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[The Happy Madman]

Perhaps I should amend my theory.

We know that Hoody has been after Tim's pills for quite some time now. Hoody consumes his last few pills and immediately goes to Tim's house for more. Tim goes outside for irrelevant reasons, encounters the Øperator, then returns to his room to aquire his only means of self defense, but they've already been stolen by Hoody. If slender-sickness spikes happen frequently, I'd carry my pills on me wherever I go, which Tim wasn't really doing. It's more than likely that the spikes are caused by the sudden appearance of TØ, which Tim was not expecting, and what caused him to rush to get his pills.

[Marble Hornets]

[The Happy Madman]

Would you care rationalize a valid rebuttal, something that can offer further insight for all of us, instead of disregarding my theory without offering any explanation whatsoever? I can appreciate a logical counter-argument, but a simple "nope" won't suffice, my friend.

[SilentMedusa]

Well, it seems Tim didn't make the connection between his pills and The Operator (or rather, protection from TO) until after Entry #72. So even if he did see TO outside, his reaction wouldn't have been "oh, I need my pills". Since the pills seem to be seizure medication, rather than anti-psychotics.

[Sha Noran]

[Sha Noran]

Whilst reviewing the series, I noticed (and felt compelled to point out) that Entry 42 also has some strange timey wimey voicemail things happening as well.

[Ascalondion]

[Sha Noran]

Yes Alex "changes", so to speak, after his encounters with TO in 43 and 44. But that's another topic altogether.

In Entry 40-42, Jay goes into Rosswood alone because he's tired of waiting for Alex. Jay calls and leaves 2 voicemails to Alex before encountering TO, dropping his camera and running. Hoody manages to retrieve the camera, take a leisurely stroll (stopping to film random BS) and puts the camera back in Jay's car before Jay returns himself. Alex arrives, searches for Jay and recieves the voicemails what must have been much later than when Jay left them because when Alex finally bumps into Jay running for his life, Jay says he has been running for "miles" and says he was "miles" into the woods. Before Jay and Alex find each other, however, Alex tries to call Jay, and leaves a message - Jay never mentions receiving it, and I think Jay's phone goes straight to voicemail... Just like when Jay tried to call Tim in 82. I think we saw a large sequence through 40-42 that are a precedent for Rosswood shifting and also voicemails being buggy or vanished, we just chalked a lot of it up as unexplained at the time.

Also, as I continued my playthrough of the series, I noticed something in Entry 49 that also struck me as worth noting. After Alex finishes Bruce off with the rock, he walks behind the camera (down the tunnel) and is not visible nor audible for a bit - during this time, TO appears and then disappears along with the corpse of Bruce. AFTER they are gone, Alex comes back down the tunnel and into frame. Now, we've always been a bit stumped as to the reasoning behind when TO does or doesn't appear... Well what if in this case, Alex went down the tunnel to the other side and triggered Rosswood shifty time, which also brings about TO himself, as we see in 82. Granted we have decent evidence that Alex was heavily influenced by TO in 49 given the kill and rage seem random, TO swoops in immediately to "take" Bruce, and Alex doesn't remember later (as evidenced in Entry 29), BUT it was an interesting thought in light of 82.

[Wondertje]

To be honest, I'm still not convinced that the happenings in 40, 41 and 42 shows that the phones are messed up (in that case). It could all be explained by Jay being in shock and simpy not mentioning that Alex called, since we see it in the entry anyway. I always broke it down like this (hours are random, because it's the easiest way to show how I think).

10:00 - Jay arrives at park, calls Alex & leaves first voice mail. Hoody is standing at the tree.
10:15 - Jay gets tired of waiting and enters the woods.
10:35 - Jay wanders around in the woods and sits down to leave another voice mail. (He says himself he's about 15-20-ish minutes from being out.

TO appears.

10:40 Jay drops his camera and starts running.

10:55 Hoody was following Jay around, picks up the camera and starts walking out to the car. Taking the straight route, 15 minutes-ish from where camera was dropped.
11:10 Hoody places the camera in the car and walks off.

11:15 - Alex arrives, Hoody is sitting under the tree. Alex checks his voice mails, which he hasn't done earlier, and now hears Jay's message. I don't think it was intentionally delayed by the TO, but he just doesn't check his message every hour, but every now and then. And since he was waiting for someone who wasn't there, he decided to check if he had any messages.

11:20 - Alex has left the car, leaves his message for Jay and decides to go into the woods to search for Jay. Shortly there after Jay comes running into him and is clearly still in shock and terrified.

10:40 - 11:20 - Jay runs around in the woods, being scared and in shock not really paying attention. (Note, same time as whilst Hoody is on his stroll and Alex arrives).

11:30 - Alex and Jay has made it out of the woods and Alex question Jay about what he's up to. He tries to recall what just happened and tells Alex that TO is "couple of miles" in there, and that he just saw him and ran from him/it. He doesn't number the miles meaning that it's some sort of arbitrary statement to try and make sense of what just happened. And as how I've seen it, he's not running for more than 30 minutes-ish before running into Alex, which can be explained by shock and terror since he's probably making strange turns and just running uncontrollably in the woods.

However, the new information about how TO might possibly be interfering mobile calls / messages does indeed shed a new light on the situation.

[Ascalondion]

So I rewatched ##40-42 and the respective TTAs and I must say: I don't know.

Back then when I watched it the first time, and even now, I find a "non-paranormal" explanation of the calls and voicemails, along the lines of Wondertje, very conclusive.

However, #41 put's some serious doubts about the actual timeline of the events, and how long Jay run through that forest. (Besides, I find #41 resembles "Null" in many ways, the shot at the sun, the filming of water.) And I find that shot from #42, where it is deliberately shown how Alex tries to call Jay (01:53—02:10), gives a broad hint, yet I don't know towards what.

But assume 40#, #42 and #82 are meant to show the same sort of phone weirdness is going on, what would be the purpose of that? Is there some sort of pattern we can get from that, or is it just a general "Yeah, Operator messes with electronics"-kind of thing?
If there is a pattern, I could only suspect that it would be a "Leave me alone!" from TO, because both of Jay's call actually reach Alex, whereas we don't know whether or not Alex's call reaches Jay. So we could assume that TO, upon encountering Jay, "blocked" the phone.

Regarding the rosswood shuffle: I first just wanted to pots a off-topic note how startling I found the static noise in #40, when there is nothing, and yet Hoody #41 get none (or not so much). But then I checked and saw that the static ends with "jump cut" to the area with the strange tree where Jay has his encounter. And jump cut has to be taken quite literally here. When Jay walks on a trail, there first single images of the strange area, then more, then a short sequence from the area, then back to trail as if nothing happened for a second or so, and then Jay just is in that strange area. Is this a live rosswood shuffle caught on tape?

[SilentMedusa]

I don't think there was any "phone weirdness" in #40-42. In #40 Jay calls Alex; Alex doesn't answer his phone. In #42, Alex calls Jay, and soon after encounters Jay running in the opposite direction. Jay didn't answer his phone because he A) was too busy running for his life, or B) didn't even notice it rang. I know if I was running away from the Operator and felt my phone vibrate, I would NOT stop to answer it. Jay probably didn't say anything about it because he figured we would assume one of the two scenarios I just listed. Plus, up until #82 nobody seemed to think anything of it.

[Marble Hornets]

[Wondertje]

[SilentMedusa]

I don't think Tim lied about not getting the call. He has no reason to. Since in #77 he was trying to convince us that Jay was dangerous and unstable, it would've made more sense to include the call. He could've said that just the day before, Jay had called and been apologetic and wanting to reconcile (which is the only reason Tim let him into his house), and then showed up with a knife and zip ties. And we would've said "yeah, Jay's nuts; Tim did the right thing".

Now that I think of it, the fact that he uploaded this at all tells me he's being honest; how easy would it have been to just not tell us about this footage? Or show it, but edit out the phone call?

Also, we just heard from TTA. The guy who calls Tim out as a liar at every opportunity. And he didn't have anything to say about Tim's claim of never getting Jay's call. So he's probably telling the truth.

It's possible that Tim just doesn't remember hearing the message, but it seems pretty obvious that the conclusion we were supposed to draw was that the Operator did something to keep it from going through, so that's what I'm going to go with.

[JAL13]

My questions and answers are very simplistic and you guys typically wash over them, but I do have one question.

If Tim IS lying then why would he be trying to solve what Jay had started and continue to upload videos to Jay YT Channel? He was hiding that one single video, but that was only to protect Jay from doing something rash (possibly going to Rosswood like he did).

I assume that Tim only knew, and hid, about as much as he did on the tape that he hid from Jay thus making us not trust him. If he does know more then I guess he is saving that information to use for later when he needs to as a backup plan just incase he gets in trouble. If Tim didn't want to release anymore information then we wouldn't be getting anymore entries.