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[VIDEO] Entry #84
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Smoking_Gnu
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
Geneaux486 wrote:
Sidenote wrote:
Brian has a hoody
Hoody has a hoody
Brian = Hoody


Also Tim unmasked him in entry 83.


I'm not saying it's not Brian, I just wished it was a proper unmasking. If we saw him in 83, I would be happy.


I completely agree with you there. I think they should have let us see his face then. I'm just saying I don't think Tim uncovered Brian's identity because of matching clothes, I think he mentioned that bit because he considered it to be a profound coincidence. Like "Huh, he was even wearing the same clothes that day..."


To be honest, I'm glad from a storytelling perspective we only see Past Brian. There's no doubt living a nomadic existence with questionable sanity for the past 6 years took a physical toll on the guy, so his physical appearance during when Tim unmasked him had to be pretty warped. Some may have liked the complete resolution of seeing him Present Day, but I thought this whole process worked much better as a "scarier/better if left to the viewer's imagination" setup.

Now that setup can obviously be annoying if abused or used incorrectly, but I thought it worked pretty well in this specific instance. YMMV, of course.

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420Goku
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Nuke74 wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but at 8:28, someone is heard saying "Alex"

It is almost in the same moment TO appears in the background. The voice sounds vaguely similar to Jay's, but it is too distorted to really tell.


I don't hear that. If that's actually the case someone should see if it's like the "Alex..." thing that was in one of the early TTAs (I think we found it by reversing the sound or something?). If it is I'll be amazed. Kinda doubt it though.

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did they just record this entry? if so... are we gonna have to wait for Tim (and maybe Alex) to grow back facial hair? It'll seem a little forced if Tim announces he just so happened to go clean shaven after this vid. I hope Tim grows that back really fast, otherwise... what a wait.

the alternative is that they've had this tape around for a very long time, which would be really cool. But if that's the case, why did we have to wait like a month for this entry? Maybe they were recording another one that will be posted April 4. A boy can dream.


Gotta admit I'm a little disappointed this video didn't touch on the motivation/master plan of Hoody. Will we ever really know? But damn... isn't the image of HoodyB hunkered up somewhere in rosswood watching this tape to remind himself of the good old days fucking heartbreaking? It adds a bit of personality into it all that I really like. I also like the image of dorky Alex wasting his day waiting for people to show up to auditions but they never do... and then when he's walking home and his camera starts to fuck up on him (not knowing it's cuz of good ole slendy) and he just gets mad, "oh... so now the camera's screwing up!" Poor Alex.

Anyways... is this the first TO sighting? I have no clue if that's even TO there. Is this the first instance of a camera getting oppy-fucked? I assume this means capturing Tim on tape is what caused it all.

Someone earlier said this video was being constantly referenced to by TTA, as though this tape was like his grounding and his base. I think that theory might have some weight. And if someone proves my hypothesis about the Alex name calling at the top of my post - or some other thing like it - I'll REALLY start considering it. It's a very neat theory.

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wassupbro
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Ok, so there is something very small in this video that bugs me.

At first, I was creeped out, because the room looks no different than it did in Entry 78. This would show that the ARK might not be just a specific location, but an entirely different universe or dimension. I feel this until I see the mirror.



There are a few significant differences, and I feel like Trosephim easily would have made sure to have the writing look as identical as possible to the previous wiritng. Also, the symbol is significantly smaller. Did someone set this up to make it look like nothing happened since Jay left?


On a side note, assuming the above is just a small blooper, I just came up with a theory wondering why, in Entry 83, Tim was teleported to those specific locations. What if the Operator's other dimension thingy is actually just a figment of your memories that he recreates? Why would he have teleported to his house? I really wonder if this is the case. It also could go hand in hand with the Operator feeding off of your memories.


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MC_Loki
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gennerx wrote:
MC_Loki wrote:
ReverendJ wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
Why does Hoody even has this tape? Why did he never bother to upload it, but rather some creepy ax crazy videos with cryptic messages?
Because his decision making skills have been compromised by a lobotomizing eldrich abomination.


He kept it on him because he didn't want his identity to be discovered.


He would of just destroyed the tape then. I think he kept it so he wouldn't forget who he is.


I've posited several times that this is a "if you're watching this, I'm already dead" tape and this helped give some explanation as to how all of this started in case he didn't make it. Brian was lucid when he had access to Tim's pills (which is why there was a long drought of TTA vids), so I don't think the "tie to his past" angle has a lot of weight to it. He may have had earlier plans to reveal his identity if they somehow managed to come out on top, but the tape was a measure of insurance.
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420Goku
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Yo wait wait... I think it just really dawned on me that there is an edit while Tim's reading. Like I don't think that was the tape, that was definitely Tim himself editing it out. What did he get rid of?

FUCK this all just got more complicated for me. Hoody had been calling Tim a liar and everything before. What does he not want us to see on this tape?

ughhh what's going on

and wassupbro - I feel pretty sure that's supposed to be the same writing. Seems WAY too byzantine to try to make it a little different on purpose to make it look like someone redrew it when OOG it really is just that they redrew it.

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Here's my two cents on things up to this point (I mentioned this in the Hub):

- Tim is the reason the Operator has been brought to everyone
- Brian, being Tim's BFF, would defend Tim and attempt to deflect things onto Alex who's been affected by TO.
- It seems that being "possessed" the Operator, might be transferable by camera -- hence the screen tear at 6:22 -- that WAS the transfer of TO from Tim to Alex
- Alex may have made some sort of a bargain to make TO leave him alone; however Brihoody and Timasky aren't pleased with this
- Maybe in a future entry we'll see some sort of early on showdown; creation of the Twins etc etc and things calm down for a bit...except TO is back on Alex, just in the background albeit not aggressively.
- Jay's derpy little self is just trying to figure out wtf is going on and in turning on the camera/tapes...he starts this shit all over again (loop of unhappiness)
- This explains Masky and Hoody trying to stop Jay from investigating

In trying to get answers, Jay did in fact make everything worse.

They all think mentioning TO is what brings him around when it's the filming. TO makes everyone paranoid to they keep filming, thus keeping him around. He feeds off it. That might explain 65 and 83...they're the memories that TO has "consumed" and torments his victims with the fact that HE has them and they don't. That's he's in their head.

/end rambles

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420Goku wrote:
Yo wait wait... I think it just really dawned on me that there is an edit while Tim's reading. Like I don't think that was the tape, that was definitely Tim himself editing it out. What did he get rid of?


And there's also the fact that Tim compiled Entry #84 from the tape he got from Hoody (which itself is a compilation of footage) and from two cameras. Not that that's anything new, but that's something to heighten suspicion.

But it's also a reason not to misread the purported reveal of the tape. It's apparent that Tim didn't just watch this tape and then post it right to YouTube. He wasn't livestreaming it either. So there's no reason to think that Tim just watched this once, saw the hoodie on Brian, thought "Goddamn!"

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420Goku wrote:
Yo wait wait... I think it just really dawned on me that there is an edit while Tim's reading. Like I don't think that was the tape, that was definitely Tim himself editing it out. What did he get rid of?

FUCK this all just got more complicated for me. Hoody had been calling Tim a liar and everything before. What does he not want us to see on this tape?


I took that as more of a "let's just edit out the bit about Tim sitting there reading the script for a few minutes" instead of removing something crucial to the story.

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knightmare wrote:
420Goku wrote:
Yo wait wait... I think it just really dawned on me that there is an edit while Tim's reading. Like I don't think that was the tape, that was definitely Tim himself editing it out. What did he get rid of?

FUCK this all just got more complicated for me. Hoody had been calling Tim a liar and everything before. What does he not want us to see on this tape?


I took that as more of a "let's just edit out the bit about Tim sitting there reading the script for a few minutes" instead of removing something crucial to the story.


Could be, but if Tim (like Jay and apparently Alex) doesn't present the entry in full to us, we'll never know, will we?

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Ascalondion wrote:
Also: He states that he "had no way of knowing it was Brian who fell from that window." So he did not see his face.


Yep, you're right, that's my mistake.

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bennjm
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Let's not forget this picture posted on facebook. Could be MH or THAC, but it is possible that it's the next entry.

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lonsumtravlr
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Geneaux486 wrote:
Ascalondion wrote:
Also: He states that he "had no way of knowing it was Brian who fell from that window." So he did not see his face.


Yep, you're right, that's my mistake.


I forgot that too. Damn, I'm bad at this.

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lonsumtravlr wrote:

All of the characters in MH seem to be stuck in the aftermath of some traumatic event (yes, I know the obvious, but I needed an opening sentence). Brian, Alex (if it's believed that he was carrying around Amy's pic to remind himself of her, whether he "offered" her to TO or not), and Tim (with the hospital) are the only ones who have anything resembling a solid connection to their pre-(IG) MH and TO encounter lives. Jay said in Entry #75 that he couldn't remember anything he was doing other than living in the "crappy apartment" that was burned down. Jessica couldn't remember how to get to her house and was "losing huge chunks of time." Whatever happened to Brian during the filming (and most likely in Entry #51) really worked him over, changed him.

One thing I noticed about this latest entry--and this is on watching it again--is that it gives a clue to the nature of Brian and Tim's friendship. Tim really had no friends or family before meeting Brian at school--neglect and even abuse are hinted at. Brian seems like something between a big brother or cousin and a surrogate father or uncle. There's a bit of dominance (if not domination) in the way he talks to Tim, conveys Alex's offer of an audition, and extends the offer of dinner to Alex; all through Brian's audition Tim shuffles outside as if he's a little kid following his dad to the hardware store or his mom to the mall (apologies for the statically gendered stereotypes there, but what the fuck?), and he says good-bye to Alex in the same way (no handshake--that's for grown-ups--and he's very shy).

It seems that there's a hint of what (assuming that Brian really was Hoody) could develop from a dominant to a domineering position of power over Tim (especially when he became Masky). Still not one-hundred-percent corroboration, but it's looking stronger. (Maybe Brian realized that too? Dunno.)


I have to agree with your vision on Brian's and Tim's relationship. I think it is easy to take a protective atitude towards someone like Tim and starting taking control over him progressively and that being reflected in their relationship as Hoody and Masky.
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MariahTedder wrote:
they're the memories that TO has "consumed" and torments his victims with the fact that HE has them and they don't. That's he's in their head.


I was gonna say bullshit but this kind of explains a few things, like why we could see the hospital on fire in #83, TO was recreating Tim's memories

Also, about Brian defending Tim, anyone remebers Advocate?

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Oh man, in that facebook picture Tim has no sideburns, indicating this the encounter of Alex, Tim, and Brian was filmed recently. Brian also looks much older, so I was leaning towards thinking that as well.

I definitely think this was the first OP capture by Alex, and that it was because of his interaction with Tim. I also agree with the way this developed the relationship between Tim and Brian, with the latter being more dominant and that being exaggerated later.
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