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Geneaux486
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 		My guess is it's the one where Jay and Alex were location scouting. Pre-production, no odd behavior from Alex, and aside from the audio distortion that they were obviously not aware of at the time, nothing was even remotely amiss.

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 		This. That's when The Operator first saw Alex and took an interest in him. After that were entries #12 and #2 where The Operator started following him and showing up. This is when Alex started noticing him back and began to investigating leading to #4 and #70. I think after #70, he got scared and started running from The Operator and eventually just filming himself constantly.
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Marble Hornets wrote:
All locations are usually scouted beforehand. Scripts are very rarely rewritten that much that would require a whole new location. IMO 12 takes place somewhere in early-mid summer 2006 but there are a handful of entries that come before it.


We know that the script got revised from Entry #20, and Tim commented on the quality (or lack thereof) of the script in Entry #17. In Entry #55, during production, Tim is suggesting new locations. Given all this I think it's realistic that were some significant changes to the script and new locations/location scouting after production started.

Personally I like the idea that Alex went back to the red tower with Jay after waking up there one time and not wanting to go back alone. I also like the idea that Entry #13 was the first time Alex encountered the operator, as he seems genuinely curious about the symbol, as if he's seeing it for the first time, then notices the operator as he looks for more. Alas, I don't think either idea can be made to work without some serious messing around with facts from other videos Sad

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aidansean wrote:
We know that the script got revised from Entry #20, and Tim commented on the quality (or lack thereof) of the script in Entry #17. In Entry #55, during production, Tim is suggesting new locations. Given all this I think it's realistic that were some significant changes to the script and new locations/location scouting after production started.


Right--that's a good point. If the revisions were substantial, some new scouting may have been needed. We don't know exactly what was rewritten--only that it involved Tim and Brian (likely, as Tim showed up and as they were waiting on Brian). Wouldn't be surprised if this followed Entry #17 with Tim's comment about the quality of Alex's dialogue. If so, however, then TO was at least following Tim, as he was outside the window as Tim, Jay, and Alex rehearsed, though he apparently wasn't seen by anyone--maybe this is where TO came to take interest in Alex (Enttry #37 notwithstanding)?

In Entry #55 Alex says that he was having trouble finding a school-like location that would let him shoot, and Tim mentions the hospital. Entries #56, #57, #22(? except maybe for Alex's statement at the end about everyone being "gone"), and #51 all come some time later, because not only did Tim say at the start of #56 that he'd "almost thought [Alex had] given up on this place" because "a long time" had passed since it was mentioned, but also Brian seems to have forgotten that Tim had mentioned the hospital to Alex (he was present in #55--of course, he may not have had too much reason to make all the connections even if an apparently significant amount of time had not elapsed). Entry #55 does serve somewhat to advance the theory that Tim may be the one setting everyone up (as he suggested the hospital), but I don't really see too much evidence of that in other entries (though it does raise the question of why he'd draw people to a site that had caused him so much trauma, although he only drew them to the main building and not the wing where his room had been).

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I also like the idea that Entry #13 was the first time Alex encountered the operator, as he seems genuinely curious about the symbol, as if he's seeing it for the first time, then notices the operator as he looks for more. Alas, I don't think either idea can be made to work without some serious messing around with facts from other videos Sad


This theory makes sense, though then I wonder why Alex would say in Entry #2 that he and Rocky saw "a really weird-looking guy" and not "a really weird-looking guy" who looks like that really weird-looking, faceless guy I saw out in the park location scouting with Jay." (Of course, TO can wipe memories, so it's possible Alex just didn't remember it. But he'd still have the tape.) I also wonder (I posted this earlier, though I think on another thread) to whom he was speaking in Entry #2 and whether the obsessive taping might actually predate exposure to TO? Seeing a weird guy near the set isn't necessarily the kind of thing you'd mention in your behind-the-scenes documentary.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
I also wonder (I posted this earlier, though I think on another thread) to whom he was speaking in Entry #2 and whether the obsessive taping might actually predate exposure to TO? Seeing a weird guy near the set isn't necessarily the kind of thing you'd mention in your behind-the-scenes documentary.


I think he was just saying it for posterity. As he said in the video, something about the thing's presence really unnerved him, and we know that the Operator can harm people simply by being in the same general area as them, so it doesn't seem so weird to me that Alex was going all ghost hunter on the return trip. I think that night was the first time Alex actually beheld the Operator, then the entry (4, I think) where he's walking around the park and sees it walking by happened directly after the events in entry 2. Then as we saw in season three, he went back to that location and tried to walk the same path as before in order to encounter the creature again.

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 		Dude, you may be right. Your explanation is more than plausible. I just raise the questions because they were themselves raised in my personal attempt to figure out just what the heck happened first. My initial thought on viewing the first season was that this happened before the playground encounter and TO's stalking Alex at his home in Entries #1 and #6.

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 		This isn't really relevant but I'll just leave it here.

Dos anyone else notice that the beginning of the tape in Entry 26 looks a lot like parts of Entry 22? This, combined with the events of 22, means that Entry 22 is probably the last tape from 2006.

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 		84 has gotta be very early in the production.
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Sidenote wrote:
84 has gotta be very early in the production.


It's clearly labeled day 1.

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gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
84 has gotta be very early in the production.


It's clearly labeled day 1.


Of auditions. Some script has been wrote.

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Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
84 has gotta be very early in the production.


It's clearly labeled day 1.


Of auditions. Some script has been wrote.


Fair enough...though I doubt we'll see footage of anything earlier than this.

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gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
84 has gotta be very early in the production.


It's clearly labeled day 1.


Of auditions. Some script has been wrote.


Fair enough...though I doubt we'll see footage of anything earlier than this.


Same, as this appears to be the first appearance of TO, and Brian and Tim meeting Alex for the first time. Also Tim seems somewhat shy, but Brian is much friendlier, but during mid production Tim seems ok, like 7 for example.
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Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
84 has gotta be very early in the production.


It's clearly labeled day 1.


Of auditions. Some script has been wrote.


Fair enough...though I doubt we'll see footage of anything earlier than this.


Same, as this appears to be the first appearance of TO, and Brian and Tim meeting Alex for the first time. Also Tim seems somewhat shy, but Brian is much friendlier, but during mid production Tim seems ok, like 7 for example.


Brian: "I'm Brian." [Smirking]
Alex: "It's okay I know who you are."

Also I raised some question regarding this in the #84 thread. If this is the first appearance of TO, did neither Brian nor Tim had anything to do with this? So all of this only happend because Alex was filming the wrong street? Not even some stuff in Rosswood or some creepy building, but a random street? Doubt it.
This is either a hint that TO appeared at the same day Tim met Alex, or a hint that TO was stalking Alex WAY longer than he knew, but he failed to realise it. (because he never filmed before?... sounds iffy. So I go with Tim being the cause of that - although that leaves open why TO was so interessted in Alex and how normal Brian was at the time of the audition.)

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Ascalondion wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
gennerx wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
84 has gotta be very early in the production.


It's clearly labeled day 1.


Of auditions. Some script has been wrote.


Fair enough...though I doubt we'll see footage of anything earlier than this.


Same, as this appears to be the first appearance of TO, and Brian and Tim meeting Alex for the first time. Also Tim seems somewhat shy, but Brian is much friendlier, but during mid production Tim seems ok, like 7 for example.


Brian: "I'm Brian." [Smirking]
Alex: "It's okay I know who you are."

Also I raised some question regarding this in the #84 thread. If this is the first appearance of TO, did neither Brian nor Tim had anything to do with this? So all of this only happend because Alex was filming the wrong street? Not even some stuff in Rosswood or some creepy building, but a random street? Doubt it.
This is either a hint that TO appeared at the same day Tim met Alex, or a hint that TO was stalking Alex WAY longer than he knew, but he failed to realise it. (because he never filmed before?... sounds iffy. So I go with Tim being the cause of that - although that leaves open why TO was so interessted in Alex and how normal Brian was at the time of the audition.)


I've always maintained that Tim is the cause of everything.

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 		We pretty much know for a fact at this point that the footage in 84 was the first footage relevant to the "incident", and that Tim is Patient Zero.

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