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DarKWolF90 wrote:
Are we really considering that TO is impersonating people over the phone?? I mean it's possible, but it's too far fetched... even for Marble Hornets. Never before has TO even come close to doing such a specific thing... Nor has Marble Hornets ever applied such a concept in the series, why complicate things such at this crucial point in the story?


I'm not considering it. I'm considering that TO made the call drop after the voicemail picked up and Jay didn't notice. To explain why Tim didn't get it, we know it went straight to voice mail when Jay called. If phone was off, or Tim was in an area with poor signal, it wouldn't have shown a missed call. The voicemail part can be explained with the possibility that the carrier Tim uses has one of those stupid systems where you have to press 1 to send the message to voice mail after leaving the voice mail. If the call was cut off before you could save and send the message, it will not save the voicemail.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
DarKWolF90 wrote:
Are we really considering that TO is impersonating people over the phone?? I mean it's possible, but it's too far fetched... even for Marble Hornets. Never before has TO even come close to doing such a specific thing... Nor has Marble Hornets ever applied such a concept in the series, why complicate things such at this crucial point in the story?


I'm not considering it. I'm considering that TO made the call drop after the voicemail picked up and Jay didn't notice. To explain why Tim didn't get it, we know it went straight to voice mail when Jay called. If phone was off, or Tim was in an area with poor signal, it wouldn't have shown a missed call. The voicemail part can be explained with the possibility that the carrier Tim uses has one of those stupid systems where you have to press 1 to send the message to voice mail after leaving the voice mail. If the call was cut off before you could save and send the message, it will not save the voicemail.


This is possibly the best explanation for the missing call if you want to assume the problem was on Jay's side, rather than on Tim's side. So both ways are now coherent and rational. Therefore, the decision between one of them cannot be argued on the grounds of the phone call itself not reaching Tim.

Putting the problem on Tim's side feels more exciting to me, because it enables more options of what could have happened and could be used for more different ways of how things went. From "Tim is lying to us in #82.", via "Tim got the call, but TO made him forget." up until "Hoody got his hands on Tim's phone and erased that message.", everything is fair game to be put into perspective and to be fitted into one theory.
If one were inclined to stick with the explanation of the missing call to be located on Jay's side of things, then it probably boils down to explanation cited above, or maybe some other forms of "Jay tried to call, but TO made it not happen." However, that's pretty much it. Nothing more to get out of this call. Theorizing about what made Jay so rapidly change his mood is as open to the people who assume that the call went through but something happened on Tim's side of things, as it is to people who assume the call did not went through because TO somehow intercepted the call.
Therefore, the assumption that the call went through leaves more room for possible explanations, Whether this is good or bad is in the eye of the beholder.

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Well Pg.19 Here we are!

For those of you who are going to read this I waited a while to give my opinion of the entry solely to pass by all the crazies. I think that this entry wasn't terrible but it did open up conversation about halucinations that Jay may or May not be experiencing, pertaining to your opinion. I thought it funny to show Tim just doing ordinary things then he acts all drunk/ sick. Why is he using Jay's car? lol but the fact that they even showed that is hinting at everyone's favorite phycho coming back! looking forward to seeing some masky. Well I'll see you guys next entry thread! (get ready for friday you TT fans!) Laughing

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Why wouldn't he search Jay's car. Jay is dead (and/or gone), the only way to get any pieces of this puzzle he was holding is to search for them. It's not like he's going to upload a postmortem #.5 video to help Tim out.

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I'm no expert on mobile phones nor technical things when it comes to them, and I really don't mean to poke in anyone's eyes here - all I wanted to bring up was that it's not too much of a stretch to imagine TO doing some crazy shit with that phone call. Apart from that, I'm also quite under the impression that this phone call and the one that Jay gets from Alex ("Leave. Now!") are connected, not necessarily directly, but I'm certain that TO had a finger in the game regarding both of these calls.

Also I wanted to add that if we make the assumption that Tim's mobile did get the message, saved and everything - then either Tim is lying or someone else deleted it - possibly TO took Tim/changed his memory. I've seen some people talk about how Tim might've been Masky, but that makes no sense considering the time line. He didn't lose his pills until after all of this took place, and unless he intentionally skipped taking them to become Masky (which I doubt he did), there's no reason for him to turn Masky at the time of the call as far as we know.

But to be honest, I think most ideas brought up are plausible, whether they play into the technical part or the idea that TO is a crazy, crazy being who can do crazy, crazy things - we'll just have to wait to see it explained later.

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This might sound silly to all of you, but tell me if you think its plausible. Sorry in advance for the long paragraphs.

Greenhouse Theory:

- The other side of the tunnel (or Rosswood in general) acts similar to a greenhouse dome/bubble. Anything within the greenhouse can be changed and or switched around at the will of TO. He can take things in, and also take things out. The changes of certain locations may be due to this.

- At the same time, the bubble can prevent radio and cell phone signals from leaving the area until the person on the receiving end walks through the tunnel and into the dome/bubble, which is when they would get the call. Signals buzz around aimlessly like trapped flies until the point where their target would walk in and the signal would find its place.

- Another possibility is that the other side of the tunnel is also the infamous "Slender Realm" that people speak about from time to time. It is with a grain of salt that I suggest this, but most of the time when we've seen the Slender Realm it had some parts of the real world with it (such as cement ground, maybe some shrubs, etc, etc).

- Its also possible that TO can make these small Operator Areas in which he has control over everything inside of it. This would also explain the time lapses in 72 at Alex's old house, Slender Holes, etc.

No legit psychics or math involved. Just straight up supernatural and imagination. That's how I like to do things. For some reason the physics theories always make me shake my head and say "was this really the intension of Troy to dig hard in theories of math and physics?" The recent Slender calling people using someone else's voicemail only left a funny image in my head and I never agreed with time travel. Overall, this is how I saw this entire situation after so long.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
DarKWolF90 wrote:
Are we really considering that TO is impersonating people over the phone?? I mean it's possible, but it's too far fetched... even for Marble Hornets. Never before has TO even come close to doing such a specific thing... Nor has Marble Hornets ever applied such a concept in the series, why complicate things such at this crucial point in the story?


I'm not considering it. I'm considering that TO made the call drop after the voicemail picked up and Jay didn't notice. To explain why Tim didn't get it, we know it went straight to voice mail when Jay called. If phone was off, or Tim was in an area with poor signal, it wouldn't have shown a missed call. The voicemail part can be explained with the possibility that the carrier Tim uses has one of those stupid systems where you have to press 1 to send the message to voice mail after leaving the voice mail. If the call was cut off before you could save and send the message, it will not save the voicemail.



Ignoring for a moment as to what happened on Jays end since we can't seem to agree on that. Why do you think Tim's phone was off? Yes it's possible it was on and he didn't have any bars but I think it's more interesting to consider the first possibility. I'm leaning towards him having a Masky episode while this was going on.

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twistedpuppet wrote:
DarKWolF90 wrote:
Are we really considering that TO is impersonating people over the phone?? I mean it's possible, but it's too far fetched... even for Marble Hornets. Never before has TO even come close to doing such a specific thing... Nor has Marble Hornets ever applied such a concept in the series, why complicate things such at this crucial point in the story?


I'm not considering it. I'm considering that TO made the call drop after the voicemail picked up and Jay didn't notice. To explain why Tim didn't get it, we know it went straight to voice mail when Jay called. If phone was off, or Tim was in an area with poor signal, it wouldn't have shown a missed call. The voicemail part can be explained with the possibility that the carrier Tim uses has one of those stupid systems where you have to press 1 to send the message to voice mail after leaving the voice mail. If the call was cut off before you could save and send the message, it will not save the voicemail.


Those systems do not use a prerecorded greeting message like the one we heard. Since the prerecorded messages are stored within the voicemail service itself of each phone client, that is to say, to even HEAR the greeting message you have to actually get IN said voicemail, for that happening the call MUST GO THROUGH. Even if the call was dropped by TO when Jay was talking, it would've shown a missed call regardless... When you don't actually go through not even the voicemail service comes on your phone, not even those kind of services you spoke of, you just get an intermitent tone of no signal.

But let us assume for a second that what you're saying is possible... Looking back at the way plot, story, facts develop in MH, do you really think that's the way they're going with the missed call fact?

MH is known to toy with timelapses and memory, why would they go so technical and specific now? When they have an easier, more dramatic and much more obvious path to take as in the ways of doing things TO/Hoody/Tim/Jay have?

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Also, just rewatched the entry out of boredom.

There's something really rustling my jimmies.... And if some entry freak like you guys could confirm this that'd be great.

Did everyone notice how everytime anyone goes in the tunnel you just can't see what's on the other side besides a white light? and it only becomes clear once you're halfway through (and the side you came from turns into white light). I'm almost positive it was like this in all the other entries (Awesome light manipulation at filming by Troseph there, GJ! =) ).

So this leads me to think that whenever someone is walking through the tunnel it "triggers" TO's attention and thus he shifts the geography at will while said someone is going through the tunnel. That's why going around it never changed anything.... Im thinking just at THAT point about halfway through the tunnel there's a dimensional anomaly, maybe the actual entrance to the slendyverse.... Maybe the location where Tim will have to go and figure out how to get Jessica and Jay out.... IF they're alive.

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gennerx wrote:
I'm leaning towards him having a Masky episode while this was going on.


Wondertje wrote:
I've seen some people talk about how Tim might've been Masky, but that makes no sense considering the time line. He didn't lose his pills until after all of this took place, and unless he intentionally skipped taking them to become Masky (which I doubt he did), there's no reason for him to turn Masky at the time of the call as far as we know.


Please read what I wrote earlier and reply to that, because I really don't understand how people come to the conclusion that he was having a Masky episode at this time, and I'd love to understand that thought process Smile

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gennerx wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
DarKWolF90 wrote:
Are we really considering that TO is impersonating people over the phone?? I mean it's possible, but it's too far fetched... even for Marble Hornets. Never before has TO even come close to doing such a specific thing... Nor has Marble Hornets ever applied such a concept in the series, why complicate things such at this crucial point in the story?


I'm not considering it. I'm considering that TO made the call drop after the voicemail picked up and Jay didn't notice. To explain why Tim didn't get it, we know it went straight to voice mail when Jay called. If phone was off, or Tim was in an area with poor signal, it wouldn't have shown a missed call. The voicemail part can be explained with the possibility that the carrier Tim uses has one of those stupid systems where you have to press 1 to send the message to voice mail after leaving the voice mail. If the call was cut off before you could save and send the message, it will not save the voicemail.



Ignoring for a moment as to what happened on Jays end since we can't seem to agree on that. Why do you think Tim's phone was off? Yes it's possible it was on and he didn't have any bars but I think it's more interesting to consider the first possibility. I'm leaning towards him having a Masky episode while this was going on.



The reason I think the phone may have been off is because when you call someone and they have their phone either off, or it has no signal, it will go straight to voice mail without really ringing. I throw in that as an explanation for how Tim could not have known he got a call that day. I've had that happen to me. A missed won't show if you had no signal or the phone was turned off.

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DarKWolF90 wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
DarKWolF90 wrote:
Are we really considering that TO is impersonating people over the phone?? I mean it's possible, but it's too far fetched... even for Marble Hornets. Never before has TO even come close to doing such a specific thing... Nor has Marble Hornets ever applied such a concept in the series, why complicate things such at this crucial point in the story?


I'm not considering it. I'm considering that TO made the call drop after the voicemail picked up and Jay didn't notice. To explain why Tim didn't get it, we know it went straight to voice mail when Jay called. If phone was off, or Tim was in an area with poor signal, it wouldn't have shown a missed call. The voicemail part can be explained with the possibility that the carrier Tim uses has one of those stupid systems where you have to press 1 to send the message to voice mail after leaving the voice mail. If the call was cut off before you could save and send the message, it will not save the voicemail.


Those systems do not use a prerecorded greeting message like the one we heard. Since the prerecorded messages are stored within the voicemail service itself of each phone client, that is to say, to even HEAR the greeting message you have to actually get IN said voicemail, for that happening the call MUST GO THROUGH. Even if the call was dropped by TO when Jay was talking, it would've shown a missed call regardless... When you don't actually go through not even the voicemail service comes on your phone, not even those kind of services you spoke of, you just get an intermitent tone of no signal.

But let us assume for a second that what you're saying is possible... Looking back at the way plot, story, facts develop in MH, do you really think that's the way they're going with the missed call fact?

MH is known to toy with timelapses and memory, why would they go so technical and specific now? When they have an easier, more dramatic and much more obvious path to take as in the ways of doing things TO/Hoody/Tim/Jay have?


I want to address the part about the systems that make you press a button to save the voicemail, yes, they do let you set up a voicemail message. I remember specifically, T-Mobile used to do this. Now days, it's mostly pre-paid phones that do it. My old Tracphone did it and I was able to set up a voicemail message.

Now, you could still chalk this up to TO fucking with Tim's memory, but the phone wouldn't lie. If he got the call and the VM but didn't remember it, the evidence of the call coming in would still be on his phone. The voicemail might not, but the call still would. The only other explanation I can think of is that TO forced a call drop(because it has not been established that TO can mimic voices) after Jay started to leave the voice mail message. Now, on a cell phone, you don't get a nifty buzzing dial tone to let you know the call dropped. You usually just get silence and often you won't notice the call dropped until after you're done speaking. I've had this happen to me several times. So, that could explain how Jay could continue leaving a message without knowing that the call had already dropped.

The reason I don't think Tim just "forgot" the voicemail is because he was on his meds during the time Jay would have left the voicemail message and well after Jay got back and decided to attack Tim. That's why I figured the voicemail didn't save. Of course, it could also just be that the voicemail was blank and Tim thought it was a bill collector because most VM services do not store the number that left the voicemail.

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Soiler for OOG/potential metagaming:
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I really don't think that Troy & Co. considered how cell phone companies manage the actual function of voicemail for this Entry. Either Tim is lying to us about not getting a call, his memory has been compromised, or the Operator somehow interfered with the call/voicemail delivery.

Until I have further evidence about this situation, I personally believe the third one.


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Zarggg wrote:
Soiler for OOG/potential metagaming:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I really don't think that Troy & Co. considered how cell phone companies manage the actual function of voicemail for this Entry. Either Tim is lying to us about not getting a call, his memory has been compromised, or the Operator somehow interfered with the call/voicemail delivery.

Until I have further evidence about this situation, I personally believe the third one.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Why? Occam's Razor recommends we make no more assumptions than necessary. We've never seen the Operator fake someone's voice on a cellphone call or interfere with one that we know of. So if that's what happened, we have to assume a power for the Operator he has not otherwise shown. However, if there's one thing we know the Operator DOES do, it's interfere with memories.


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DarKWolF90 wrote:
Also, just rewatched the entry out of boredom.

There's something really rustling my jimmies.... And if some entry freak like you guys could confirm this that'd be great.

Did everyone notice how everytime anyone goes in the tunnel you just can't see what's on the other side besides a white light? and it only becomes clear once you're halfway through (and the side you came from turns into white light). I'm almost positive it was like this in all the other entries (Awesome light manipulation at filming by Troseph there, GJ! =) ).

So this leads me to think that whenever someone is walking through the tunnel it "triggers" TO's attention and thus he shifts the geography at will while said someone is going through the tunnel. That's why going around it never changed anything.... Im thinking just at THAT point about halfway through the tunnel there's a dimensional anomaly, maybe the actual entrance to the slendyverse.... Maybe the location where Tim will have to go and figure out how to get Jessica and Jay out.... IF they're alive.


THIS is exactly what i was thinking about. That white light effect, there has to be something to that, it is almost always there.

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