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DHawk314 · Entrenched Joined: 17 May 2011 Posts: 1087

Jay walking through the door seems totally consistent with what we see in 82 in the woods, and 23 in Brian's house for that matter. I don't really see a problem with the blood on Alex's head much either.

**Posted:** Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:37 pm

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Sha Noran · Entrenched Joined: 29 Apr 2013 Posts: 919

**Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:51 am

lonsumtravlr

Honest to God, the only idea I think they 1. didn't have even partially fleshed out in season one, 2. gave up on sometime as late as the start of this third and final season, or 3. both, is The Ark itself.

I don't think we'll ever know what this is, especially if Hoody really was TTA all by his lonesome. If as some (including myself) have been speculating he really was more someone who was so fucked up by the MH experience that his master plan was all inside his head (and probably changed many times after subsequent TO attacks, especially if he ran low on the meds he stole from Tim), then maybe it was just a figment of his own imagination. Maybe it's a sort of secret or hidden history, whatever, that he "saw" and then pursued but now dies with him?

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I don't think everything needs to be explained. But it'll be damn annoying at first if this thing ends without an explanation of that (though I think it may look much more sensical with time--plus if the movie operates in the same universe though with different characters, maybe we'll get the revelation then). I don't think that treating statements from the trio that they didn't have everything fleshed out before they finished season one and were shooting at least as much for scares and mood as for plot is a Word of God statement that they were sort of dicking around and fell haphazardly into a series. They could have had things plotted out and just realized that if the series gained a fandom (which it did), they wouldn't be able to wrap it up in one or even two seasons, and then visited things in greater detail, etc. There are many filmmakers who work from outlines, sketches, and editing but otherwise sit back and allow the film or the series to sort of just happen, writing and revising dialogue along the way. Trial and error filmmaking ain't the same as jumping in with no bearing whatsoever.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:30 pm

TheJoker

But the Ark was addressed in the main series for the first time not five entries ago. Entry 79 ring a bell? I think the fact that they bothered to feature such a blatant reference to it, and TTA's most recent "ARK AWAITS", should indicate that they have something in mind, regardless of whether that idea in any way lines up with what they have planned back in S1. Why bother suddenly starting to namedrop it all over the place if it's been scrapped? Why not just let it vanish quietly into the background, in that case?

And yeah, I see your point, though a lot of their statements seem to indicate that they were just dicking around for everything at least up until the house entries. At that point it was more just supposed to be a visual version of the Something Awful TSM stories, and likely was, like those stories, not going to really be given a definitive resolution. I do think that around the time they got to the house they may have realized that this was going to be a different sort of series than their original idea and started to outline things further.

**Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:03 pm

lonsumtravlr

**Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:37 pm

TheJoker

Even the Ark just being a figment of Hoody's imagination would still be something, provided it was clearly explained in the series in some way. That wouldn't mean the very idea of the Ark has been abandoned.

Actually... the idea that Hoody believes the Ark is something with answers or something that can stop TO, but it's not even real, reminds me a little of how in Slender The Arrival, there are a bunch of references from another character indicating that the tower is a safe haven from TO, but it turns out that it isn't really. And Arrival was written by Trosephim...

**Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:52 pm

lonsumtravlr

**Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:06 pm

FossilizedSauce · Unfettered Joined: 13 Jul 2011 Posts: 415

**Posted:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:49 pm

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**Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:12 am

KTsteve · Unfettered Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Posts: 437

Honestly I don't think anything from season 1 is meant to be disregarded. To this day there hasn't been anything that's just been "thrown out". Just because they didn't have an exact plan at that time doesn't mean they don't now. Anyone who writes, or does any form of story telling would know this.

Read any book series where it originally wasn't expected to be popular, Harry Potter is a good example of this. There are just a ton of things that Rowling probably never intended to be important. The goblins for instance, while originally just a throwaway race that ran the bank, they eventually were fleshed out into a race that has it's own history, important characters, etc.

Also Halo, the first game had never intended to be a long standing game series. When it became ridiculously popular they made the story a lot better, again taking things they had thrown in "because they were cool" and giving them a deeper story then random aliens you shoot.

Marble hornets is the same way, silly little throwaway ideas thrown in for spooks were turned into story. The operators effect on electronics, teleportation/time travel, masky, the hole in the forest, the crew being "gone".

TL;DR Season 1 is canon, all of it, until the writers either state as such, or they retcon it. If there's anything to discuss, it would be what parts of the totheark videos were meant to just be spooks, and which parts were relevant information.[/u]

**Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:13 pm

Zarggg · Unfictologist Joined: 23 Dec 2010 Posts: 1660

**Posted:** Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:46 pm

JAL13

**Posted:** Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:54 pm

evanx275h

I sort of agree with the whole "everything is relevant unless the opposite is stated officially or retconned" point, so I'll reevaluate my point: HOW are all of the TTA videos and entries and such relevant, and what hasn't been answered yet?

The bullet casing, in my opinion, was just a foreshadowing of Alex having a gun. Perhaps there was an unseen standoff or something that required Alex to use it, either on Masky (which wouldn't have made sense; Masky was there two entries after Jay found the casing) or on the Operator, since Alex didn't seem to be fully under its control in the season 1 entries. That's all here-say, though.

The teleporting door in Entry #24 was sort of explained for me in Entry #23, and then more detailed in Entry #82. The rooms, much like Rossword park, we're shifting around, due to tampering by the Operator. Again, all here-say.

And the one I (and others, by the look of it) want answered: WHAT HAPPENED AFTER ENTRY #12!?

**Posted:** Mon May 12, 2014 2:30 pm

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**Posted:** Mon May 12, 2014 3:39 pm

Cyan507

I'm not sure about the TTA videos, but the phrasing in the MH font at the start and end of videos has always been interesting, Troy even said once that it was one of the hardest bits about making a MH Entry.

Like at the end of #52 it really got me excited for Season 3.

Regardless I'm going to see this through <totheend>

**Posted:** Mon May 12, 2014 4:09 pm