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Edogawa4869
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Re: The Code and Theories
Possible Code Solution for Null and some theories about Entry 83

ziggazern wrote:

I like this!
The most "stretch" is the number 6 being considered as 'null' and changing the W into an O.
But in general, I like the theory!


From what I read, the W didn't change into an O; it was considered "null" and thrown out. The O came from the Operator Symbol. I will agree, though, that it's still kind of a stretch that 6 is "null."

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The7kproductions
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Do realize that this is the closest thing we have to it being a decoded message ... so yeah I'm going with the 1 M(X)re theory until some comes up with something better. Also the fact that it is a stretch isn't a big deal because this is the last puzzle and other ARG's had assumed people to do far more outlandish things with far less information ... I heard about one where they just gave people a shit ton of number pairs expecting people these must be map location and time and the map locations must correspond to pay phines that will ring at a given time. So yeah ... unless if you want to go with that theory I came up with we are stuck with this one Razz

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3tp
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"i have for years" obviously hoody's been here for 4 years

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PurpleLynx
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I've got some ideas that are probably far-fetched but I'll post them to feed the pool (I hope it isn't too late to post here):

The code in the video is:

IA⊗NR RPYRA SIMHT 75EBX 84129 MRWIT

The operator symbol in the video is not rendered the same as in previous totheark entries, and this one is titled "null", which, for me, references this symbol: Ø which represents the null set in mathmatics and is also used as a representation for the null character sometimes (the entries have made more than a few references to "operators" as in mathematical operators, such as "+"/"addition", "⊗" which is the tensor product operator (scroll down), "=" etc.

In fact, the previous entry we see a video type rendering of the operator symbol it was a clearer "O" with an "X" who's edges where extending beyond the circle, much like it is used in the scribble drawings/notes. I think this previous instance was in "Quadrant" but I could be wrong, it's been a while.

Based on some previous speculation in this thread, if we are to take the ⊗ to be a stand-in for letters or other characters, it could possibly be a fusion of 0 and x (hence the non-protruding X this time) which is the prefix for hexadecimal notation of numbers (as in 0x75, which I'll reference below, but I doubt this is even remotely the case for this code - just stating the possibility for the record).

Another interpretation is that perhaps the operator symbol could be a "1-up" from zero (which was ciphered in "Impurity") the way it is commonly written in technical fonts (with a line through it, much like the null set symbol Ø) but with an extra slash (hinting at totheark's obsession with slashes in some videos), thus netting a 0 with an x in it: ⊗ (null being more nothing than zero?), which might be significant for this code only (as I maintain it has differences from the usual rendering).

Here's where the really far-fetched stuff starts and it gets a bit technical.

The first thing that caught my eye when I saw the code in full was "75EBX" and it's because I'm roughly familiar with the IA-32 processor instruction set, where 0x75 is one of the jump instructions (jne or jump if not equal to be exact) and EBX is the second general purpose register in 32-bit (and 64-bit I think) processors. It is also used to point to data in the DS segment (for the non-technical, it's used to store addresses to data, as opposed to code).

0x75 is also sometimes referred to as jnz or jump if not zero - they both do the same thing apparently (I used to program microcontrollers in college but this is microprocessor mnemonics that I haven't used), which is check if the ZF (zero flag) is equal to 1, and if so, jump to the memory location appended to the operand (whatever follows 0x75).

this directive isn't used by itself because it needs to reference the result of a previous compare operation (cmp in assembler) in order to decide whether to jump or not. The cmp directive subtracts one of its operands from the other and sets a flag depending on the result and doesn't keep the actual numerical result. (link)

This whole thing makes me consider that perhaps totheark is implying that there is some choice to be made or that some future event depends on the outcome of a confrontation (the "subtraction"). Taken literally (and because I actually had the order wrong when I tested this, placing the segment with the operator symbol last, rather than first so I thought it was RPYRA SIMHT 75EBX 84129 MRWIT IA⊗NR) and subtracting the letter values (not ASCII, their positions in the alphabet which is what totheark has been using more than ASCII values) of SIMHT from RPYRA, you get 9 (in decimal ofcourse). This will be important further down.

As someone pointed out before, if you turn BRIAN into positional alphabet numbers you get:

Code:
B =  2
R = 18
I =  9
A =  1
N = 14


which coincidentally, if you ignore decades, is the exact same numbers in the "84129" segment of the code. totheark has previously had inconsistent rules with their codes (such as in Indicator, where you had to read one binary sequence in reverse order to get the actual message) so I don't think it is a stretch to assume they expect decades to be discarded here as part of the deciphering.

Placing the associated letters in the order of the numbers produces little however:

Code:
84129 -> RNABI


But if you overlay the word with the operator symbol, there is a possible, although again quite far-fetched, clue:

Code:
IA⊗NR
RNABI


if you allow rotations, assume ⊗ = B, one is almost a full reversal of the other, with AB remaining in the same order. It is contrived, but I just wanted to put it here in case it gives anyone an idea. This seems to me somewhat like taking 3 and 6 to have significance because they're missing from the code, as in, the "anomaly" in the rules is a clue of sorts.

Anagrams of the code give little information - the obvious ones are SMITH and PARRY, which, if you google them, gives links to "Perry Smith (murderer" from Wikipedia (but I read the article and there doesn't seem to be any clue, not that I expected anything really) and lots of Parry-Smith surnames which don't seem to have anything to do with this. It could reference a name, but I doubt it. At this point, I'm assuming that the code isn't solvable in parts.

Now is the time to reference that 9 result from before, with the opcode interpretation of 75EBX. Check this article on wikipedia. If you see the addressing modes diagram for 32-bit addresses, it shows how the computer gets them from the registers. If we include only clues referenced in the code we can get:

Code:
DS:EBX + EBX * {1 2 4 8} + [displacement]


I know I have excluded lots of possible combinations while leaving the {1 2 4 8} one intact. See the numbers? The only one missing is 9, which you get if you where to take the two 5-letter words before 75EBX as being the operands to a compare operation. This, again, is pushing it a bit, but it's what I got Razz (Also, there were exactly 9 zeros in the description for "Impurity" which I don't think anyone has linked to anything else yet).

Some interesting results if you interpret the same operation differently:

Code:
rpyra - simht = 1.61711361e8 (~phi ~144/89-1e8) (based on what cmp does if you take the letters to mean numerical digits, based on alphabet position, if position within the word matters for the digits)

rpyra/simht = ~9 (9.12055954106243804554) (9 again but I guess it's unsurprising here)

parry/smith = 8.42155145604771106516 (meaningless)


I also tried taking the alphabet positions as hexadecimal numbers that could mean ASCII, but obviously that doesn't work (out of range for ascii and unicode).

I tried manually anagramming the entire code and I came up with these, amongst other weaker versions:
Code:

BRIAN PARRY SMITH 75EBX 84129 TIMWR
TRAP MR⊗ WITH RAIN BY MIXERS 75 84129 (numbers could be coordinates? perhaps within rosswood?)


I actually came up with some others but upon second inspection they were partial and the left-overs made no sense. Some, in case they give anyone an idea are these:

Code:
TIM TRY ASM 75E X 84129 ⊗BRIAN
TIM THIS WAY BRIAN MR⊗
TIM I AM BRIAN
THR⊗W IT IN A PYRE / IT IS IN A PYRE
TIM TRY BRIAN HIS EX WARM PR
RIP THIS TIM
TIM BRIAN HIM SEX
TIM HIS TRAP IN WAR
TIM BRIAN IS AM THE WORRY
WHY IS RAIN TIM


only mentioning all these partial and crappy ones because the anagram tool I used was quite incapable of coming up with useful permutations (lots of bananas, throwing, "a"s, pyx etc.). It also is quite inefficient and the server gets overloaded easily.

the numbers taken as hexadecimals (0x75eb, 0x84129) and interpreted as coordinates (with the first one being the x coordinate, since x follows it) points to Iran. Other permutations I tried got me the arctic ocean, China, North Africa and somewhere along the Altantic ridge. Rosswood park seems to be at @33.265361,-87.532172. By assuming that the second number isn't in hexadecimal and assuming a negative sign, you do get a location in Florida but it's too far considering all the other locations are bunched up together. Spelling BRIAN with the numbers first would obviously not help since you'd end up with a 2 in front, which would send you to to the Altantic again.

I'm out of ideas, but so far, I think the interpretation that the code contains the names of totheark members is the most plausible. There are certain clues such as the number of repetitions (I think every previous code was either repeated once or repeated differently, this one seems to be the same - I don't think the distortion is significant) that I haven't taken into account but I can't fit them in.

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:12 pm
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Ascalondion
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PurpleLynx wrote:
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That is quite some work you put in there! I thank you for that. But I must confess, I'm a bit disappointed with the results. Your Tl,dr seems to be "TRAP MR⊗ WITH RAIN BY MIXERS 75 84129", which think is a bit of cool nothing. (I wonder whether TTA in Season 1 referenced the storm because it was safe for him to go out while it is raining...?)

I really loved the part with the processor ...things. That seemed really like something TTA would use to hide something, and you even found some (though a bit arbitrary) references to other TTAs. But I'm not sure I understood this part. So (x)75 means "jump if not zero" and EBX is some sort of register to manage where data is stored...or something. We do not know where to jump to, neither do we know when to jump, and what exactly raises the "zero" flag.

But, considering this was posted before #84, we have a jump if not zero (that somehow could refer to Hoodys fall) followed by a device to store data (say, a tape hidden in Hoody cloths). It's a bit reversed engineered, but makes frightingly more sense than any other idea I've read so far.

For your caculation, did you exclude the MRWIT? I saw no fiddeling with that. Did you factor the number of flashes into your calculations? Or the fact that it becomes distorted after some time? I have absolutly zero clue about the technical part, but what is the "displacement" that should be added at the end of this equation...thingy...thing?

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PieAvenger
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This might not help at all...but it's something that I've picked up rewatching the series. Also I'm sorry if someone already mentioned it.

At the beginning of Entry #61, I see the combination "*RWIT"

MRWIT? One of the combinations, right? I don't know how that could possibly have any significance but I mean, it's kind of suspicious...

Other than that, my brain exploded from having attempted this puzzle.

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Ascalondion
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PieAvenger wrote:
This might not help at all...but it's something that I've picked up rewatching the series. Also I'm sorry if someone already mentioned it.

At the beginning of Entry #61, I see the combination "*RWIT"

MRWIT? One of the combinations, right? I don't know how that could possibly have any significance but I mean, it's kind of suspicious...

Other than that, my brain exploded from having attempted this puzzle.


That's, ... wow. Has there been any theory in regards to the sequence at the beginning of #61?

Code:

    ENTRY #RWIT}H00{10G
    ENTRY #R0IH0T{}T010G
    ENTRY #}IHWRGT00{10
    ENTRY #1IHR{WGT0}00


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searchanddestroy
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So is this going to be the last TTA since hoody/Brian died

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Janthran
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I guess 'whatever' was not zero, as Brian seems to have jumped.
*runs*

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Cyan507
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searchanddestroy wrote:
So is this going to be the last TTA since hoody/Brian died


hold that thought.

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PieAvenger
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Ascalondion wrote:
PieAvenger wrote:
This might not help at all...but it's something that I've picked up rewatching the series. Also I'm sorry if someone already mentioned it.

At the beginning of Entry #61, I see the combination "*RWIT"

MRWIT? One of the combinations, right? I don't know how that could possibly have any significance but I mean, it's kind of suspicious...

Other than that, my brain exploded from having attempted this puzzle.


That's, ... wow. Has there been any theory in regards to the sequence at the beginning of #61?

Code:

    ENTRY #RWIT}H00{10G
    ENTRY #R0IH0T{}T010G
    ENTRY #}IHWRGT00{10
    ENTRY #1IHR{WGT0}00


Not yet I think. All I can think about is that the beginning of the entry shows a thunderstorm...

edit: Also, I'm still hanging on to the five letter combination written on the shack at Rosswood in Entry #82.

"JSLIP"

It's five letters long, so it's totally suspicious. Shocked

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The7kproductions
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Quote:
WHY IS RAIN TIM


That's a good question TOTHEARK let me go ask him.

Quote:
TIM I AM BRIAN


Seriously though, I think this one is the most likely.

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searchanddestroy
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The7kproductions wrote:
Quote:
WHY IS RAIN TIM


That's a good question TOTHEARK let me go ask him.

Quote:
TIM I AM BRIAN


Seriously though, I think this one is the most likely.

Could rain be referencing the entry with brian when the run into the house while it was raining? Entry 54 I think.

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The7kproductions
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Rain did't answer my question all he said was

Quote:
wut
OH RIGHT
that thing


I don't know if that's the big answer every one is looking for but what ever.

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I am Tim because

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