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TheJoker
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 		That is horrible. I so want that to be the case now.

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Gante wrote:
This is a possibility almost to horrible for me to contemplate, but...What if the Operator made Jay's and Tim's parents forget them? What if somewhere out there is a Janet Wright, sadly finding photographs of a little boy she no longer remembers, and wondering what caused the huge gap in her life? What if Jay's mom and dad wake up in the small hours of the night, with a haunting feeling that something huge is missing from their world? This would be by far the most heinous and tragic thing the Operator ever did.


Meh in my mind Tim's mom is an abusive drunk who didn't need TO to forget her son.

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 		I know! The dramatic possibilities in Marble Hornets are endless! But they're rarely used. Marble Hornets is a VERY plot-driven webseries, and they sometimes forget that the people in this are supposed to be real people. I'd like to see more Entry #59ish drama. Not that I want it to become a soap opera or something (Soap Hornets, heh), but it would be more realistic, scary, and overall a more powerful story if it did. Think "Chronicle". If Chronicle (OK, I know this is a bad example because some people DESPISE this movie) had no character development, it would be a horrorstory.

So, I think the creators valued character development over atmosphere. Personally, I'd think it be more impressive if they could balance both.

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Wondertje wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
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It's a huge amount of memories to erase, if TO needs to erase the memory of a person ever existing. I mean, he'd have to go back almost to accquaintances of acquaintances to make sure he gets everyone. I know people, that knows other people - who I happen to know have children. If all of those people would start acting/behaving as if the child/person doesn't exist, I'd probably notice even though I never once met this child or her parents directly.

Basically, anyone who ever came in contact with said person that TO wants, would need to have their memory tampered with.

Do you think TO has some kind of universal power to just take a person and send out a signal to the universe that removes any memory that matches the person, regardless of who is carrying it? Or do you think TO needs to visit these people one by one to fix it? Surprised


To to get all sciencey, but memories aren't a physical thing in the brian which is something we should keep reminding ourselves. It involves encoding, storage, and retrieving. We already know that Jay lost his memory entirely because even after he had seen something that previously happened he couldn't retrieve that memory from his mind.

TO seems to have the ability to induce Retrograde amnesia to people so they don't remember the encounter with him as if it was an accident. However, Jay probably still had many memories still stored in his mind that he could not retrieve. Tim definitely is the same way.


Yes? I don't see how this changes anything I said nor answers the question. If you consider memories to be data instead, as stored on a hard drive (the brain) - question still remains: how does TO make every single data related to the person he wants disappear from every single hard drive that ever stored the data of the person?


I guess I should be more clear and precise on here incase I get attacked again…. Or talk like I'm in a logic class like most do. Basically, the Joker had already said what I wanted to do. TO is a supernatural entity so he can just DO things without having them explained or give reasons to how they work. You were treating TO like he had errands to run and had a set schedule on when to do things.

Its something supernatural. Accept it. Move on.

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 		This topic was however about what if MH was real, and I interpreted that as in "what if TO existed in our world" and not "what if we lived in a crazy world where science and laws of physics no longer applied" - which is why I went out to look for some sort of reasonable logic.

I'm sorry if you feel attacked, wasn't the intention, and I apologise for the misunderstanding.

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JAL13
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Wondertje wrote:
This topic was however about what if MH was real, and I interpreted that as in "what if TO existed in our world" and not "what if we lived in a crazy world where science and laws of physics no longer applied" - which is why I went out to look for some sort of reasonable logic.

I'm sorry if you feel attacked, wasn't the intention, and I apologise for the misunderstanding.


No it's fine. I just have to make sure too thoroughly check the thread first before posting something. Just incase you're active Wink .

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JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
It's a huge amount of memories to erase, if TO needs to erase the memory of a person ever existing. I mean, he'd have to go back almost to accquaintances of acquaintances to make sure he gets everyone. I know people, that knows other people - who I happen to know have children. If all of those people would start acting/behaving as if the child/person doesn't exist, I'd probably notice even though I never once met this child or her parents directly.

Basically, anyone who ever came in contact with said person that TO wants, would need to have their memory tampered with.

Do you think TO has some kind of universal power to just take a person and send out a signal to the universe that removes any memory that matches the person, regardless of who is carrying it? Or do you think TO needs to visit these people one by one to fix it? Surprised


To to get all sciencey, but memories aren't a physical thing in the brian which is something we should keep reminding ourselves. It involves encoding, storage, and retrieving. We already know that Jay lost his memory entirely because even after he had seen something that previously happened he couldn't retrieve that memory from his mind.

TO seems to have the ability to induce Retrograde amnesia to people so they don't remember the encounter with him as if it was an accident. However, Jay probably still had many memories still stored in his mind that he could not retrieve. Tim definitely is the same way.


Yes? I don't see how this changes anything I said nor answers the question. If you consider memories to be data instead, as stored on a hard drive (the brain) - question still remains: how does TO make every single data related to the person he wants disappear from every single hard drive that ever stored the data of the person?


I guess I should be more clear and precise on here incase I get attacked again…. Or talk like I'm in a logic class like most do. Basically, the Joker had already said what I wanted to do. TO is a supernatural entity so he can just DO things without having them explained or give reasons to how they work. You were treating TO like he had errands to run and had a set schedule on when to do things.

Its something supernatural. Accept it. Move on.


Except TO isn't supernatural he's paranormal. Supernatural powers aren't stopped by anti-seizure medication. That being said there's easier ways to explain the memory loss. I'm going with extreme emotional trauma.

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JAL13
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gennerx wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
It's a huge amount of memories to erase, if TO needs to erase the memory of a person ever existing. I mean, he'd have to go back almost to accquaintances of acquaintances to make sure he gets everyone. I know people, that knows other people - who I happen to know have children. If all of those people would start acting/behaving as if the child/person doesn't exist, I'd probably notice even though I never once met this child or her parents directly.

Basically, anyone who ever came in contact with said person that TO wants, would need to have their memory tampered with.

Do you think TO has some kind of universal power to just take a person and send out a signal to the universe that removes any memory that matches the person, regardless of who is carrying it? Or do you think TO needs to visit these people one by one to fix it? Surprised


To to get all sciencey, but memories aren't a physical thing in the brian which is something we should keep reminding ourselves. It involves encoding, storage, and retrieving. We already know that Jay lost his memory entirely because even after he had seen something that previously happened he couldn't retrieve that memory from his mind.

TO seems to have the ability to induce Retrograde amnesia to people so they don't remember the encounter with him as if it was an accident. However, Jay probably still had many memories still stored in his mind that he could not retrieve. Tim definitely is the same way.


Yes? I don't see how this changes anything I said nor answers the question. If you consider memories to be data instead, as stored on a hard drive (the brain) - question still remains: how does TO make every single data related to the person he wants disappear from every single hard drive that ever stored the data of the person?


I guess I should be more clear and precise on here incase I get attacked again…. Or talk like I'm in a logic class like most do. Basically, the Joker had already said what I wanted to do. TO is a supernatural entity so he can just DO things without having them explained or give reasons to how they work. You were treating TO like he had errands to run and had a set schedule on when to do things.

Its something supernatural. Accept it. Move on.


Except TO isn't supernatural he's paranormal. Supernatural powers aren't stopped by anti-seizure medication. That being said there's easier ways to explain the memory loss. I'm going with extreme emotional trauma.


And something paranormal is stopped by medication? You're making the, "Operator was a scientist," theory sound a lot better.

Why wouldn't something supernatural be effected by medication if something paranormal is? Both cannot be explained by the laws of nature so i'm not sure what you are getting at.

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JAL13 wrote:
gennerx wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
It's a huge amount of memories to erase, if TO needs to erase the memory of a person ever existing. I mean, he'd have to go back almost to accquaintances of acquaintances to make sure he gets everyone. I know people, that knows other people - who I happen to know have children. If all of those people would start acting/behaving as if the child/person doesn't exist, I'd probably notice even though I never once met this child or her parents directly.

Basically, anyone who ever came in contact with said person that TO wants, would need to have their memory tampered with.

Do you think TO has some kind of universal power to just take a person and send out a signal to the universe that removes any memory that matches the person, regardless of who is carrying it? Or do you think TO needs to visit these people one by one to fix it? Surprised


To to get all sciencey, but memories aren't a physical thing in the brian which is something we should keep reminding ourselves. It involves encoding, storage, and retrieving. We already know that Jay lost his memory entirely because even after he had seen something that previously happened he couldn't retrieve that memory from his mind.

TO seems to have the ability to induce Retrograde amnesia to people so they don't remember the encounter with him as if it was an accident. However, Jay probably still had many memories still stored in his mind that he could not retrieve. Tim definitely is the same way.


Yes? I don't see how this changes anything I said nor answers the question. If you consider memories to be data instead, as stored on a hard drive (the brain) - question still remains: how does TO make every single data related to the person he wants disappear from every single hard drive that ever stored the data of the person?


I guess I should be more clear and precise on here incase I get attacked again…. Or talk like I'm in a logic class like most do. Basically, the Joker had already said what I wanted to do. TO is a supernatural entity so he can just DO things without having them explained or give reasons to how they work. You were treating TO like he had errands to run and had a set schedule on when to do things.

Its something supernatural. Accept it. Move on.


Except TO isn't supernatural he's paranormal. Supernatural powers aren't stopped by anti-seizure medication. That being said there's easier ways to explain the memory loss. I'm going with extreme emotional trauma.


And something paranormal is stopped by medication? You're making the, "Operator was a scientist," theory sound a lot better.


Yes it is. Because paranormal means that even though we don't understand what TO is he still has limits and those limits are natural not magical. He's arguably more alien than ghost.

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gennerx wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
gennerx wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
It's a huge amount of memories to erase, if TO needs to erase the memory of a person ever existing. I mean, he'd have to go back almost to accquaintances of acquaintances to make sure he gets everyone. I know people, that knows other people - who I happen to know have children. If all of those people would start acting/behaving as if the child/person doesn't exist, I'd probably notice even though I never once met this child or her parents directly.

Basically, anyone who ever came in contact with said person that TO wants, would need to have their memory tampered with.

Do you think TO has some kind of universal power to just take a person and send out a signal to the universe that removes any memory that matches the person, regardless of who is carrying it? Or do you think TO needs to visit these people one by one to fix it? Surprised


To to get all sciencey, but memories aren't a physical thing in the brian which is something we should keep reminding ourselves. It involves encoding, storage, and retrieving. We already know that Jay lost his memory entirely because even after he had seen something that previously happened he couldn't retrieve that memory from his mind.

TO seems to have the ability to induce Retrograde amnesia to people so they don't remember the encounter with him as if it was an accident. However, Jay probably still had many memories still stored in his mind that he could not retrieve. Tim definitely is the same way.


Yes? I don't see how this changes anything I said nor answers the question. If you consider memories to be data instead, as stored on a hard drive (the brain) - question still remains: how does TO make every single data related to the person he wants disappear from every single hard drive that ever stored the data of the person?


I guess I should be more clear and precise on here incase I get attacked again…. Or talk like I'm in a logic class like most do. Basically, the Joker had already said what I wanted to do. TO is a supernatural entity so he can just DO things without having them explained or give reasons to how they work. You were treating TO like he had errands to run and had a set schedule on when to do things.

Its something supernatural. Accept it. Move on.


Except TO isn't supernatural he's paranormal. Supernatural powers aren't stopped by anti-seizure medication. That being said there's easier ways to explain the memory loss. I'm going with extreme emotional trauma.


And something paranormal is stopped by medication? You're making the, "Operator was a scientist," theory sound a lot better.


Yes it is. Because paranormal means that even though we don't understand what TO is he still has limits and those limits are natural not magical. He's arguably more alien than ghost.


Okay so what your saying is that there are medications to stop something paranormal and there are no medications to stop something supernatural. Well if that's the logic that follows the series then I guess I can't argue about it. Although, can't you use both terms interchangeably?

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JAL13 wrote:
gennerx wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
gennerx wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
JAL13 wrote:
Wondertje wrote:
It's a huge amount of memories to erase, if TO needs to erase the memory of a person ever existing. I mean, he'd have to go back almost to accquaintances of acquaintances to make sure he gets everyone. I know people, that knows other people - who I happen to know have children. If all of those people would start acting/behaving as if the child/person doesn't exist, I'd probably notice even though I never once met this child or her parents directly.

Basically, anyone who ever came in contact with said person that TO wants, would need to have their memory tampered with.

Do you think TO has some kind of universal power to just take a person and send out a signal to the universe that removes any memory that matches the person, regardless of who is carrying it? Or do you think TO needs to visit these people one by one to fix it? Surprised


To to get all sciencey, but memories aren't a physical thing in the brian which is something we should keep reminding ourselves. It involves encoding, storage, and retrieving. We already know that Jay lost his memory entirely because even after he had seen something that previously happened he couldn't retrieve that memory from his mind.

TO seems to have the ability to induce Retrograde amnesia to people so they don't remember the encounter with him as if it was an accident. However, Jay probably still had many memories still stored in his mind that he could not retrieve. Tim definitely is the same way.


Yes? I don't see how this changes anything I said nor answers the question. If you consider memories to be data instead, as stored on a hard drive (the brain) - question still remains: how does TO make every single data related to the person he wants disappear from every single hard drive that ever stored the data of the person?


I guess I should be more clear and precise on here incase I get attacked again…. Or talk like I'm in a logic class like most do. Basically, the Joker had already said what I wanted to do. TO is a supernatural entity so he can just DO things without having them explained or give reasons to how they work. You were treating TO like he had errands to run and had a set schedule on when to do things.

Its something supernatural. Accept it. Move on.


Except TO isn't supernatural he's paranormal. Supernatural powers aren't stopped by anti-seizure medication. That being said there's easier ways to explain the memory loss. I'm going with extreme emotional trauma.


And something paranormal is stopped by medication? You're making the, "Operator was a scientist," theory sound a lot better.


Yes it is. Because paranormal means that even though we don't understand what TO is he still has limits and those limits are natural not magical. He's arguably more alien than ghost.


Okay so what your saying is that there are medications to stop something paranormal and there are no medications to stop something supernatural. Well if that's the logic that follows the series then I guess I can't argue about it. Although, can't you use both terms interchangeably?


super natural
Web definitions

The supernatural is that which is not subject to the laws of physics, or more figuratively, that which is said to exist above and beyond nature. In philosophy, popular culture and fiction, the supernatural is associated with the paranormal, religions and occultism. ...

par·a·nor·mal
ˌparəˈnôrməl/
adjective
adjective: paranormal

1.
denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding.
"a mystic who can prove he has paranormal powers"


Basically the supernatural isn't subject to the limits of the physical world at all while the paranormal is simply something that isn't understood.

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Pretty sure at some point Jay mentions going to the police and them not wanting to help due to not believing it's real

I believe he mentions in either one of the text narratives or a Twitter post that he "can't go to the police" because he doesn't think they would believe him.

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 		All the quote boxes are beginning to form an optical illusion o_O

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knifebladepresents wrote:
All the quote boxes are beginning to form an optical illusion o_O


Welcome to the Marble Hornets subforum Wink.

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 		Exactly like it is.

To elaborate, I think that all of the Slender series try to be "realistic," but everyone has different ideas of what reactions are realistic. Most are screwy in some way or another. Things I always felt were strange about Marble Hornets, some of which have already been said:

*No swearing. It's not that I think that everyone has to swear, but the dialogue does not always convince me that these people aren't specifically avoiding swear words.

*No cop involvement. Even if Jay doesn't even want to try them, which I think is pretty derpy on his part, it doesn't make sense that no one watching this massively popular "documentary" would say something. This is what I like about EMH. It references the fact that there is a larger world beyond the protagonists. The cops have been called a couple of times, but concluded that the whole thing was a hoax due to paranormal tampering with evidence, which leads to the characters being reluctant to try again because they don't want to be prosecuted. I don't know, maybe this is what the Marble Hornets movie is going to be about.

*Come to think of it, the lack of involvement from the world at large. Every series occasionally suffers from conspicuously empty locations, & obviously they're not going to stop to chat up every jerk they meet, but there could be...more. Even mentions on Twitter about how people are starting to ask questions about why he takes a camera everywhere would suffice.

*The lack of allusions to personal life. Where does Jay get his money? Where are his parents in all of this? And so on.

*Jay's camera somehow still works.

*The Operator doesn't stalk anymore.

*Hoody never seems to slip up.

That's all I can think of right now.

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