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Master of Octopi
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This was pretty tense for me, and it was good to see Jay again. I'm feeling pretty awful for him right now, considering that it wasn't a case of misdirected anger, but redirected frustration by a third party which caused his actions.

Obviously, I'm interested in the alien geography of Rosswood being mentioned. I'm going to have to go back and watch the series again to see if this could explain other weirdness, and, if so, how much weirdness.

What actually gets me the most is the voicemail. The call actually went through and connected, otherwise the voicemail wouldn't pick up. This means that the weirdness didn't happen on Jay's end of things, but on Tim's. In my noggin, this means at least one of the following things must be true:

1. Tim was subjected to weirdness while he was at his house, before Jay showed up with his potato peeler. He got the message, listened to it, deleted it, and then had his memory wiped of the event. The call went straight to voicemail for mundane reasons (his phone was off or he has poor coverage, for example).

2. The call, as mentioned earlier in the thread, hasn't actually happened yet, and Tim will get the voicemail at a later time. This supports the idea of time travel, dilation, or some similar thing happening, which could lend credence to the Hoody being future Jay idea (which I do not believe; just stating an argument).

3. The call was somehow actively intercepted and redirected to another number. This could actually be achieved with surprising ease; set up call forwarding on Tim's phone during one of his many periods of unconsciousness, with the condition being that Jay's number be the one calling. (The voicemail greeting is easily copied and recorded with any decent VOIP service combined with audio recording software). My money would be on Hoody perpetrating this.

4. Tim is lying.

I could be missing things or simply not thinking of something, but to me, one of these must be true. At least, you know, until someone convinces me otherwise.

Anyone find any evidence of Hoody following Jay in the entry? I can't see him anywhere, but I have a gut feeling that he's there.

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CraicIsMighty wrote:
"I never received that voice mail"

Yeah sure you didn't you fucking liar.

"the date on this was the day before Jay attacked me."

ATTACKED you? That's a pretty melodramatic way of saying that he walked into your house. You have no idea what he was planning to do, or if he even had a plan. He never fucking attacked you.

"caused him to go from apologetic to violent."

Walking into someone's house is an act of violence, guys. But stabbing people with a knife while wearing a Halloween mask? Totally normal.

Go fuck yourself, Tim.


Why are you so mad though? Jay was holding a knife when he entered Tim's house and his intentions were obvious.

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gazza wrote:
CraicIsMighty wrote:
"I never received that voice mail"

Yeah sure you didn't you fucking liar.

"the date on this was the day before Jay attacked me."

ATTACKED you? That's a pretty melodramatic way of saying that he walked into your house. You have no idea what he was planning to do, or if he even had a plan. He never fucking attacked you.

"caused him to go from apologetic to violent."

Walking into someone's house is an act of violence, guys. But stabbing people with a knife while wearing a Halloween mask? Totally normal.

Go fuck yourself, Tim.


Why are you so mad though? Jay was holding a knife when he entered Tim's house and his intentions were obvious.


Oh silly me, bringing a knife with you to a person's house who has been known to break into your apartment/hotel room wearing a Halloween mask is such a dumb thing to do. Why would Jay want protection just in case? Pffft.

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Well, Jay did enter the house with knife drawn and restraints in his pocket. That does indicate hostile intent. Also, Tim is not in his right mind when he's Masky. In fact, his higher cognitive functions seem to go offline entirely when he enters his fugue state. Masky seems to run exclusively on the reptile brain, which is why Tim has no memories of his time in the mask.

What we see here is that the Operator wants to drive people apart. He wants his victims to be isolated ("BE ALONE"). Could that point to a possible weakness?

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Am I the only one who notice a subtle difference in the Operator at the end of this entry? I dont see anyone talking about this.

He looked shorter than usual. And his face resembles Alex's.

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Ascalondion wrote:
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However:

Why does Tim's plan to get his medicine back not involve *go to the pharmacy*?

Is Rosswood really shifting or is TO just doing his thing on Jay to confuse him? (I must say I NEVER understood the geography in rosswood. Was always warped to me.)

A while back, someone suggested that Tim hasn't gone back to the doctor/pharmacy for a refill because of how fast he went through and lost pills. It would probably raise suspicion if he goes, "I know I just got my prescription, but can I have more?"

And it seems like Rosswood really is shifting or warping. There's always been strange phenomena when that tunnel is involved, and the Hoody Hut seems to have moved.

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Holy shit, this entry! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Mad

Master of Octopi wrote:
This was pretty tense for me, and it was good to see Jay again. I'm feeling pretty awful for him right now, considering that it wasn't a case of misdirected anger, but redirected frustration by a third party which caused his actions.

Obviously, I'm interested in the alien geography of Rosswood being mentioned. I'm going to have to go back and watch the series again to see if this could explain other weirdness, and, if so, how much weirdness.

What actually gets me the most is the voicemail. The call actually went through and connected, otherwise the voicemail wouldn't pick up. This means that the weirdness didn't happen on Jay's end of things, but on Tim's. In my noggin, this means at least one of the following things must be true:

1. Tim was subjected to weirdness while he was at his house, before Jay showed up with his potato peeler. He got the message, listened to it, deleted it, and then had his memory wiped of the event. The call went straight to voicemail for mundane reasons (his phone was off or he has poor coverage, for example).

2. The call, as mentioned earlier in the thread, hasn't actually happened yet, and Tim will get the voicemail at a later time. This supports the idea of time travel, dilation, or some similar thing happening, which could lend credence to the Hoody being future Jay idea (which I do not believe; just stating an argument).

3. The call was somehow actively intercepted and redirected to another number. This could actually be achieved with surprising ease; set up call forwarding on Tim's phone during one of his many periods of unconsciousness, with the condition being that Jay's number be the one calling. (The voicemail greeting is easily copied and recorded with any decent VOIP service combined with audio recording software). My money would be on Hoody perpetrating this.

4. Tim is lying.

I could be missing things or simply not thinking of something, but to me, one of these must be true. At least, you know, until someone convinces me otherwise.

Anyone find any evidence of Hoody following Jay in the entry? I can't see him anywhere, but I have a gut feeling that he's there.

Sounds plausible (except for the Future Jay = Hoody bullshit).[/b]
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Back to that tunnel again. I'm not complaining, I'm always glad to see it again. I like how Jay mentions that Rosswood is possibly shifting around, and finding out that Jay wasn't in his right mind when confronting Tim was cool as well. Overall a good entry.

Still feels like we're never going to get answers with every new entry that's released, though. I know we will eventually, but goddamn it feels like a bit of a fantasy. Almost like the same feeling Half-Life 3 gives me.

Minato wrote:
EDIT: I don't know why I still question this but... why doesn't anyone mention the Operator? I mean, they rarely mention him.

AmbientGuy wrote:
Great entry, but does it bother anyone else that no one ever references "Oh, and there's the faceless guy in the suit who's after us again"? Tim's comments at the end of the video are almost like he couldn't see Slendy. (Which, I assume, is not the case.) Even if it was to say that he maybe understood a bit more WHY Jay had gotten violent since, hey, there was the faceless guy in the suit, standing over him. Eighty-two entries in, and no one has directly mentioned the thing that's stalking them. Just gets up my nose a little.

I'm almost positive it has to do with OOG reasons. If they outright made the characters say, "Yeah, that guy in the suit is so strange, what's he up to?" or "The Operator is still after us, man I hate that guy!", it would take away the creepy and mysterious feeling the Operator is supposed to have.

Having the characters rarely reference it, and saying "that thing" when they do, makes the Operator seem like something no one wants to talk about because of how horrifying it is.

Edit: That distorted footage that plays at 9:03 - 9:07 is so weird. Is that Jay running away after the Operator screwed with him? Shit like that is always so spooky to me.

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Well that was awesome.

Poor Jay, he just got Masky'd (I have no other term for it.) I loved the subtle appearance by TO as well. He's just standing there, watching, waiting for Jay to go crazy...what a bastard.

I'm guessing since Rosswood is mainly normal it is somehow connected to TO's home dimension (or whatever) and that's why he can shift it around.

(Also, I think Jay didn't mention TO in the phone call because he genuinely thought he was hallucinating.)

Well done, Trosephim.

Next, we see Tim go Masky, and then all four of them are crazy together. (Imagine four Maskies on he edge of a cliff... Razz)

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Ithilwen22 wrote:
(Imagine four Maskies on he edge of a cliff... Razz)

Whenever a person enters Rosswood tunnel, Rosswood starts to correct itself.

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Gold Knight wrote:
Ithilwen22 wrote:
(Imagine four Maskies on he edge of a cliff... Razz)

When a person enters Rosswood tunnel, Rosswood begins to shapeshift itself.


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Marble Hornets wrote:
good entry


Now this, I love to see! Its official, we might all unanimously like this Entry.

Ok, a few thoughts/ideas/things I'd like to point out.

-First, they have mentioned TO specifically before. At this point they'd probably prefer to not bring it up as discussing it may attract it's attention, there's clearly little to nothing to be done about it, and its a horrible and horrifying thing that probably usually prevents them from getting any sleep most nights. I'm sure they think about it so much that there's no point in bringing it up if they haven't got some bright idea to discuss in it's regard.

-Second, I believe the hole in the ground might have actually been an access point to some underground maintenance tunnels. Whether they connect to the college from Rosswood or not, tunnels under Rosswood would go a long way to explaining how Hoody is so goddamn sneaky. Also the hole was on the far side of the tunnel... Where Hoody came from when he "saved" Jessica from Alex in 76. Also I feel I can see a ladder leading down into the hole. Can someone get some screen shots of that hole up for us please? Oh and I think Jay ran past it again in the uber-distorted clip of him running at the very end.

-Third, they finally addressed the whole "what's on the other side of that tunnel" thing. The question remains though, for me at least, is that an alternate reality on the other side of he tunnel? A parallel dimension? Or a different time? I have a feeling, as was mentioned by someone before me, that Jay's message might get to Tim's phone in the future. As in its possible that when he went through the tunnel, he was in the future, called Tim and left a message, then went back to regular time. A stretch, but a definite possibility. This leads directly to my...

-Fourth point. I've always had a trouble grasping Rosswood's geography and it seems we might finally know why... And also why sometimes you get lost there for ages and ages, and other times Tim can beat Jay to their cars ala 64/65. Also why they couldn't find the shack when they looked for it. Warped or shifting geography; either that or teleportation, but I'm guessing the former, for two reasons. When Tim and Jay go to find the shack they had woken up in previously, Tim is very agitated it isn't right where he is sure it had been before. Also, when they woke up and left the shack, they didn't travel through the tunnel to escape or they would have mentioned it or at least not had to come back and search it in 64/65 and now also 82.

-Fifth, the way Jay seized up at the end of his coughing fit very much reminded me of the seizures Tim has before becoming Masky. That and Jay's behavior from 77-80 lead me to believe we finally have confirmation that Jay has a Masky state (Filmy?). Also, his violent behavior makes me think that Alex too is experiencing a violent Masky state when he becomes murderous as well (Gunny?). I really like the parallel someone drew between Tim's mask and Jay's camera... When Jay goes berserk screaming at Tim to return his camera in 77, it is actually very similar to how (even more) berserk Tim goes as Masky when someone tries to remove his mask. I can't shake the feeling that this hints toward Jay being TTA... But that bit is just pure speculation at this point I guess.

-Sixth. As far as the phone call, there are a few possibilities. A) Tim is lying. EXTREMELY unlikely, because of his dialogue toward Jay in 77 once he has him ziptied. There's no way he would've not mentioned it. B) Timey wimey BS where Jay was actually in the future calling Tim, and his message will not be received until later. Very cool, very possible, no proof and I'm not sure this is the case. C) The Operator prevented the call from going through or the message being left. This makes sense, but there's a problem: we hear it ring and we heard Tim's voicemail pick up. Tim said he not only didn't get the message but also didn't remember getting any calls that day... I'm pretty sure he'd remember if Jay had called, especially considering the events of the next few days.

Finally, one last thought in relation to my 6th point... There is another instance of a very strange phone related anomaly occurring in Rosswood, and it also happened when someone tried to go through the tunnel. Remember in 64/65 when Alex called Jay and said "Leave. Now." That was SUPER fucking random and weird and never really explained. Was that TO using a clip of Alex's voice to try and communicate with the intruders? Or was Alex temporarily in a timey wimey situation himself, calling a Jay whom he still thought was his ally? What if the Alex that calls Jay in 64 was in fact past Alex from the missing seven months in S2 when he and Jay were still allies? Just some food for thought, obviously speculation but that was never explained.

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Outstanding entry. Possible that TO did what he did to Jay here to Alex in 2006, which is what caused Alex's aggressive behaviour. Also possible he did it to Hoody to some extent, as Hoody is pretty ruthless and violent too. Very upsetting to see Jay so torn up about what happened to Jessica and that he wanted to work with Tim. The Operator seemed to stop Tim from receiving the call. Also we know where the hoody hut went, nice to know.
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The above post brings up a good post-If Tim receives that voicemail later down the road the "time shifting" could be the possibilty. However, I believe it more that the Operator controls Rosswood Park and can control it's layout and geography.

Looking at it simply this story is playing out more and more that the Operator doesn't have an overall goal or plan.
A: Alex films in Rosswood park, catches TO on camera and angers TO by confronting him.
B: Alex then becomes haunted by TO, stops the movie and takes off. During that time before we see #26 (or Season 1 ending) we have to assume since he left he had not encountered the operator since. Only until his GF turns a camera back on he reappears-as if that re-triggers it.
C: During Season 1 the operator becomes aware of Jay, and subsequently attempts to rid Jay by using Tim. It fails.
D: The operator becomes more annoyed in Jay's persistent investigations and turns Alex into his servant-hence why alex keeps saying "I didn't want to do this, its your fault". It is Jay's fault in the sense he's poking around in this.

So now as Jay is missing (presumably either taken or killed by TO) with the help of Alex the last wrap up piece is Tim and possibly Hoody if indeed he's another person and not "Future Jay".

I also noticed nobody has said they have seen the operator off camera.

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Predicting this now. Tim got that call....he just doesn't remember.
Subtle hint in the dialog......"I didn't get any calls that day as far as I remember". TO doesn't need another power at this point not when a memory wipe can explain it.

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