jay was hostile towards Tim seems to come from the preceding entry, where Jay frickin' tackled Tim to nab his tape. I think Jay didn't come with the intent to harm Tim, but in self-defence, and to possibly threaten/interrogate him. He did seem pretty loony after Tim restrained him, however.


To me it seemed more "I've had enough of this cryptic double-sided who-knows-if-you're-lying bullshit, you're crazy, I might be crazy, but damnit, I want some freaking ANSWERS." This is a part where it's prudent to remember how long Jay has been dealing with this sort of stuff.

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Zarggg wrote:
brianlane723 wrote:
What is Jay seeing that he knows isn't there? How does he know it isn't there? Or is he referencing his earlier bouts with seeing TO and Hoody when they didn't appear on the camera?

I believe that Jay is referencing the Operator here, calling back to when he claimed to be seeing the Operator in the fields behind Tim's house, but it did not show up on the footage.

Oddly, my first thought about that here was that Jay thinks he's hallucinating the Operator in this video, when it is actually there.


This is exactly what I think. Couldn't have said it better, though I didn't think it was an odd thought at all. After 72, it makes perfect sense.

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Perhaps Jay isn't hallucinating; maybe he has obtained heightened Slendy-Senses? After all, he was the first to know that the Øperator was nearby in 72, but Tim disregarded it, stating it was just a hallucination.
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Zarggg wrote:
brianlane723 wrote:
What is Jay seeing that he knows isn't there? How does he know it isn't there? Or is he referencing his earlier bouts with seeing TO and Hoody when they didn't appear on the camera?

I believe that Jay is referencing the Operator here, calling back to when he claimed to be seeing the Operator in the fields behind Tim's house, but it did not show up on the footage.

Oddly, my first thought about that here was that Jay thinks he's hallucinating the Operator in this video, when it is actually there.


In 72? That was Alex's house. lol
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I still think Jay seeing the operator when he wasn't there is just them saying "Jay is getting so paranoid from being stalked that he is imagining his stalker existing even when he's not around." Not necessarily "Jay is getting sick and is actually seeing the operator but it's not appearing on video"

However this time was the other way around, Jay telling himself he wasn't there, as a psychological defense mechanism to help calm him down, possibly a play on the previously mentioned incidents

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The Happy Madman wrote:
Perhaps Jay isn't hallucinating; maybe he has obtained heightened Slendy-Senses? After all, he was the first to know that the Øperator was nearby in 72, but Tim disregarded it, stating it was just a hallucination.


Well, what changed between #72 and now? Tim used the plumber's helper to cram a whole mess of pills down his gullet. Tim was taking his medication steadily during the events of #72, and wrote off the initial sighting as a hallucination. Jay saw it, though. And Jay hadn't been off the medication for very long during #82. I think one of the residual effects of the pills is over rationalization. They see the Operator, but since it isn't right up in their faces, it's thought to not be there at all; it's a hallucination.

If that's the case, it's a hell of a trade off for someone like Tim; take the pills, retain your identity, but don't trust your eyes.

It's like they offer protection from the Operator's effects while simultaneously instilling a particularly virulent strain of Genre Blindness.

I could, as always, be entirely incorrect, but I have a feeling there's something to this.

Also, this may not have been purely the Operator's doing. He did his thing to the intrepid Jay, yes, which likely left him unstable, but I don't think he went full proxy. And I hate to say it, but I suspect Hoody involvement. He always seemed to be directing Masky in one way or another. If he wanted the confrontation, all he had to do was spend a few minutes with psychologically-weakened Jay convincing him that Tim killed Jessica. Then he handed him a potato peeler, stuffed some zipties in his back pocket, and sent him on his merry way. This is pure speculation, of course.

Final question about the call: if Tim never received it, why did he wait so long to go to the college in #77? It always struck me as a little weird that Tim would hang out until thirty seconds after Jay shows up to go find someone who is supposed to be a hostage. At the time, I figured he was waiting to subdue a furious Jay, which didn't make any sense in terms of protecting anyone (considering how easily Hoody came in); now, I think he might've gotten the voice mail, and waited to speak to apologetic, understanding and friendly Jay. Jay did say that he would come by the house to talk. Once he saw that it wasn't what he expected, he left without him. This scenario makes more sense to me than the original narrative led me to believe. Unfortunately, it hinges upon Tim lying to us, which I'm having trouble believing.

Damn it, questions.

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Master of Octopi wrote:
If that's the case, it's a hell of a trade off for someone like Tim; take the pills, retain your identity, but don't trust your eyes.

It's like they offer protection from the Operator's effects while simultaneously instilling a particularly virulent strain of Genre Blindness.

I could, as always, be entirely incorrect, but I have a feeling there's something to this.

It's not entirely that, though. When Tim didn't see the Operator the camera didn't either, and they stopped recording and reviewed the tape to be sure. And occasionally the camera sees the Operator but neither Tim nor Jay seems to notice.

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So this is what I couldn't shake out of my head last night whilst trying to sleep: is it possible that Alex is in fact The Ark? In my theory now, I will make assumptions, and also in my text Ark = Alex, Hoody = Brian. And Hoody = TTA.

Like this:

We have our main evil entity (TO), however he can't physically hurt people on this planet/in this dimension/where we are currently at. Due to this, TO chooses a person to act as his Proxy pretty much. A person that he has control over, that does all of his physical hurting of the people around him/her. This proxy is also known as The Ark. At first when TO chooses his Proxy, the link is weak and he might not have total control, which is why he first stalks his chosen Proxy to put them at a mental state where it's easier to remain in control. This is where our story sort of starts.

Alex was stalked by TO for a very long time, during which his mental state deteriorated and TO was able to eventually make Alex his Proxy. Alex is now The Ark.

During the events that went down with Brian (this can be changed to Seth, Sarah, or anyone who this most likely happened to but I'm sticking with Brian for now), where Alex tried to get rid of him - Alex somehow revealed this to Brian before attempting to kill him. He might've said something in lines with "I'm sorry Brian, I need to do this. I can't help being the Ark, he made me" - or whatever you see fit. Thinking that Brian was going to die, that wasn't really important to keep secret. However, after all of this takes place, Brian somehow survives and goes underground in hiding. He might possibly also have gained insight on TO and possibly even knowledge of protection. He "becomes"/creates the youtube account TTA, and goes on a quest for Alex - which he now knows is the Ark and has to be taken care of. He disguises himself in the videos (as in, makes no real appearances and doesn't talk) so that Jay won't know who he is at this point, also Alex isn't supposed to know that he survived/escaped slendyverse (where I think he was indeed taken at first).

At some point his videos on TTA channel just aren't good enough to lead his quest forward and he decides to go out and get more involved. This is when Hoody is created to mask his true identity. Hoody goes around and films/takes pictures, picks up cameras, cuts Jay lose and so on - because he knows that he needs the help of Jay to find Alex. It could also have been Hoody who wrote the "Find Alex. Find The Ark." note, but wasn't intending for Jay to find it at that point, or even at all. Either way, it still sounded like Alex = The Ark, something only Hoody at this point would've known.

End of theory.

Note that I have intentionally left Tim/Masky out of this theory, because he complicates things quite a bit. Feel free to shoot a million holes in this theory, it was just a strange idea I couldn't shake last night.

EDIT: This is also suitable for the message towards the end of "Quadrant" which says "They didn't know how to leave." which I think is a reference to the rest of the characters being stuck in slenderverse. Only Brian and Tim (+their alternative personas) have ever gotten out. I believe that Tim/Masky and Brian/Hoody went through the exact same thing, however I think Hoody has control over his alternative persona, that it's more of a literal mask rather than something he'd turn into and not remember later.

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At least your theory of Alex being The Ark didn't boil down to his initials. It sounds plausible.

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Wondertje wrote:
So this is what I couldn't shake out of my head last night whilst trying to sleep: is it possible that Alex is in fact The Ark? In my theory now, I will make assumptions, and also in my text Ark = Alex, Hoody = Brian. And Hoody = TTA.

Like this:

We have our main evil entity (TO), however he can't physically hurt people on this planet/in this dimension/where we are currently at. Due to this, TO chooses a person to act as his Proxy pretty much. A person that he has control over, that does all of his physical hurting of the people around him/her. This proxy is also known as The Ark. At first when TO chooses his Proxy, the link is weak and he might not have total control, which is why he first stalks his chosen Proxy to put them at a mental state where it's easier to remain in control. This is where our story sort of starts.

Alex was stalked by TO for a very long time, during which his mental state deteriorated and TO was able to eventually make Alex his Proxy. Alex is now The Ark.

During the events that went down with Brian (this can be changed to Seth, Sarah, or anyone who this most likely happened to but I'm sticking with Brian for now), where Alex tried to get rid of him - Alex somehow revealed this to Brian before attempting to kill him. He might've said something in lines with "I'm sorry Brian, I need to do this. I can't help being the Ark, he made me" - or whatever you see fit. Thinking that Brian was going to die, that wasn't really important to keep secret. However, after all of this takes place, Brian somehow survives and goes underground in hiding. He might possibly also have gained insight on TO and possibly even knowledge of protection. He "becomes"/creates the youtube account TTA, and goes on a quest for Alex - which he now knows is the Ark and has to be taken care of. He disguises himself in the videos (as in, makes no real appearances and doesn't talk) so that Jay won't know who he is at this point, also Alex isn't supposed to know that he survived/escaped slendyverse (where I think he was indeed taken at first).

At some point his videos on TTA channel just aren't good enough to lead his quest forward and he decides to go out and get more involved. This is when Hoody is created to mask his true identity. Hoody goes around and films/takes pictures, picks up cameras, cuts Jay lose and so on - because he knows that he needs the help of Jay to find Alex. It could also have been Hoody who wrote the "Find Alex. Find The Ark." note, but wasn't intending for Jay to find it at that point, or even at all. Either way, it still sounded like Alex = The Ark, something only Hoody at this point would've known.

End of theory.

Note that I have intentionally left Tim/Masky out of this theory, because he complicates things quite a bit. Feel free to shoot a million holes in this theory, it was just a strange idea I couldn't shake last night.

EDIT: This is also suitable for the message towards the end of "Quadrant" which says "They didn't know how to leave." which I think is a reference to the rest of the characters being stuck in slenderverse. Only Brian and Tim (+their alternative personas) have ever gotten out. I believe that Tim/Masky and Brian/Hoody went through the exact same thing, however I think Hoody has control over his alternative persona, that it's more of a literal mask rather than something he'd turn into and not remember later.


I still think Tim/Masky was totheark in season 1 though. other than that it does seem plausible.

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Did anyone notice Tim limping? I think he was Masky in the beginning of the video when he found Jay's laptop.

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Wondertje wrote:
Alex = The Ark theory


A nice theory, but it doesn't explain how Alex was able to escape the Øperator's control before season 2. It's logical, what with Totheark's videos mainly being directed towards him.
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thisistheend wrote:
Did anyone notice Tim limping? I think he was Masky in the beginning of the video when he found Jay's laptop.


Tim going masky for a while would explain both the missing phone call and why Jay turned "violent" on him.

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gennerx wrote:
thisistheend wrote:
Did anyone notice Tim limping? I think he was Masky in the beginning of the video when he found Jay's laptop.


Tim going masky for a while would explain both the missing phone call and why Jay turned "violent" on him.


If Tim did turn Masky, which I'm not fully agreeing with - I don't think he turned Masky until after what went on in Benedict Hall. Seeing as Tim appeared to have brought his pills in the back of his car to Bendict Hall (after Jay's outburst of violence) and someone (presumably Hoody) stole them, he wouldn't have gone Masky until after the phone call happened and after Jay's outburst of violence.

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