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lonsumtravlr
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FossilizedSauce wrote:
I think #83 especially carries a lot of things we haven't really caught onto yet.


Have to agree with this. It's one of the reasons I didn't participate in that apparent widespread groan that emerged from a large share of the fandom about the series's end. Entry #72 is another that may have more to it.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
FossilizedSauce wrote:
I think #83 especially carries a lot of things we haven't really caught onto yet.


Have to agree with this. It's one of the reasons I didn't participate in that apparent widespread groan that emerged from a large share of the fandom about the series's end. Entry #72 is another that may have more to it.


One of their answers in their reddit AMA (I think Tim said this) is that a lot of questions, he feels, can be answered solely through the *images* that are shown in the entries. 83 is ripe with some absolutely crazy stuff.

Off the top of my head, we see the hospital burning, we see some weird black mask thing that inflates, we see Tim unconscious in his attic (chest cam attached to him) from the point of view of a different camera, with the attic opening.

We see the masked Tim LUNGE at the camera that SHOULD be the point of view of the chest cam. So, Tim lunging at Tim...? Some door in the woods opens up in the middle of nowhere.

There's a reason they chose to include all of that, and I feel that's why it's perfectly alright that they ended the series having it be open to interpretation.

And that goes, like you said, for entries other than this one. For instance, the one where Alex sics the operator on Jay when he first gives him the tapes. If that happened to Jay how the heck did he come back to the land of the living, as Tim and Brian also seem to have accomplished? Though I do think 83 is definitely a huge unsolved mystery that nobody will probably ever be able to concretely solve.

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One of their answers in their reddit AMA (I think Tim said this) is that a lot of questions, he feels, can be answered solely through the *images* that are shown in the entries.


Which kills me, because if the images answered the questions, then most people would know the answers.

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Lithp wrote:
Which kills me, because if the images answered the questions, then most people would know the answers.


This is one of those times I couldn't disagree more with you, Lithp. Visual storytelling wouldn't necessarily lead all to agree any more than oral storytelling would. The answers may be there in the images, but they're processed differently than dialogue is, and some interpretation's necessary--especially when we're as overloaded with images in certain entries (such as #83) or when there are seemingly hidden images that apparently represent flashbacks or some emotional response to TO (as in #72).

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FossilizedSauce wrote:
lonsumtravlr wrote:
FossilizedSauce wrote:
I think #83 especially carries a lot of things we haven't really caught onto yet.


Have to agree with this. It's one of the reasons I didn't participate in that apparent widespread groan that emerged from a large share of the fandom about the series's end. Entry #72 is another that may have more to it.


One of their answers in their reddit AMA (I think Tim said this) is that a lot of questions, he feels, can be answered solely through the *images* that are shown in the entries. 83 is ripe with some absolutely crazy stuff.

Off the top of my head, we see the hospital burning, we see some weird black mask thing that inflates, we see Tim unconscious in his attic (chest cam attached to him) from the point of view of a different camera, with the attic opening.

We see the masked Tim LUNGE at the camera that SHOULD be the point of view of the chest cam. So, Tim lunging at Tim...? Some door in the woods opens up in the middle of nowhere.

There's a reason they chose to include all of that, and I feel that's why it's perfectly alright that they ended the series having it be open to interpretation.

And that goes, like you said, for entries other than this one. For instance, the one where Alex sics the operator on Jay when he first gives him the tapes. If that happened to Jay how the heck did he come back to the land of the living, as Tim and Brian also seem to have accomplished? Though I do think 83 is definitely a huge unsolved mystery that nobody will probably ever be able to concretely solve.


Thinking this over has led me to some... disturbing ideas. This will be long.

First off: I'd forgotten some of those images. The more unexplainable ones (the fire, the Masky lunge, Tim slumped at the bottom of his attic stairs whilst wearing the chest cam, etc.) lead me to think that maybe they were images from his psyche that were burned into the film (ala Samarra in The Ring). If that's true, than maybe the idea that The Operator was created from Tim's own mind was correct.

Think about it: TO seemed to latch on to people that had contact with Tim, but what about before? Who did Tim pick him up from? How could he be "the source", unless TO actually came from him?

That led me to some other things, all of which are brought up in #66. When he's talking about his treatment, he says that the medication let him go a normal school, he got transferred to another facility, went to college, etc. This stands out to me because I always assumed he went to a different facility because the first one burned down. A lot of people think Tim is the one who burned it down, but I don't. Something about the scene in #83 just made me think he was caught in the fire, rather than setting it. But maybe TO did it. Maybe in response to an unconscious wish from Tim, who just wanted out of there.

I also thought of something else. In #66, Tim talks about going to college, and says that's where he met Brian, who he describes as "the first real friend" he ever had. But in #84, he calls Brian "one of the few friends I had back then". This led to a disturbing thought: what if, by "first real friend" he didn't mean someone who was an actual friend, and not just somebody who was in the same place as him and so had to interact with him? What if he meant the first friend who was a real flesh and blood person, and not... imaginary, for lack of a better term?

And how does Rosswood park fit into all this? I was so sure that's where the final confrontation would take place, since it had been built up as a very important place. Maybe even home turf for TO. I think in a way, it is.

In light of the guys' refusal to give us answers Evil or Very Mad , here's my master theory: Rosswood park is "blessed" in a way (as Alex said in season two). It can manifest people's thoughts, like the town in the video game Alan Wake. One day young Tim is in this park, and wishes for a friend. He was in the right spot, and the right mindset, and the park 'grants' his 'wish'. The Operator is born. Why does he look the way he does? Maybe Tim heard the same stories Alex eventually did about the criminals supposedly executed there, and was subconsciously thinking about their ghosts. Victims of TO do seem to be 'haunted', now that I think of it. Why does it go after Tim, and seemingly everyone he comes in contact with? Rosswood power again. When young Tim saw TO, he probably thought it was a monster, therefore hostile. So this manifestation, bound to Tim, acted according to Tim's expectations. It went after people around Tim because of his sense of isolation from others. Deep down, he expected he would always ultimately be alone, so TO -Tim's uncontrolled, accidental creation- made it so. It could be considered an outward manifestation of his internal tendency to push people away.

And now, Tim's likely to spend the rest of his life completely alone -except for his one, constant companion: The Operator he unwittingly brought into existence out of loneliness.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
Lithp wrote:
Which kills me, because if the images answered the questions, then most people would know the answers.


This is one of those times I couldn't disagree more with you, Lithp. Visual storytelling wouldn't necessarily lead all to agree any more than oral storytelling would. The answers may be there in the images, but they're processed differently than dialogue is, and some interpretation's necessary--especially when we're as overloaded with images in certain entries (such as #83) or when there are seemingly hidden images that apparently represent flashbacks or some emotional response to TO (as in #72).


Except that people, in general, do agree on the basic narrative if it's clear enough. Yes, there are always exceptions, persistent rumors, or people who can't seem to follow a logical progression to save their lives, but 9 times out of 10, most people will recognize most of the main plot points. They won't still be trying to figure them out months after the plot has ended, least of all not by some vague process of visual alchemy that nobody even knows where to begin.

And if it's so unclear that nobody knows what is going on, it is functionally the same as the answer not being there.

I don't want to go too far off-topic, so if anyone wants less abstract examples, PMs are probably the way to go. And yes, this does work with visuals. You can easily tell a story with little to no dialogue or text. You just have to--you know--do it right.

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 		Medusa, I really like your theory! It makes sense, even in the trailer for the Marble Hornets movie it seemed like Tim was cast as an outsider, someone with no friends, and especially with the issues he suffered from, maybe he made the Operator up. In that case, his last message, everything is fine, is especially sad, since he knows he'll have to isolate himself in order to keep everyone else safe. I can honestly see him becoming the next Hoody, living by himself out in the middle of nowhere, with the Operator showing up every so often.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
In light of the guys' refusal to give us answers Evil or Very Mad , here's my master theory: Rosswood park is "blessed" in a way (as Alex said in season two). It can manifest people's thoughts, like the town in the video game Alan Wake. One day young Tim is in this park, and wishes for a friend. He was in the right spot, and the right mindset, and the park 'grants' his 'wish'. The Operator is born. Why does he look the way he does? Maybe Tim heard the same stories Alex eventually did about the criminals supposedly executed there, and was subconsciously thinking about their ghosts. Victims of TO do seem to be 'haunted', now that I think of it. Why does it go after Tim, and seemingly everyone he comes in contact with? Rosswood power again. When young Tim saw TO, he probably thought it was a monster, therefore hostile. So this manifestation, bound to Tim, acted according to Tim's expectations. It went after people around Tim because of his sense of isolation from others. Deep down, he expected he would always ultimately be alone, so TO -Tim's uncontrolled, accidental creation- made it so. It could be considered an outward manifestation of his internal tendency to push people away.

And now, Tim's likely to spend the rest of his life completely alone -except for his one, constant companion: The Operator he unwittingly brought into existence out of loneliness.


Yo Medusa, that's a fucking awesome theory. Good thoughts man, thanks for sharing!

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 		Thanks, guys!

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 		Another thought to toss into that is the fact that the Operator ALLOWS Tim to kill Alex in the end. Or, perhaps, forces Tim to do it. Because how many times have we watched Hoodie/Masky try to kill Alex only to be thwarted by the Operator? Once Alex has taken care of everybody else involved, Tim all of the sudden succeeds...

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