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Gante
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So the question is, how did kindly, laughing Brian become raging, manipulative Totheark? My theory is that Brian had a rather sheltered upbringing. In his experience, the world was a safe and predictable place. Everything had an explanation, every problem had a solution. Then comes a Thing that should not exist, a Thing so wrong that its very presence damages body and mind, which attacks and tortures him for no reason he can understand. It blows his entire worldview out of the water. Suddenly the world is an ugly, evil place. Unlike Tim, he has no defences. He tries to imitate Tim's mechanism of withdrawing into a masky state, and apparently succeeds. But what he does in this state is play bizarre head games that give him a feeling of being in control. And he savagely hates Alex, whom he blames for the loss of his innocence.

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Gante wrote:
So the question is, how did kindly, laughing Brian become raging, manipulative Totheark? My theory is that Brian had a rather sheltered upbringing. In his experience, the world was a safe and predictable place. Everything had an explanation, every problem had a solution. Then comes a Thing that should not exist, a Thing so wrong that its very presence damages body and mind, which attacks and tortures him for no reason he can understand. It blows his entire worldview out of the water. Suddenly the world is an ugly, evil place. Unlike Tim, he has no defences. He tries to imitate Tim's mechanism of withdrawing into a masky state, and apparently succeeds. But what he does in this state is play bizarre head games that give him a feeling of being in control. And he savagely hates Alex, whom he blames for the loss of his innocence.


Possible, though we don't really have a way of knowing any of that (at least yet).

Couldn't it just be... trauma? As you said, TO "blows his entire worldview out of the water." Something bad happened to the entire MH crew. Tim may have been "tainted" by being marked early, but it still seems that Alex became utterly dangerous. TO stalks all of them, many seem to go missing, and apparently those who survive are not only repeatedly stalked but also somehow assaulted or maybe even abducted and then have their memories wiped. Jay stumbles into this (again) when he finds the tapes and commences his investigation. Somehow Brian was able to hold onto a little more awareness than the others (I guess, except for Alex). That can't be the kind of awareness that contributes to a clean bill of mental health.

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SilentMedusa wrote:
Something that tugged my heartstrings just a little: Tim informs us that the chestcam has completely stopped working, so he'll have to use Jay's camera from now on. The symbolism of Tim carrying on in Jay's stead using his fallen friend's own camera got to me. Just like the symbolism of Jay's camera being left behind when The Operator finally took him.


This entry's notable for its poignancy, yes.

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ledzepfilm wrote:
We can't make big obscure theories that Brian isn't Hoody. Trosephim obviously made him wear it for a reason.

Agreed. From a creator's perspective, to have a character make a huge revalation that makes complete sense and then turn it completely around in the next episode makes absolutely no sense, and would be quite stupid.
This DOES make sense. It's called a red herring. When they point all the evidence at one thing only for it to be another. I'm not sayin they did, but it gets done a LOT.

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Red herrings have to be well executed, though. Unless they justify why a character other than Brian would ever bother carrying this tape on their person, among other things, making this a well-executed red herring is pretty much impossible.

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paladin181 wrote:
MDHDZN wrote:
ledzepfilm wrote:
We can't make big obscure theories that Brian isn't Hoody. Trosephim obviously made him wear it for a reason.

Agreed. From a creator's perspective, to have a character make a huge revalation that makes complete sense and then turn it completely around in the next episode makes absolutely no sense, and would be quite stupid.
This DOES make sense. It's called a red herring. When they point all the evidence at one thing only for it to be another. I'm not sayin they did, but it gets done a LOT.


This late in the series? There's no more time for the Hoody mystery. If they injected a red herring earlier, then sure, that would work.
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Alright, so this is what I don't quite get: some people here aren't convinced that this was the Hoody reveal. Let's think about this, shall we? The most likely candidate since Entry 51 has been Brian. Entry 51 gives him a motive. We also know that Alex did the same thing to Tim in Entry 56 as he did Brian in 51, which may have helped develop their Masky and Hoody personas. During Entry 45, we see that Hoody is working with Masky to take down Alex (for revenge, perhaps?) We also know that Brian and Tim have been buddies from before Alex started filming. All of this coupled with the most recent entry is all the evidence that we need. After all, with being so very near to the end, there aren't any other reasonable candidates. Brian = Hoody confirmed. Goodnight guys. I'll hear what you have to say tomorrow.
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I would also like to point out that we know it's confirmed because Tim points out the hoody Brian is wearing is the same as the one worn by the character we call Hoody. The last time we had a confirmation like this was when Jay had to confirm that it was, indeed, a pipe that Alex beat the shit out of Tim with; and he did it by pointing out it was a pipe.

If the current main protagonist points it out, you can bet it's supposed to be meant as beyond a shadow of doubt confirmation.

We shouldn't even be arguing over this. The narrative is very clear in its intent.

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Goodnight guys. I'll hear what you have to say tomorrow.


Wait! Don't go! We haven't got this settled!

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There are others who hold the same views as me. Settle it with them; I'm sleepy.
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Pretty sure you were being mocked.

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I'll add in my two cents I suppose. I've made the mistake of thinking stated information might not be true. I totally didn't think Milo from TT was Mr Scars, even though Noah said he was pretty sure because Milo cut himself.

So yeah, I understand wanting more twist, but even before this reveal I found more and more of the series hinting at Hoody being Brian. I think there are much more important questions to ask, like whose house Alex was outside of at the end of that tape.


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Couldn't tell; too sleepy.
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I always thought Brian was hoody since I saw him running with a hoodie in the Marble Hornets trailer, it's kind of a hint to me

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twistedpuppet wrote:
If the current main protagonist points it out, you can bet it's supposed to be meant as beyond a shadow of doubt confirmation.

This.
And yes, there are red herrings and stuff and in a series like this they certainly could get away with revealing something like that when our only source is a semi-reliable IG character. But that's not a good mentality to keep, because then almost nothing can be considered truly confirmed.

In cases like this, we are clearly meant to think Brian is Hoody, and be surprised if he's not. So it's best to assume he's Hoody until proven otherwise or at least given a more substantial reason to doubt it, is my policy when they make their intended reaction so blatant.

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Pawn
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What I'd like to know is what was Tim staring at through the door-window.

Also, I hope we receive a few videos from Brian that document his transformation into the persona known as Hoody. Right now all we know is Alex lured Brian into a trap, Brian somehow survived it, something happened to his mind and then he became the being known as Hoody, plotting revenge against Alex while keeping his identity unknown for reasons that are also unknown.

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