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Season 1 TTA Theory
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Avrielle_Aniko
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 		Season 1 TTA Theory
I was writing a reply in the Unanswered Questions thread and, while typing away in my own little world, I managed to hit upon a theory and figured it may benefit being in its own thread. Apologies if this theory has been mentioned before, but I haven't read this particular theory crop up in my reading. Also, feel free to pick it apart and throw it at me if it is complete nonsense.

One of the questions I have always had is who gave the "anonymous tip" to Jay over where Brian could be found in Entry 16? It is likely more mundane than I think, but it has just never seemed like Marble Hornets style to have anonymous tip-offs from outsiders. In fact, MH has always seemed to be pretty careful to keep their IG universe separate from the RL fandom - which is why I find it hard to believe that just some random guy who knows Brian would have tipped Jay off about his whereabouts just from happening to chance upon the YouTube series. Also, I don't buy that it was Masky due to Masky's lack of voice, and his unique style of messages would likely have been something noteworthy - at least on Jay's Twitter.

I'd love to have some answers on some TTA vids and who made/uploaded them and who they are addressed to. Particularly in S1. Some TTA videos seem to be from Masky, such as 'Signal', "[...]Go upstairs to your room. I will surround your bed. Close the windows, so that none will ever again be able to enter. I will be waiting for you." A promise that was fulfilled in Entry 19. 'Messages' also seems to be related to Entry 19, and, while Hoody always accused Tim of being a "Liar", it seems to me that the "Tell us you have been keeping secrets" in 'Messages' was perhaps aimed at Jay in order to show the footage in Entry 19. 'Addition' was quite likely Masky too, considering his location in Entry 18.

'Advocate' was a video that kinda bugged me though. Who is it from and to? It shows footage of Brian, and says "Flee now". It is also after Entry 15, which was Tim's interview with Jay. I had assumed that Brian (as Hoody/TTA) was telling Tim to "Flee now" before he got any more re-involved with Jay and Marble Hornets. But then I thought that perhaps Masky – now being aware that Jay was digging around – was telling Brian to "Flee now". But then I thought about it again, along with the title, 'Advocate', and I wonder if maybe it was Brian warning JAY to "Flee now" from Tim...

The "Tell us" in 'Messages' and "Return to us" in 'Attention' strongly suggests that TTA consists more than just Masky or Hoody alone. It is quite likely that it is both of them together, but if that is the case, then who are the videos aimed at? It seems common for people to believe that 'Attention' was from Hoody to Masky, asking him to "Return", but if that is the case, then who else makes up the 'us'? The thought I have always had is that Jay had his own 'masky' persona and it was hidden so well we just never saw it, and Jay may not have been at all aware of it. I also questioned whether this was how TTA managed to hack into his account on those occasions, and perhaps also how Hoody always seemed to know where he was. It is clear now that Bri/Hoody took advantage of Tim/Masky, if even only for stealing his tablets, what is to say that he didn't take advantage of Jay and is possible alter-ego too?

But what if (and I'm really stretching on a limb here) Hoody and Jay was who originally made up TTA in Season 1 at least? During this time, Masky may have been AWOL from TTA, yet was still managing to upload videos and Bri/Hoody was looking for him, using Jay to find Tim and bring him back to Bri/Hoody. Perhaps this could have been why Masky was so aggressive towards Jay?

This now brings me back to my original question of who gave Jay the anonymous tip on where to find Brian? I originally said that I doubted Masky as a suspect, but now that I think harder on it, what if 'Advocate' was Brain/Hoody telling Jay to flee Tim, Tim/Masky then sees this, knowing Brian/Hoody was looking for him through Jay and then lures Jay to the house where Tim/Masky then attacks him to attempt to take him out the picture? Also, what if, because that attempt failed, he then took Jay to visit TO in Entry 19 and 'Return' in hope of TO doing the work for him, but TO had other ideas. 'Admission' could have been another lure to the house by Masky and Entry 23 results in another Oppy Encounter, this time in the basement

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which I question if it was an early version of 'the place with no light' before they were told they couldn't use it any more.


but once again, TO's motives are different to Masky's. The TTA video 'Warning' tells Jay to "Stay Home" and "Be Alone" and then Entry 24 follows, which seems to me like another attempt by Masky to do something similar to Jay as he did in 'Signal' and Entry 19. 'Entry ######' comes after that and, through this theory, it would seem possible that this is Bri/Hoody finally having enough information through Jay to know where Masky is and "will wait for [him] no more" and is "coming for [him]". Therefore, Tim would be the one to lead Bri/Hoody to the Ark – which makes much more sense to me than Jay leading him... Jay is no longer needed for that time. After that, we don't see or hear from TTA until Entry 33 where Masky and Hoody are working together (although we don't actually find out they were working together in that Entry until Entry 76). Also, we have no word from TTA's channel until 'Fragments' which was uploaded nearly a year after 'Entry ######'. I'd like to know what Masky and Hoody were up to once they reunited.

Would love to hear other people's opinions on this.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:49 pm
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 		Interesting! I especially like the idea of Brian telling jay to flee. It makes some sense, as Brian doesn't want to bring in people to this curse. Also, nice observation with the Signal dialogue!

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 		I think, OOG, the creators might not even know how to reconcile some of that stuff with where the series and characters ended up. Still, it's nice to be able to figure out the significance of it all.

You said that you doubted the anonymous tip was Masky, but it didn't necessarily have to be vocal. Maybe just a messsage to the MH youtube account.

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Avrielle_Aniko
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The Spirit of Christmas wrote:
I think, OOG, the creators might not even know how to reconcile some of that stuff with where the series and characters ended up. Still, it's nice to be able to figure out the significance of it all.

You said that you doubted the anonymous tip was Masky, but it didn't necessarily have to be vocal. Maybe just a messsage to the MH youtube account.


It's true that Trosephim can't answer all our burning questions, but I still think it could be important to work out the characters motives, even if OOG they decided to take a completely different route (especially S1 compared to the rest). If nothing else, it could help us to understand each character more? Of course, that isn't essential, but I take some fun in trying to figure some of the stuff out in this series.

As for Masky's tip-off, of course he could just leave a message or something somewhere for Jay, but I feel that it might have been something more notable to Jay - if only because Masky just doesn't seem to be that mundane.

In an OOG context though, if it was something rather notable to the storyline - at least to this section of the story - then the tip-off might have been made more notable. OOG they would have likely have had Jay update his Twitter account, even if it was just to say the same thing as he did in the Entry ("I recieved an anonymous tip about where I could find Brian") just to reinforce the fact that it could be relevent.

So in those two paragraphs, I may have debunked myself with the anonymous tip theory. But then again, maybe not? After all, they felt it important enough to say it was an anonymous tip, rather than Jay just remembering and going to Brians old address (because it seems pretty likely that it was the same place he was living during the MH production), or just pulling the address out of the Phone Book...

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 		Don't want to be ''that guy'' but back when they were filming S1 they didn't plan to make any other seasons, there are plenty of things from S1 that were not brought in later entries.

Skully for example (This is obviously a Hoody foreshadowing but still it makes people think that this is a separate character for some reason)

Entry ##### had a theme that was never brought back wich suggested that TTA consisted of more than 2+ people

Brian being Tim's childhood friend and he apparently didn't get in contact with TO

The way cameras worked back in S1 because i swear the final entry in S1 wanted to suggest that TO can see through them

If Tim had this ''sickness'' since he was a kid and had his pills since then to treat himself then how come Masky exists in the first place?

The inconsistency of the characters actions toward eachother, because first Masky seems to be a villain, then helps Jay but then wants to kill him again? Alex is a victim, then he gets rid of everyone but not really, then he is a victim again then he is the villain?

Alex's affinity with TO, i don't get what makes him so special over everyone, especially Tim that already seems to have met TO in his past

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Avrielle_Aniko
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Don't want to be ''that guy'' but back when they were filming S1 they didn't plan to make any other seasons, there are plenty of things from S1 that were not brought in later entries.


I remember hearing somewhere (I don't remember where, possibly the interview on YT) that they had planned to end it on Entry 16 and it would have consisted of Jay driving down the road with the Operator appearing in front of him. I had assumed that before that point they had sat down and given some thought in to the plot and would have had a rough sketchy idea of what the series was to become. Not saying they had even a storyboard by this point, but had a rough idea of what characters they would introduce, ie - Hoody + Masky. They may have even thrown that initial story idea away by Season 2, but I still find it kind of interesting as to what they had in mind in S1.

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Skully for example (This is obviously a Hoody foreshadowing but still it makes people think that this is a separate character for some reason)


So many times while lurking these forums have I wanted to step in and point out that Skully is not as important as everyone makes it out to be. Yes it is a mask. But if this was the original concept of Hoody, then why was it in that entry with Amy wielding the camera. With the knowledge we have thanks to Entry 86, is it not now far more likely that Skully was just a foreshadowing of Amy's death? Entry 26 was the last time, chronologically, that we ever saw or heard from Amy. If you look closely at Skully, you can see that there is blonde hair behind the mask, and also the image is what looks to be the reflection in the mirror that Amy was filming, albiet a weird shot with the camera not being visable. To me, all this says is that Amy was about to meet her maker... Amy thinks all is normal, she films stuff, catches her own reflection and through Oppy Distortion (or whatever you would call it) the camera picks up on her own fate - her death. Also, Troshephim were working on a tight budget, so it's possible they chose a cheap mask than working with SFX make-up to make her appear dead or skeleton-y.

Just my view on it.

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Entry ##### had a theme that was never brought back wich suggested that TTA consisted of more than 2+ people


Like I mentioned in the OP (though it probably wasn't so clear) Entry ###### could have been Hoody and Jay (or Jay's alter-ego) that make up the "We" and "Us", and that video is directed to Masky, the same as the "Tell us you have been keeping secrets" in 'Messages' (that is assuming we don't take that to mean Masky wanted Jay to tell us about the survaillence footage that was shown in Entry 19... Messages could equally easily have been Brian sending Tim/Masky a message to come back and was "awaitingyourarrival".) and "Return to us" in 'Attention'. Not saying it is right, just saying it's the way I see it and could be possible.

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Brian being Tim's childhood friend and he apparently didn't get in contact with TO


Not 100% sure what you mean here, since this is hardly a S1 only theme here. Brian and Tim may have been friends, but it doesn't seem that the same can be said when watching the interactions between Hoody and Masky.

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The way cameras worked back in S1 because i swear the final entry in S1 wanted to suggest that TO can see through them


True. Like I said, they would very likely have had ideas that were later scrapped, but when it comes to the TTA videos, it might have shed more light on the relationship between Hoody and Masky. Yes, this theory might be completely useless because the ideas were scrapped afterwards for S2, but they might not have been in this case, and I just thought it might have been something that could elaborate more on the characters relationships with eachother and help to understand the series better.
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If Tim had this ''sickness'' since he was a kid and had his pills since then to treat himself then how come Masky exists in the first place?


That... is a question for the ages.

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The inconsistency of the characters actions toward eachother, because first Masky seems to be a villain, then helps Jay but then wants to kill him again? Alex is a victim, then he gets rid of everyone but not really, then he is a victim again then he is the villain?


Someone mentioned in another thread (can't find it now, sorry) that Masky saved Jay and Jessica from Alex because of Jessica, not Jay. Seems Masky doesn't really care much about Jay, but holds a lot of value in Jessica's safety. This would explain why Masky is all aggressive to Jay, then saves his life (by circumstance), then goes all aggressive again.

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Alex's affinity with TO, i don't get what makes him so special over everyone, especially Tim that already seems to have met TO in his past


Another question for the ages... I cannot say what The Operator's motives are... and we will likely never know. But it does seem that TO's relationship with Alex is different to it's relationship with Tim.

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