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Darkly_Quill wrote:
Did anyone else notice how Hoody seemed just as shocked as Tim to see Jay('s body) on all the "YOUR FAULT" papers? Hoody was initially looking at Jay till Tim noticed him, at which point he seems to enter a much more alert stance before he begins running away.


I agree with you. I also feel the same when the first time I saw Hoody is there. Only I take longer to realize what I actually think about it.

But I wonder. Hoody is the one send him there. Does he not expect him to die or does it the opposite?

I don't where to put this, but what if Jay is The Ark totheark has looking for? That's why Totheark is always try to protect him.

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leadmetodeath wrote:
Darkly_Quill wrote:
Did anyone else notice how Hoody seemed just as shocked as Tim to see Jay('s body) on all the "YOUR FAULT" papers? Hoody was initially looking at Jay till Tim noticed him, at which point he seems to enter a much more alert stance before he begins running away.


I agree with you. I also feel the same when the first time I saw Hoody is there. Only I take longer to realize what I actually think about it.

But I wonder. Hoody is the one send him there. Does he not expect him to die or does it the opposite?

I don't where to put this, but what if Jay is The Ark totheark has looking for? That's why Totheark is always try to protect him.



I don't think Hoody's the one who sent Tim to his house through all the teleporting (Hoody seems to have little control over all of that too), and I don't think Hoody expected Jay to die or somehow brought Jay's body to Tim's house. I don't think either really went to Tim's house at all. I think that was a projection either of TO or (actually, more likely if through intimacy with TO he gained some control over TO's realm, at least to the extent that others are subject to it too) of Alex (who I can't help but wonder may have been the third party watching Tim and Hoody duke it out in a couple of those otherwise impossible perspective scenes).

As for Jay being The Ark? Perhaps... but what does that actually entail? That's a mystery that hopefully will be brought to some solution. What the hell is "The Ark"? What's the significance?

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
leadmetodeath wrote:
Darkly_Quill wrote:
Did anyone else notice how Hoody seemed just as shocked as Tim to see Jay('s body) on all the "YOUR FAULT" papers? Hoody was initially looking at Jay till Tim noticed him, at which point he seems to enter a much more alert stance before he begins running away.


I agree with you. I also feel the same when the first time I saw Hoody is there. Only I take longer to realize what I actually think about it.

But I wonder. Hoody is the one send him there. Does he not expect him to die or does it the opposite?

I don't where to put this, but what if Jay is The Ark totheark has looking for? That's why Totheark is always try to protect him.



I don't think Hoody's the one who sent Tim to his house through all the teleporting (Hoody seems to have little control over all of that too), and I don't think Hoody expected Jay to die or somehow brought Jay's body to Tim's house. I don't think either really went to Tim's house at all. I think that was a projection either of TO or (actually, more likely if through intimacy with TO he gained some control over TO's realm, at least to the extent that others are subject to it too) of Alex (who I can't help but wonder may have been the third party watching Tim and Hoody duke it out in a couple of those otherwise impossible perspective scenes).

As for Jay being The Ark? Perhaps... but what does that actually entail? That's a mystery that hopefully will be brought to some solution. What the hell is "The Ark"? What's the significance?


You wrong. I don't mean Tim's house (or wherever it was) but I mean Benedict Hall. What Hoody really think when he let Jay go there? To let him die after protect him all the time? Or is there something else?

That was an interesting theory. I have nothing to subject it. But for the third person who watch Tim from afar, I think it was totheark.

As for why I think Jay is The Ark, I'll tell you in other post.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
leadmetodeath wrote:
Darkly_Quill wrote:
Did anyone else notice how Hoody seemed just as shocked as Tim to see Jay('s body) on all the "YOUR FAULT" papers? Hoody was initially looking at Jay till Tim noticed him, at which point he seems to enter a much more alert stance before he begins running away.


I agree with you. I also feel the same when the first time I saw Hoody is there. Only I take longer to realize what I actually think about it.

But I wonder. Hoody is the one send him there. Does he not expect him to die or does it the opposite?

I don't where to put this, but what if Jay is The Ark totheark has looking for? That's why Totheark is always try to protect him.



I don't think Hoody's the one who sent Tim to his house through all the teleporting (Hoody seems to have little control over all of that too), and I don't think Hoody expected Jay to die or somehow brought Jay's body to Tim's house. I don't think either really went to Tim's house at all. I think that was a projection either of TO or (actually, more likely if through intimacy with TO he gained some control over TO's realm, at least to the extent that others are subject to it too) of Alex (who I can't help but wonder may have been the third party watching Tim and Hoody duke it out in a couple of those otherwise impossible perspective scenes).

As for Jay being The Ark? Perhaps... but what does that actually entail? That's a mystery that hopefully will be brought to some solution. What the hell is "The Ark"? What's the significance?


You wrong. I don't mean Tim's house (or wherever it was) but I mean Benedict Hall. What Hoody really think when he let Jay go there? To let him die after protect him all the time? Or is there something else?

That was an interesting theory. I have nothing to subject it. But for the third person who watch Tim from afar, I think it was totheark.

As for why I think Jay is The Ark, I'll tell you in other post.

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leadmetodeath wrote:

You wrong. I don't mean Tim's house (or wherever it was) but I mean Benedict Hall. What Hoody really think when he let Jay go there? To let him die after protect him all the time? Or is there something else?

That was an interesting theory. I have nothing to subject it. But for the third person who watch Tim from afar, I think it was totheark.

As for why I think Jay is The Ark, I'll tell you in other post.


leadmetodeath, were you responding to me or to Darkly_Quill?

I have to admit that my interpretation of the series is in part influenced by my being a fan of H.P. Lovecraft (some of his stories, anyway), Dark Shadows, and Twin Peaks (which I not only saw in its original run but also have seen many times since then; I see a few influences on Marble Hornets). In such stories or series, a person, usually someone who's either totally normal or someone who is weaker somehow (low social status, mentally ill, or even merely socially awkward) comes into contact with something completely inhuman, is changed somehow by that experience of contact, and gains the ability to transcend people's everyday limits at least to a degree. Twin Peaks spoiler that will show where I'm coming from (but if you haven't seen TP, be warned that reading this could spoil the series for you):
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The criminally insane former FBI agent Windom Earle, the former partner of the series protagonist Special Agent Cooper, searches out a place of dark preternatural power called The Black Lodge. He finds it and enters it and gains some ability to use it to his will, and his will is geared toward getting some desired revenge on Cooper. It doesn't end well for either. I see something similar possibly happening in MH--the problem is that there hasn't been enough evidence in the latter part of season three of what Alex has been up to, so it's tough really to say what's actually happening with him; there is, however, ample evidence that Alex and TO have some sort of special relationship--that TO has come to nest with Alex for some reason. Also, I don't think Alex is wholly evil, or is evil at all--I think that what Tim said in Entry #72 is more accurate: That Alex fell into something he shouldn't have and didn't understand.


It seems to me that Alex is the most likely choice for the one who was influencing, if not outright controlling, the teleporting in Entry #83. He's the only other member of the MH cast and crew (that we know about) who has had an apparently intimate relationship with TO. I think that some of the places Tim and Hoody teleported were actually simulations rather than actual locations. I don't think they really went to Tim's house and found Jay there. I also think that Alex had a hand in it because he's the most likely candidate for someone who holds Tim responsible for everything (thus the "YOUR FAULT" written repeatedly) and wants to punish him.

As for that third person observer being ToTheArk? That's not an implausible theory, and it's not at all a bad one. But if you agree with me (and I know that a lot of posters don't) that Hoody was ToTheArk on his lonesome since at least the start of season three and maybe even going back to season one, and also that the mug shot of his frowny hoody mask was a revelation that he was TTA, then it's an impossibility.

EDIT: If you want to read a Lovecraft story that is a true masterpiece and that actually has a couple of things in line with Marble Hornets, "The Colour out of Space". Oh my God. I'm not saying it's a direct influence--and they're very different stories--but it's genius stroke of writing (from someone who was a first-rate imagination but at times a third-rate writer, no offense to him, but in this one he hit it not just out of the park but over the next ten).

Second EDIT: I'm sure a fairly solid argument for Jay being The Ark could be made--though it's odd that TTA would tell Jay that he would lead him to The Ark if he WERE the ark, no? Maybe Jay's something needed to access The Ark? I can't help but wonder if we'll ever learn what The Ark really is...

Third EDIT: If they nuke the fridge on this series ending, I'm so not gonna be happy...

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 		Why can't it be TO who was controlling the teleportation? Why are so many people so against the idea that TO is actually a sentient being with an agenda of its own? Alex has never really been shown to have any sort of supernatural powers, and while TTA has made it very clear they think Tim is to blame for things, Alex has only ever blamed Jay for anything- he's barely ever even shown an interest in Tim beyond trying to shoot him at times.

And yeah, it would be weird if Jay was the Ark for one reason- TTA has indicated that the Ark needs to be found, but has never had trouble finding Jay.

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Why can't it be TO who was controlling the teleportation? Why are so many people so against the idea that TO is actually a sentient being with an agenda of its own? Alex has never really been shown to have any sort of supernatural powers, and while TTA has made it very clear they think Tim is to blame for things, Alex has only ever blamed Jay for anything- he's barely ever even shown an interest in Tim beyond trying to shoot him at times.

And yeah, it would be weird if Jay was the Ark for one reason- TTA has indicated that the Ark needs to be found, but has never had trouble finding Jay.


I don't have a problem with seeing TO as sentient. But TO doesn't consistently seem all that sentient or intentionally malicious throughout the series. Even in entries such as Entry #14, TO seems to be something looking for a host or to nest, not something with the thought "I'm coming for you, Kralie, and you will do my bidding!" We don't even know what TO really is--whether it's from another dimension, from another planet, from some weird confluence of dimensions, from the combined fears and desires of some or all major characters. The only entry that I can think of that seems to undermine my thought that TO may not be actually sentient or at least in a human or superhuman sense but may be a parasite or pest, is Entry #60, where it really seems to want either to capture Jay or to keep him away from Tim's medical records. Again, the operative word is "seems."

Honestly, the way he appears in Entries #14, #26, and #54 at least seems consistent with vermin. He's like a big bug or mouse or rat who's been caught sneaking around looking for dirty laundry or old pizza boxes or something.

I'm not saying that Alex has "supernatural" powers in the sense that he's just become a wizard or some shit like that. I'm saying that the trope of an ordinary human being being so changed by the encounter with something outside the bounds of human knowledge that he gains some sort of intimacy with it, including the ability to tap into and somewhat use that something outside the bounds of human knowledge, that this may be what is happening in MH. I don't think there's anything invalid about drawing from similar genre in various media and forming a sort of lens to view and interpret Marble Hornets through. I'm not the first to mention Lovecraft and Lynch, for example, whether on or off of Unfiction, in reference to it.

It's entirely possible that TO was responsible for all of the teleporting. That's how I interpreted Entry #83 the first few times I watched it. But it's curious that he only materializes at two particular points. And the "YOUR FAULT YOUR FAULT YOUR FAULT" seems out of character for an entity that has only ever (maybe) been witnessed engaging in speech by mocking Jay's speech and throwing it back at him in a distorted form of his own voice. Plus why would TO all of a sudden torment Tim in such a verbal and visual way, when we've got the mind rape of Entry #65, which was radically, shockingly different? TO doesn't seem like the kind of eldritch horror that would call out any "fault" in Tim. But Alex, especially if Entry #84 is the moment at which Tim passed on the TO infection to Alex, would. Brian/Hoody/TTA, for all of the season three videos about Tim's "lying," likely wouldn't have: He seemed just as startled to have apparently been teleported to Tim's house to find Jay's dying or dead body.

Anyway, with the upcoming entries drawing the series to a close, we'll soon know!

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lonsumtravlr wrote:

leadmetodeath, were you responding to me or to Darkly_Quill?

I have to admit that my interpretation of the series is in part influenced by my being a fan of H.P. Lovecraft (some of his stories, anyway), Dark Shadows, and Twin Peaks (which I not only saw in its original run but also have seen many times since then; I see a few influences on Marble Hornets). In such stories or series, a person, usually someone who's either totally normal or someone who is weaker somehow (low social status, mentally ill, or even merely socially awkward) comes into contact with something completely inhuman, is changed somehow by that experience of contact, and gains the ability to transcend people's everyday limits at least to a degree. Twin Peaks spoiler that will show where I'm coming from (but if you haven't seen TP, be warned that reading this could spoil the series for you):
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The criminally insane former FBI agent Windom Earle, the former partner of the series protagonist Special Agent Cooper, searches out a place of dark preternatural power called The Black Lodge. He finds it and enters it and gains some ability to use it to his will, and his will is geared toward getting some desired revenge on Cooper. It doesn't end well for either. I see something similar possibly happening in MH--the problem is that there hasn't been enough evidence in the latter part of season three of what Alex has been up to, so it's tough really to say what's actually happening with him; there is, however, ample evidence that Alex and TO have some sort of special relationship--that TO has come to nest with Alex for some reason. Also, I don't think Alex is wholly evil, or is evil at all--I think that what Tim said in Entry #72 is more accurate: That Alex fell into something he shouldn't have and didn't understand.


It seems to me that Alex is the most likely choice for the one who was influencing, if not outright controlling, the teleporting in Entry #83. He's the only other member of the MH cast and crew (that we know about) who has had an apparently intimate relationship with TO. I think that some of the places Tim and Hoody teleported were actually simulations rather than actual locations. I don't think they really went to Tim's house and found Jay there. I also think that Alex had a hand in it because he's the most likely candidate for someone who holds Tim responsible for everything (thus the "YOUR FAULT" written repeatedly) and wants to punish him.

As for that third person observer being ToTheArk? That's not an implausible theory, and it's not at all a bad one. But if you agree with me (and I know that a lot of posters don't) that Hoody was ToTheArk on his lonesome since at least the start of season three and maybe even going back to season one, and also that the mug shot of his frowny hoody mask was a revelation that he was TTA, then it's an impossibility.

EDIT: If you want to read a Lovecraft story that is a true masterpiece and that actually has a couple of things in line with Marble Hornets, "The Colour out of Space". Oh my God. I'm not saying it's a direct influence--and they're very different stories--but it's genius stroke of writing (from someone who was a first-rate imagination but at times a third-rate writer, no offense to him, but in this one he hit it not just out of the park but over the next ten).

Second EDIT: I'm sure a fairly solid argument for Jay being The Ark could be made--though it's odd that TTA would tell Jay that he would lead him to The Ark if he WERE the ark, no? Maybe Jay's something needed to access The Ark? I can't help but wonder if we'll ever learn what The Ark really is...

Third EDIT: If they nuke the fridge on this series ending, I'm so not gonna be happy...


Sorry, I was replying to you. Xc

I sure you're talking about why Alex is the one who watch them. Alex does quite have reason to revenge/just hate Tim (for whatever reason). Well, thought I do believe Hoody is totheark, but I pretty sure there is Skully in MH. But it only appear once or twice so I don't really sure right now.

1. I'll surely try to read that. Smile
2. Hm... Maybe you are right. Jay is not the ark, but he is probably the key for it. I really need to post it on other comment. Xo
3. I just want to know who and the motive of totheark rather than the ending right now.

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leadmetodeath wrote:
Sorry, I was replying to you. Xc

I sure you're talking about why Alex is the one who watch them. Alex does quite have reason to revenge/just hate Tim (for whatever reason). Well, thought I do believe Hoody is totheark, but I pretty sure there is Skully in MH. But it only appear once or twice so I don't really sure right now.

I just want to know who and the motive of totheark rather than the ending right now.


No problem. Just wanted to be sure.

About Skully--I agree with those posters who have conjectured that Skully is an early version of Hoody. I have no idea why he opted for the cloth mask over the goalie's mask with the teeth drawn on. You'd think it wouldn't be that comfortable down South, lol.

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 		Sorry I'm late to this conversation but when we're talking about this third-person watching we are talking about the second camera at 5:01 right?

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 		(Horrible grammar coming)

Before I reply more, I really have to write stuff I questioned and make me believe that Jay, if not The Ark, is the key to find The Ark. And if he didn't, he does special. It will be easier to make it with list.

Introduction : Jay seriously the only person who didn't involved with TO while the other did. Jay somehow undetectable for 3 years until he watch the tapes. Why it would take that long? TO has the ability to found him without Alex help. We seen that a lot.
Entry #20: Jay has never encounter Slenderman yet he could teleport. If this didn't connected to Entry #72, this mean Jay has power like Masky even before he met TO.
Return: This one of the most bravest act totheark has ever done. He encounter TO DIRECTLY but he was fine. Does Jay has ability to push away TO? Like a charm?
Entry #52: Again Jay encounter TO but TO didn't do anything other than erasing his mind.
Entry #72: This one is my favourite. We can see Jay could predict where TO could appear and it happen few minutes later. And when Jay & Tim is collapse because TO power, he just...left. Why? He can drag/hypnotise them. Why he didn't do that? This make me more believe Jay has ability to push away TO.
Entry #80: This one just a speculation. But there's a possibility Jay teleport himself out of the building to random place. This could be wrong, but I'll stick with this idea until new entry come out.

I'll put more if I remember something else.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:

No problem. Just wanted to be sure.

About Skully--I agree with those posters who have conjectured that Skully is an early version of Hoody. I have no idea why he opted for the cloth mask over the goalie's mask with the teeth drawn on. You'd think it wouldn't be that comfortable down South, lol.


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Well, I don't agree Skully is early Hoody. I have no evidence, but I just don't agree.

I do can imagine how uncomfy Hoody mask are. XD But maybe that symbolize how Hoody does not care about himself anymore. He said by himself "Because nothing is on my mind" in Decline. What do you think?

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 		hoody and masky's relations
ok as I watch this I notice that hoodie was trying to give Tim his mask back but sadly Tim do you want so I guess hoody kind of cared for masky and hoodie was more of the brains of the operation of being a proxy while Naschy is the root of the operations but the operator wanted to keep him contained in one spot where he can find a used he to track him and make him week to see Jay killed.

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 		Hoody attempted to give the mask to Tim to become his little sidekick again. Tim knew that he was vulnerable to becoming Masky due to not having his medication and Hoody tried to take advantage of it.

The Operator didn't "operate" the series' events - Hoody did. As you say, he is the brains. The Operator simply attached to Alex and his associates and fucked up the people that it controlled.

By the way, Hoody was not a proxy, but Masky was a proxy for Hoody when you think about it. They were definitely working against The Operator, and it's been confirmed by Trosephim that Hoody wanted to stop this like Jay and Tim did.
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 		That's one of the things I think remains both the biggest mystery of the series as well as the most overlooked one. Hoody orchestrated so much of the events of this thing; seeming like something of a neutral party, pulling Alex' strings at times, then Jay/Tim's at others.

I think #83 especially carries a lot of things we haven't really caught onto yet.

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