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[Marble Hornets]

Also they basically said in their latest podcast that a lot of S1 stuff wasn't planned out and kind of just filmed on a "this would look cool" basis. I never really take s1 stuff into consideration for theories because i've always felt that was the case.

Like, it's clear that in s1 masky was supposed to be totheark. IDK. People will say we *have* to use season 1 stuff in our theories because it is still canon by definition, but from a creative standpoint I have to imagine a lot of the ideas were scrapped later on. And that's assumption, but I feel it's an educated assumption and am willing to admit when something directly contradicts a theory from s1.

[JAL13]

[twistedpuppet]

[Osttle]

[yamam]

To be fair, the fact that Tim didn't ever get the voice mail does suggest that there is something paranormal going on. OOG it seems like a way to strongly hint that TO interfered somehow.

[MariahTedder]

If Tim HAD received the voicemail but forgot about it, it would still be on his phone UNLESS if TO erased it.

[DHawk314]

See you people are thinking about this too much. Occam's Razor cannot be applied to fiction. Yes, in real life, a simple explanation is more likely than an analogous complex one. But in fiction, the simplest explanation is not always right. The writers have zero motivation to make the explanation simpler unless they're going for realism, which fyi they're not.

The simplest explanation to say, totheark's motives would be that the ark means nothing and he's just a crazy man, and that his decision to have Jay killed was just a random change in motive because he's insane. We already essentially know totheark is crazy, so that does not add anymore variables. But that would be shitty writing and so it's not more likely to turn out true just because it's the simplest.

An equivalent rule for fiction would be, if there's an amount of actual IG evidence for two theories, the better written one is more likely to be true. Sometimes this means the more realistic one, which theoretically is more likely to be the simpler one, but in this case it's irrelevant.

Going back to the fact that you guys are thinking about things too much: The phone is a plot device. Jay calls Tim as a method of exposition, to show his change in motive between this entry and 77. Tim not knowing about this is important to how he acts in 77; he hardly seems to expect Jay's arrival the way he would had he heard the message.

The Operator is full of supernatural bullshit, he can get rid of memories, fuck up technology, mess with time at least a little bit, and change the spacial layout of forests and shit, and one of those things caused a communication problem having to do with a cellphone. Will we ever find out which done? Like almost definitely not. Are any of them more likely than the other? Ya if you wanna be really really really pedantic, the memory loss thing is closer to what we've physically seen the Operator do than that he just messed with the phone's technology, since we've only seen him mess with cameras, but it really could be any of them. Big important question: Considering it doesn't affect the plot and we'll never find out, does it actually matter? Answer: Well technically that's subjective but I'm gonna say no.

tl;dr Occam's Razor is bullshit to use in this context, there's no way of knowing how the call was blocked or whatever happened, and no random explanation is "More likely" than any other. It's true occasionally theorists bend the facts to fit theories, and it's annoying because you see them doing it and its obviously a bullshit theory anyway, and they'd know if they thought for a second the creator didn't intend it, and they're just stretching shit for the sake of it. This isn't one of those cases, the creators might have intended a technological explanation, they might not have, and it doesn't actually matter.

[SilentMedusa]

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but on rewatching this I just noticed Tim did not seem very steady on his feet here. It seems a little ominous, considering his statement that he hasn't had his medication for some time.

As for the missing voice mail thing, I'm going to to assume TO did something to keep Tim from getting it, because that's the explanation that makes the most sense to me.

[Wondertje]

[The Happy Madman]

[JAL13]

[Marble Hornets]

It's also possible he just emits radiation (which would tie into the visual distortion on cameras) but i'd like to think he didn't come into existence the same way the ninja turtles did

[DHawk314]

Aww tanks guys.

[Kraehtot]

[Marble Hornets]

you know what else is sketchy though

jay had time to upload this video about rosswood switching around but he didn't

this implies one of two things

1) jay didn't want it to be seen (unlikely)

2) tying into my theory on the previous page, jay uploaded the video to his pc in a blackout state fully aware of doing so, but "normal jay" didn't think to look for it. this same instance could have happened with entry 29, although i'd like to believe that was just alex going back the next day after seeing what he did in his own blackout state. if the former is true, it could mean that "blackout jay" and "normal jay" have conflicting interests. mainly because he uploaded it to his pc, but not to the mh youtube.