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Smoking_Gnu
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Craig Digsby wrote:
Now that Hoody's identity has been revealed, will we ever see him unmasked? Personally, I hope not. I think the Brian from the present is not the same Brian we once knew. He's a different person - he's gone down the same route as Alex and Jay. He isn't Brian anymore. He's Hoody. So when we see him wearing the mask, it's not Brian we're looking at, but a shell of what he once was. We've always seen Hoody as this half benevolent half malevolent force, so taking off the mask would kind of ruin that image. It's for this reason his face is never shown when the mask comes off - that's no longer Brian anymore.

I don't know if this makes any sense, but it's my personal look at this character.
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Agreed. "Better left to the imagination" works much better in this case.

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Smoking_Gnu wrote:
Craig Digsby wrote:
Now that Hoody's identity has been revealed, will we ever see him unmasked? Personally, I hope not. I think the Brian from the present is not the same Brian we once knew. He's a different person - he's gone down the same route as Alex and Jay. He isn't Brian anymore. He's Hoody. So when we see him wearing the mask, it's not Brian we're looking at, but a shell of what he once was. We've always seen Hoody as this half benevolent half malevolent force, so taking off the mask would kind of ruin that image. It's for this reason his face is never shown when the mask comes off - that's no longer Brian anymore.

I don't know if this makes any sense, but it's my personal look at this character.
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Agreed. "Better left to the imagination" works much better in this case.


I think it makes zero sense that Brian wouldn't unmask him from a realistic standpoint but it's very much in keeping with the MH theme of never being 100% sure of anything.

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Craig Digsby wrote:
Now that Hoody's identity has been revealed, will we ever see him unmasked? Personally, I hope not. I think the Brian from the present is not the same Brian we once knew. He's a different person - he's gone down the same route as Alex and Jay. He isn't Brian anymore. He's Hoody. So when we see him wearing the mask, it's not Brian we're looking at, but a shell of what he once was. We've always seen Hoody as this half benevolent half malevolent force, so taking off the mask would kind of ruin that image. It's for this reason his face is never shown when the mask comes off - that's no longer Brian anymore.

I don't know if this makes any sense, but it's my personal look at this character.


I personally think we could see him unmasked, but that same reasoning is related to why I didn't want present-day-Hoody to ever talk. Because having him talk like he does in the TTA videos would just be cheesy and weird, and having him talk normally would just undermine the creepiness of the TTA video. So I figured, while flashbacks could be used to show how he became Hoody, he'd be most effective in the present if he never said a word and it was left to our imagination as to what's going on in his mind now.

That said, I feel like that could be enhanced by doing so in combination with having him moving around unmasked. Because if it's done right, you could really get across the "it's not the same Brian anymore" while also getting across the fact that this is the guy who once was Brian. Like, it'd be Brian's face, but he's not smiling like he usually does in flashbacks- his face is just frozen in either a deathglare or a completely blank, emotionless mode, and between that, his lack of speech, and his mannerisms and actions, everything about him should just completely contrast what he was like as Brian.

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Disregard this if I'm jumping the gun, but I think we will have to see Brian as hoody unmasked to get his motif. If they are going to let us know the motif unless Alex or Tim tells us.

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I want to know how the hell Brian is behind all of this. Even though it's logical that he's Hoody, why Brian?
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ledzepfilm wrote:
I want to know how the hell Brian is behind all of this. Even though it's logical that he's Hoody, why Brian?


My guess is that he and Jay were the only survivors of Alex's attempts to take out the MH crew (makes me wonder what happened to Tim--maybe he was institutionalized again or was abducted again?), and where Jay had partial amnesia, Brian found out and sought revenge.

Someone on Reddit (I believe) compared Brian to Ahab in Moby Dick, and I've referenced that a few times. A person whose loss is so traumatic that he becomes fixated upon justice at all costs. That's what TTA/Hoody/Brian has seemed like through all this.

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So this means they did go with the most obvious candidate and still acted like it was worth treating like a big mystery with all the teases. Fine.

And it also means Brian, who at no point was ever implied to have knowledge of hacking, high-end video editing skills or a good enough knowledge of Jessica to know she'd use 1102 as a password/combination, just conveniently has all those skills or apparently being attacked by The Operator means he is therefore so good at stalking he can just flawlessly follow everyone everywhere and hear everything they ever say. Fine as well.

I've always held to that there was a very interesting thing they could do with the reveal of Brian being Hoody. Tim's reaction. His best friend from those days, turning out to be the one to have done all of Hoody's cruel actions? What kind of feelings of anger and betrayal would Tim show? What would he say to Brian, face-to-face, learning everything he did?

But no. All he we get is outro text from Tim's indirect "unmasking" of Brian and he pretty much instantly acknowledges it as a tragedy that his friend is dead because of Alex. Yes because that's a human thing to do in regards to a guy who after supposedly being your friend, stole your pills and revealed your secrets in order to manipulate you and indirectly caused the possible deaths of Jay and Jessica through his arrogant and manipulative behaviour.

And that is my problem with this entry. Far more than just the fact that Brian is Hoody. Because if at least we got an interesting reaction from Tim, that would be the one advantage to Brian being Hoody. They somehow managed to squander that and now this entry is the worst in the series.

I'm not angry though. Not even really disappointed, since I did acknowledge the strong possibility of Brian being Hoody and they've shown they're good at squandering great opportunities before with entries like #74 and #76. I was just kind of... "okay, so they did fuck it up. Time to go do something else." It's gotten to the point I don't care that much any more, it is looking like they want to fuck up as much as possible in the final entries and that's just the way it's going to be.

On a lighter note, there are little good points about this entry. Brian was entertaining as always. Alex's mannerisms were amusing as well (tragic in hindsight too). And that Operator appearance... one of the best in the series. Subtle yet with huge implications. He was there, unclear but at the same time clearly there and watching creepily. The way The Operator is meant to be, instead of just "BLARGH LOOK AT ME I'M IN YOUR FACE."

CraicIsMighty wrote:
Wow this entry is garbage.

"Herp derp Brian is Hoodie because he wore a tan hoodie that one time and there's no way anyone else in the entire world could have a tan hoodie HURR HURR"


I don't think it would have been so bad as a sort-of-well-actually-not-really-at-all subtle little confirmation to fans that Brian is Hoody but having Tim take it as confirmation and Hoody himself decide it was the best confirmation he could give is... hard to swallow.

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If it was old, they made us wait 2-3 weeks for really nothing.


Actually well over 3 weeks. Only 5 days short of a month. They did imply on the podcast they hadn't done much work on the entry and that was like 3 weeks after 83. Maybe the tape's contents were shot but not edited in advance and the meat of their work was the present day footage and the editing. I mean we did wait over 2 weeks for Entry #78.

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TheOperator wrote:

And it also means Brian, who at no point was ever implied to have knowledge of hacking, high-end video editing skills or a good enough knowledge of Jessica to know she'd use 1102 as a password/combination, just conveniently has all those skills or apparently being attacked by The Operator means he is therefore so good at stalking he can just flawlessly follow everyone everywhere and hear everything they ever say. Fine as well.


I don't think anything really needed to be implied; it's not unreasonable to assume a college student interested in film/acting has video editing skills. And if he's been doingnothing else but living this nomadic existence for six years, he's likely gotten pretty good at moving about unseen.

TheOperator wrote:

I've always held to that there was a very interesting thing they could do with the reveal of Brian being Hoody. Tim's reaction. His best friend from those days, turning out to be the one to have done all of Hoody's cruel actions? What kind of feelings of anger and betrayal would Tim show? What would he say to Brian, face-to-face, learning everything he did?

But no. All he we get is outro text from Tim's indirect "unmasking" of Brian and he pretty much instantly acknowledges it as a tragedy that his friend is dead because of Alex. Yes because that's a human thing to do in regards to a guy who after supposedly being your friend, stole your pills and revealed your secrets in order to manipulate you and indirectly caused the possible deaths of Jay and Jessica through his arrogant and manipulative behaviour.

And that is my problem with this entry. Far more than just the fact that Brian is Hoody. Because if at least we got an interesting reaction from Tim, that would be the one advantage to Brian being Hoody. They somehow managed to squander that and now this entry is the worst in the series.


Hard to decide how I feel about this. On one hand, I could see the lack of a significant reaction as a let-down, but...Tim's MO through the entire series has been hiding his emotions and actions. Plus, after a horrible, abusive childhood, the betrayal and death of a friend may not have that great of an effect on him - another drop in the bucket, so to speak. I normally try to avoid coming up with theories to excuse potential snags in the script, but this actually makes a fair bit of sense to me. It's a tough call.

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Smoking_Gnu wrote:
I don't think anything really needed to be implied; it's not unreasonable to assume a college student interested in film/acting has video editing skills. And if he's been doingnothing else but living this nomadic existence for six years, he's likely gotten pretty good at moving about unseen.


He was only shown to have experience acting. Not video editing. Seth at least was mentioned to be helping Alex go over the footage. It wouldn't have been hard to drop in a line like that for Brian. That also doesn't explain how he can flawlessly hack into Jay's account over and over again, even when they're in completely different areas that are many miles apart.

Hoody isn't just good at sneaking. He puts a damn ninja to shame. Getting that safe combination was ridiculous. Having access to footage of Alex as a kid was ridiculous. Getting away from Jay/Alex/Tim nine times before finally being cornered in 83 was ridiculous. And it's looking like the only explanation we'll ever have for these is "he's good at sneaking." That's lazy writing, imo. Masky and Alex were used to that style of living as well but they never seemed as flawless as Hoody. In fact they often slipped up. But Hoody has to be the one to give them all the answers, so he gets plot armour.

Smoking_Gnu wrote:
Hard to decide how I feel about this. On one hand, I could see the lack of a significant reaction as a let-down, but...Tim's MO through the entire series has been hiding his emotions and actions. Plus, after a horrible, abusive childhood, the betrayal and death of a friend may not have that great of an effect on him - another drop in the bucket, so to speak. I normally try to avoid coming up with theories to excuse potential snags in the script, but this actually makes a fair bit of sense to me. It's a tough call.


Entry #59, Entry #66, Entry #72, Entry #80, Entry #83 all entries where Tim shows great distress in the present day and in the latter three cases, it was on behalf of Jay, his friend. We can also infer from his outro text in #84 that he was angry at Alex for causing his old friend to die. Otherwise he wouldn't have brought up that Brian was his friend and that Alex was responsible. What's weird is that he seems to feel sorry for Brian and angry at Alex, rather than express any anger towards Brian. If he really didn't give a crap about the revelation of what happened to Brian, then that would in fact contradict what we've seen of Tim's character in the aforementioned entries.

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In fairness, we might see Tim's reactions in subsequent entries. It IS pretty realistic that he wouldn't want to tape his initial reaction & put it out for all of the world to see. And he would say as little about it in text as possible.

I have nothing to say about all of the Brian stuff. You are completely right. Even if we don't talk about quality, & just purely analyze the facts, there's no explanation for how he learned to do any of the stuff that he does.

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Lithp wrote:
In fairness, we might see Tim's reactions in subsequent entries. It IS pretty realistic that he wouldn't want to tape his initial reaction & put it out for all of the world to see. And he would say as little about it in text as possible.

I have nothing to say about all of the Brian stuff. You are completely right. Even if we don't talk about quality, & just purely analyze the facts, there's no explanation yet for how he learned to do any of the stuff that he does.


Fixed.

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Lithp wrote:
In fairness, we might see Tim's reactions in subsequent entries. It IS pretty realistic that he wouldn't want to tape his initial reaction & put it out for all of the world to see. And he would say as little about it in text as possible.

I have nothing to say about all of the Brian stuff. You are completely right. Even if we don't talk about quality, & just purely analyze the facts, there's no explanation for how he learned to do any of the stuff that he does.


That is a strength a present-day reveal would have had. Tim would've had to show his reaction there, lest he have everyone think he's a liar for mysteriously cutting the tape. His reaction will probably be less interesting if it's not initial, as well as not face-to-face. Also increasingly doubtful that it will even happen, since they've revealed Hoody on a tape, we probably won't see Hoody unmasked and talking in present day. Since if we do, why even reveal it on a tape first.

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Fixed.


With how few entries seem to be left, I don't think so. Possible but doubtful. There's too much to account for. It would have made more sense to offer explanations in entries before this one. Brian does fit in terms of having a motive and being fixated on Tim and the hospital. But he also weirdly does things that only other characters would have reason to be able to do, characters such as Seth and Amy. But this late in, it's pretty safe to say that Hoody was working alone, other than the occasional help from Masky. The mystery of totheark seems doomed to have an unsatisfactory conclusion.

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I was clearly speaking in the present tense.

I think that watching Tim's facade slowly crack could be more interesting than if he just went, "BRIAN!? IT CAN'T BE! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! NOOOOOOOO!" but that depends on whether or not they even go that route.

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Watching this entry makes me sad. Seeing Alex so young, carefree, and naive. The only worry in his little world is people not showing up to audition for your student film (which totally happens XD). He's trying to be cool. He walks like a dork. He's red faced and lacks facial hair. Full of life.

Fast forward a few years and he's killed a man with a rock, his another with a lead pipe, lead numbers to their demise, and shot his friend. Just thinking of the trauma that had to happen to a human being to get him from point A to point B kind of reignites the shivers of the operator. I think everyone agrees he's no longer as scary (as much) now that we're "desensitized". But seeing what he did to Alex, Tim, Jay, and Hoody is very sobering and a little frightening.

Enough of that. My theory regarding all of this. Tim is the only one with DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder or what people are calling a "masky state"), that he developed as a child to cope with The Operator (Masky is his big brother of sorts. Is strong against TO when he can't be). Oppy used Tim (not Masky) to do a number of things (remember a certain fire in a certain hospital?), but after a while, Tim started "getting better". Friends, pills, counseling, and even Masky were effective in keeping TO influence at bay. TO needed someone new. This Entry was TO finding that someone. Someone fresh. Someone "untainted". Alex shoots MH. Things go downhill. Alex is still TO's pawn. Every time we were seeing Masky, he wasn't under Oppy's influence, but just suffering the side effects of everything he'd been through.

By the time Jay rolled around, Alex had already hit Tim with a lead pipe, and Tim had seen TO a number of times via Alex. Now, Tim is the only one able to stand up against TO, in part because he's dealt with him for so long. Whereas Masky was his "big brother protector" against the horror before, now (as evidenced when he stood up to him for Jay), Tim can do it on his own. He doesn't need Masky anymore. Hoodie (assuming he's Brian), can more or less control Masky using his anti-Operator sentiments (the reason he was born) to do things via slight manipulation. Getting him to do the leg work for kidnapping Jessica, etc. He wanted Tim to go back. Masky is more of a fighter than Tim, or at least Hoody thought so. Not anymore. Tim is a fighter. It's showdown time. He's waiting for Alex. Tim is the only one that can stand against the operator.

TL;DR: Alex fell, Jay fell, and even Brian fell. Tim fell for a time, but he was the only one who picked himself up in this battle against TO. He can do this. GO TIM! ^__^

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TheOperator wrote:
I'm not angry though. Not even really disappointed, since I did acknowledge the strong possibility of Brian being Hoody and they've shown they're good at squandering great opportunities before with entries like #74 and #76. I was just kind of... "okay, so they did fuck it up. Time to go do something else." It's gotten to the point I don't care that much any more, it is looking like they want to fuck up as much as possible in the final entries and that's just the way it's going to be.


I'm just curious, even though this might not be the most appropriate forum, but why do you see Entry #74 as a "fuck up"? Entry #76 I certainly agree with you, as it seems poorly made all around and like an idea that probably seemed better before it was actually written out and filmed.

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