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[OOG] Is Marble Hornets scary anymore?
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Wondertje
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Thing is though, that Troseph couldn't have kept the mystery and the "he's not there, but wait something feels wrong, oh he his" going on forever because that would've given them no chance to end the series or provide us with answers in any reasonable way. I feel that it makes perfect sense that TO is showing up closer and more aggressively in your face as you're chasing after him trying to unravel his secrets and personally it doesn't make it/TO any less scary to me - if anything it's scarier because now the crazy entity is closer and more harmful.

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The Condor
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I think for newcomers who are unfamiliar with MH find the Entries scary but as they go deeper in and become inevitably desensitized to the creepiness, they rely more on the mysterious atmosphere rather than the scary atmosphere.
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Jordan
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For me, personally, while I found season one to be wonderfully creepy, I never found it outright scary. That's not to say I don't enjoy the series (look at my post count! I'm one of you!), but aside from entry #57 (with Alex's pursuit of Tim and The Operator's sudden apperance) and entry #55 (with The Operator slowing creeping with the cast of Marble Hornets oblivious to his presence), I've never felt scared or terrified whilist watching an entry.

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The7kproductions
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I don't think it was ever "scary" I never screamed, I never got nightmares, and most importantly I never defecated my pants.Mainly because I never found the slenderman (or the Operator in this case) particularly scary I, just thought of him as some entry level creepy pasta character. The only reason that I checked out MH in the first place was because I showed my cousin the Penpal audio book series on MCP's channel and he asked me if I knew of any other series that were good and I was like ... yeah I heard of this thing called Marble Hornets and I heard it was pretty scary.

Marble Hornets isn't scary it's just intense.

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CraicIsMighty
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It's not really scary anymore at all because they just keep rehashing the same stuff over and over again. The Operator still doesn't really do anything. He just stands there completely still hardly moving at all except on very rare occasions. When I look at The Operator nowadays I don't see a creepy monster I just see an inanimate object. It's more comical than creepy lately honestly.

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Lithp
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Firstly, I've never considered Marble Hornets to be very scary at all. It has its moments, but always came across to me as more of a mystery/character study.

It has become even less scary over time.

Yes, this is because The Operator isn't dangerous.

I do not think that it's because I'm "desensitized." I do not think that it would make it better if The Operator were confined to the background again. I think it is because they have actually taken damn near every opportunity to remove anything that could incite fear of this thing.

Veritaseum explained that "creepiness" is found in ambiguity. The Operator was initially creepy because he was strange & ambiguous. His behavior was threatening, but also detached. Was he following Alex because he was just curious, or did he actually intend to harm him?

But, as time goes on, we may not have very many answers about The Operator, but some patterns have started to emerge:

*It's really not hard at all to get away from him.

*He generally will now follow you.

*He does not present a physical danger.

*He rarely even moves or comes out of nowhere, so he's not even that startling anymore.

*Even his psychological danger seems cheap to me. If you're going to rely on mental illness for the scares, then you need to really SHOW how debilitating it is. Occasional amnesia & paranoia just comes across as moderately inconvenient.

Then we move on to Hoody, who is also not dangerous, & Alex, who is rarely around. Even if we got more danger from Alex, it is still deeply depressing that The Operator is now so tame.

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Just to drop my 2 cent here (or should I say, my 20 dollar?)

I think it isn't that scary anymore because we are used to it. Nothing bad with the show, I guess it's the longest running "horror" show that didn't changed his formula to stay interessting.

A lot of people said the error was that it's becoming stale because it's always the same. That, in my opinion, is one of the best things about Marble Hornets.

They do not jump the shark. They do not add tentacles and whatnot, no backwards time travel, no gore, no mumbo-jumbo to keep the audience excited. They're just doing their stuff, and they do it good. Keeping the audience excited it particulary tricky, and it will always scream for more, no matter how much more you give them. (At one point, it will scream "more of the old stuff!")

The reason I follow MH and not the other Slender-things is that they stay true to the formula of MH and do not try to jump the shark.

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Wondertje
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Lithp wrote:
*It's really not hard at all to get away from him.

*He generally will now follow you.

*He does not present a physical danger.


That's just because he's toying with his victims and he doesn't waste energy on chasing them all the time. He knows that his victims will start snooping around and coming to him and once they do, he can teleport the shizzles out of them and take them to some horrific place where they most likely die or get horribly tormented forever. Not to mention he appears to be able to take control over people and have them kill other people around them.

I'd say that warrants some credit, and maybe even a little bit of fear? Or maybe that's just me who finds that quite scary Razz

I do believe that for the people who don't find TO scary it's more a case of desensitised rather than TO not being scary. If you rationalise it, there's no reason not to be scared of the horrific entity that could bring you pain and torment forever - and that at occasions have been shown to do so.

Of course, I think it's also a bit depending on how much you immerse yourself in the series. Knowing that MH isn't real also adds some kind of block when it comes to fear.

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Wondertje wrote:
That's just because he's toying with his victims and he doesn't waste energy on chasing them all the time. He knows that his victims will start snooping around and coming to him and once they do, he can teleport the shizzles out of them and take them to some horrific place where they most likely die or get horribly tormented forever. Not to mention he appears to be able to take control over people and have them kill other people around them.


That's not really that scary or relatable though. Few people would go charging through these obviously risky places, often alone, like the characters of this series have. Let's recap how various characters have triggered The Operator's appearance just by being reckless:

Entry #40 - Jay went into giant creepy woods he had never been to by himself instead of just waiting for Alex. Repercussion: absolutely nothing. The Operator appeared and Jay easily got away.

Entry #43 - Alex went into giant creepy woods he knew TO would appear in by himself. Repercussion, TO reappears and presumably "reinfects" him. Although in this case, I think Alex probably wanted TO to appear.

Entry #64 - Jay and Tim went to Rosswood park, which they knew was extremely dangerous. Still, like Tim said, they had no other leads. They then start going through the tunnel, which is also extremely dangerous. Still, what else are they to do? Then Jay gets a phone call from Alex telling him to leave. Obviously nothing good will come from this. But Jay stubbornly tells Tim that they need to keep going. Naturally, TO appears. Not because he's a horrific entity that won't leave these poor people alone. No, it was because Jay was a fucking idiot.

Entry #67 - TO shows up to stop Hoody from shooting Alex, even though Hoody already saw TO protecting Alex in #45. Hoody and Tim both appear to get away from TO with absolutely no repercussions.

Entry #72 - Jay and Tim go to Alex's old house, the single location TO has been seen around the most. Jay starts seeing things. They do not leave. The sun starts setting inexplicably early. They do not leave. TO starts messing them up, only to disappear because Tim stood in front of him for a while. Still, Jay was clearly messed up from the experience, so we ought to see the effects of that, that should be worth something... Tim proceeds to tell us via Twitter and a recap in #74 what kinds of things Jay went through as a result of the attack. The repercussions of the TO encounter were off-screen, even though this was the first time Jay seriously suffered from one of these attacks.

Entry #80 - Jay charges into an abandoned building alone, without Tim. Although his sanity may have deteriorated from #72... but we can't say for sure since that was glanced over. Although his sanity was further deteriorated in #82... which we don't see until later. And also...

Entry #82 - This may be the stupidest thing Jay has ever done. He retraced the steps he saw a victim of TO take. TO appearing wasn't the least bit shocking. Granted, Jay wasn't in the best state of mind after seeing #76, so it's more understandable in this case but it still would have been more effective if we had seen more of his sanity deteriorating after #72.

So yeah, I don't really see how he's toying with his victims. He only really seemed to toy with Alex, who isn't even the one we follow for the most of the story. Everyone else is a victim not of TO but of their stupidity. I don't think it's got anything to do with being desensitised because this kind of thing simply isn't scary. TO encounters are rarely caused by anything other than idiocy of the protagonists and rarely have any lasting effect. Character gets jumpscared by unmoving TO because they went to an obviously dangerous place, character runs away easily and is completely fine afterwards.

I can still appreciate something truly scary with The Operator. First time watching the aforementioned genuinely scary entries, I was scared. Also in Slender: The Arrival, there are actually a couple of low-key paranoia-inducing Slenderman moments, which scared me first time. That's the kind of thing I really wish there was more of. Needless to say, when it progressed to Slenderman just suddenly appearing with a jumpscare sound over and over and the character had to run away and then be fine afterwards, like with similar moments in MH, it wasn't truly scary.

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TheOperator wrote:
Everyone else is a victim not of TO but of their stupidity.


Touché, for some (maybe most) of the entires I'd agree with you. I still believe TO has a choice of whether to attack or not though. So, although they set themselves up for it, TO clearly wants to scare/hurt them.

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The show is more mystery than horror now but to be honest I like it better now mainly because its been like 5 years, and lets be honest, we've barely made a dent on giving light as to wtf is going on with TO

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I'd say it is not scary anymore, but not in a bad sense. Whenever they come up with a new Entry I am all the time in tension while watching it, willingly to know what is going to happen. I think they play with the mystery very well and they now how to keep you interested in the characters, not the scary jumpy thing.


And well, TO may not represent a physical danger, but what I found creepy, eerie and sometimes scary about him is the fact that it changes YOUR life: it changes your motivations, your memories, your emotions (or your state of mind, as seen in the last Entry). It makes you feel sick, obsesive and have problems with your sleep, going insane... It can even make you attack/kill people. Dying is not, of course, what any of the characters want, but they loose their way in their lifes. Even if they weren't in real danger (because, yes, a lot of times they have caused the danger to demselves), they would have a really shitty and hard time. Only having insomnia makes you go through the days tired and without energy. Imagine if you have to cope with memory loss, coughting fits, seizures...

So I think TO can be "scary" in the sense a sickness can be.
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In a word: no.

I remember when I first watched it, had the house to myself for two weeks and watched the first two seasons pretty much in a night, and spent the next two nights freaking out at the slightest sound. I don't get the creeps from it anymore, but I definitely used to. Using the same techniques/bad guy for a long time was always going to go that way though.
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I am a coward. I don't really watch anything that could be classed as "horror" besides MH. That would seem to suggest I'm here for the story development, but it turns out I like the scary bits after all.

A lot of people are saying they got desensitised, but I reckon it's not the case for me. The scariest parts are still frightening, even though I no longer have the real-world paranoia that followed my original archive binge.
The new entries aren't (on the whole, there are exceptions) because they aren't trying as hard to be. But I reckon this is intentional, as story takes precedent.

My reference for lack of desensitisation is recently re-watching a whole load, and yeah, the worst ones still make me jump. First Masky encounter, TO in the maintenance tunnel, etc.

The early entries rely on jump scares all too much, and the atmosphere is good but I kind of feel cheated after one too many. Though this tended to be the main technique forever, series 2 and early s3 entries were generally more truly surprising to me, like the final act of the hotel saga.

In the latest entry I jumped simply because it'd been so long since I played "Where's Oppy?"

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Kraehtot wrote:
And well, TO may not represent a physical danger, but what I found creepy, eerie and sometimes scary about him is the fact that it changes YOUR life: it changes your motivations, your memories, your emotions (or your state of mind, as seen in the last Entry). It makes you feel sick, obsesive and have problems with your sleep, going insane... It can even make you attack/kill people. Dying is not, of course, what any of the characters want, but they loose their way in their lifes. Even if they weren't in real danger (because, yes, a lot of times they have caused the danger to demselves), they would have a really shitty and hard time. Only having insomnia makes you go through the days tired and without energy. Imagine if you have to cope with memory loss, coughting fits, seizures...

So I think TO can be "scary" in the sense a sickness can be.


This, particularly as it applies to the dissolution of a group of friends/acquaintances (in this case Tim, Alex, Jay, etc...) I found the later conflicts between Tim and Jay (before and after their period of working together) quite unsettling, particularly the fight that led to Jay's hog-tying.

But for the most part, I think latter MH has developed into a sort of "slow-burn" horror, the kind that seems only slightly creepy at first but becomes increasingly so the more you focus on the setting and circumstances. You get the feeling that Jay and Tim are living in their own isolated world that's running tangential to "normal life" - they hardly interact with anyone outside their story, and their entire existence now seems to be taken up with the repercussions of encounters with the Operator. They're no longer people with their own lives, hopes and dreams but automatons moving at the behest of forces well outside their control (the series definitely shows its Lovecraftian inspiration here.) It's a very bleak, claustrophobic setting that may not jump out and scare, but it would be absolutely horrifying to imagine myself in that situation. Reminds me very strongly of Kubrick's adaptation of The Shining.

That said, I thought Entry 72 was a great example of another kind of horror - derived from the physical setting itself. Did anyone else find the largely empty house combined with sunless, grey-blue horizon of the near-twilight hours to be quite unsettling? (EMH has played with this setting as well.) I know they filmed the first part of the entry while it was light out to setup the Operator's time-distortion at the end, but I'd have to imagine they made a conscious decision to do so at twilight rather than a sunny afternoon, as it set up a creepy atmosphere well before everything went to hell at the end.

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