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No, that is not a solid confirmation. That could easily be a red herring.
hah yeah no. its confirmed man, probably not to your satisfaction but it is.

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 		The series is almost at an end. It would be terrible of them to give us that and take it away nearly at the end.

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Marble Hornets wrote:


This was also such a stupid tape for Hoody to be carrying around. It really isn't all that significant and if Hoody truly is dead and gone forever, they really messed up by not revealing his face in the previous entry. This entry is not a solid confirmation that Hoody is Brian.


Although I partially agree with you, I think we can look deeper on this tape. I think the point is that its supposed to look pointless. Maybe it was a way for Hoody to remember his past self. We don't know how crazy he was. Also, the traffic lights scared the crap out of me. It looked like hoody eyes.

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Miller wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
No, that is not a solid confirmation. That could easily be a red herring.
hah yeah no. its confirmed man, probably not to your satisfaction but it is.


Nice rebuttal. That's how 4 year olds argue.

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 		Well, first off I doubt its a big film within a film meta joke. I can appreciate your reasoning behind thinking so, but that would be a major gimmicky twist and I just doubt it.

Secondly, digging the blurred lines in the dialogue between relevance and in-jokes. I'll have to rewatch it to see if I agree with any of this conjecture regarding Tim's appearance and mannerisms being due in part or whole to MH's script.

Totally called the reverse unmasking. Had to say it again, lol. Definitely hits you in the feels though, to think that Brian kept this on his person just in case he woke up one day with no ides who he was. Poor Brian, I can only hope for a reveal detailing his motives, if only vaguely.

I've only watched it once but Im curious... do you guys think that, OOG
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They just filmed this? Or did they do this a while ago and save it as part of their long-con with the masked men? They look really young, and in addition to their appearance their mannerisms really remind me of S1.


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I think we can look deeper on this tape. I think the point is that its supposed to look pointless. Maybe it was a way for Hoody to remember his past self. We don't know how crazy he was. Also, the traffic lights scared the crap out of me. It looked like hoody eyes.


All of the characters in MH seem to be stuck in the aftermath of some traumatic event (yes, I know the obvious, but I needed an opening sentence). Brian, Alex (if it's believed that he was carrying around Amy's pic to remind himself of her, whether he "offered" her to TO or not), and Tim (with the hospital) are the only ones who have anything resembling a solid connection to their pre-(IG) MH and TO encounter lives. Jay said in Entry #75 that he couldn't remember anything he was doing other than living in the "crappy apartment" that was burned down. Jessica couldn't remember how to get to her house and was "losing huge chunks of time." Whatever happened to Brian during the filming (and most likely in Entry #51) really worked him over, changed him.

One thing I noticed about this latest entry--and this is on watching it again--is that it gives a clue to the nature of Brian and Tim's friendship. Tim really had no friends or family before meeting Brian at school--neglect and even abuse are hinted at. Brian seems like something between a big brother or cousin and a surrogate father or uncle. There's a bit of dominance (if not domination) in the way he talks to Tim, conveys Alex's offer of an audition, and extends the offer of dinner to Alex; all through Brian's audition Tim shuffles outside as if he's a little kid following his dad to the hardware store or his mom to the mall (apologies for the statically gendered stereotypes there, but what the fuck?), and he says good-bye to Alex in the same way (no handshake--that's for grown-ups--and he's very shy).

It seems that there's a hint of what (assuming that Brian really was Hoody) could develop from a dominant to a domineering position of power over Tim (especially when he became Masky). Still not one-hundred-percent corroboration, but it's looking stronger. (Maybe Brian realized that too? Dunno.)

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 		This has to be filmed recently given Tim's lack of sideburns. If it was old, they made us wait 2-3 weeks for really nothing.

And again, the trio have disproved the whole "movie within a movie" thing a long time ago in an interview.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
Miller wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
No, that is not a solid confirmation. That could easily be a red herring.
hah yeah no. its confirmed man, probably not to your satisfaction but it is.


Nice rebuttal. That's how 4 year olds argue.


Occam's Razor applies here.

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It's clear we're getting down to the last entries (three, tops). It's too late for them to be pulling something like that.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:
wassupbro wrote:
I think we can look deeper on this tape. I think the point is that its supposed to look pointless. Maybe it was a way for Hoody to remember his past self. We don't know how crazy he was. Also, the traffic lights scared the crap out of me. It looked like hoody eyes.


All of the characters in MH seem to be stuck in the aftermath of some traumatic event (yes, I know the obvious, but I needed an opening sentence). Brian, Alex (if it's believed that he was carrying around Amy's pic to remind himself of her, whether he "offered" her to TO or not), and Tim (with the hospital) are the only ones who have anything resembling a solid connection to their pre-(IG) MH and TO encounter lives. Jay said in Entry #75 that he couldn't remember anything he was doing other than living in the "crappy apartment" that was burned down. Jessica couldn't remember how to get to her house and was "losing huge chunks of time." Whatever happened to Brian during the filming (and most likely in Entry #51) really worked him over, changed him.

One thing I noticed about this latest entry--and this is on watching it again--is that it gives a clue to the nature of Brian and Tim's friendship. Tim really had no friends or family before meeting Brian at school--neglect and even abuse are hinted at. Brian seems like something between a big brother or cousin and a surrogate father or uncle. There's a bit of dominance (if not domination) in the way he talks to Tim, conveys Alex's offer of an audition, and extends the offer of dinner to Alex; all through Brian's audition Tim shuffles outside as if he's a little kid following his dad to the hardware store or his mom to the mall (apologies for the statically gendered stereotypes there, but what the fuck?), and he says good-bye to Alex in the same way (no handshake--that's for grown-ups--and he's very shy).

It seems that there's a hint of what (assuming that Brian really was Hoody) could develop from a dominant to a domineering position of power over Tim (especially when he became Masky). Still not one-hundred-percent corroboration, but it's looking stronger. (Maybe Brian realized that too? Dunno.)



you are over analyzing to a large degree. you can't just create fictional pasts for characters based on one or two little facts like that (unless you're the creator, of course)

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Sha Noran wrote:
do you guys think that, OOG
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They just filmed this? Or did they do this a while ago and save it as part of their long-con with the masked men? They look really young, and in addition to their appearance their mannerisms really remind me of S1.


They could have done it back then--though they're not really all that old now that making them look as they would have circa 2006 would be that great a stretch.

Yes, I agree that the meta-joke would be too much.

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MC_Loki wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
Miller wrote:
Marble Hornets wrote:
No, that is not a solid confirmation. That could easily be a red herring.
hah yeah no. its confirmed man, probably not to your satisfaction but it is.


Nice rebuttal. That's how 4 year olds argue.


Occam's Razor applies here.

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It's clear we're getting down to the last entries (three, tops). It's too late for them to be pulling something like that.


If this is truly how they are going to reveal that Brian is Hoody, then people's lack of anger at a cheap reveal like that surprises me. As someone who has followed this for 5 years, that is not a suitable way to reveal something.


Also, this isn't the first time someone asked Alex who wrote the lines. I think Tim asked him in one of the season 1 entries too.

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If this is truly how they are going to reveal that Brian is Hoody, then people's lack of anger at a cheap reveal like that surprises me. As someone who has followed this for 5 years, that is not a suitable way to reveal something.

I don't mind this reveal, of course they'll expand on it next entry, if you don't think so then your insane. I've been following it for just as long and I think that it is a suitable way to introduce something that will later be expanded on.

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Marble Hornets wrote:
you are over analyzing to a large degree. you can't just create fictional pasts for characters based on one or two little facts like that (unless you're the creator, of course)


Respectfully, I disagree here. I'm not saying that this is solid. I'm saying that I think that there may be something about the way they act on tape and the dialogue, mannerisms, etc. They're also at least capable enough actors to pull off a scene that could at least suggest this, and for whatever flaws the episode has, it's tightly written enough that if this was an idea in the writers' minds and it saw its way to execution, then it's not a big stretch to speculate that they may have been suggesting this.

I'm not basing it only on one or two little facts. Brian was Tim's "first real friend" (Entry #66) and one of the only friends Tim had at the time (Entry #84). Tim's history is still largely unknown and food for speculation, but the speculation about abuse and neglect makes a lot of sense. The relationship between Hoody and Tim-Masky is apparently one in which the former had a great deal of control over the latter and was clearly exploitative, and could be something that would grow, even naturally and without any conscious effort on Brian's part, from a surrogate brother-needy youth relationship into something much more controlled. Look at the motions and listen to the dialogue. I'm not at all saying that there definitely is something beneath the surface; I'm saying that it's at least plausible, and it's not evidence of lazy writing. If anything, it's very well scripted.

They're not spelling everything out--there are little hints of all sorts of things throughout the series that may or may not be red herrings. For example, in Entry #60.5 we learn that Tim is a high suicide risk, and in Entry #61 we see a razor blade in the empty wooden pillbox, as if he has it ready for something (it's an odd place to keep a razor blade unless someone was planning to use it or finding some place that for some reason he would see as an impediment to using it--but this breaks down into further speculation).

Don't get me wrong here either--I've been seeing connections between Twin Peaks in particular and MH, and David Lynch suggests abuse and even neglect in practically everything he writes and directs, so I'm not saying I might not be projecting some of that in there. But also, this ain't all in my fuckin' head. I'm working with what I've seen in the entries and also with whatever theories I've read on the boards and have found to have at least some tentative merit. I'm not saying I'm Word Of God right here.

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 		Good idea. It's after ten-thirty somewhere.

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