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Does Entry #84 confirm Hoody's Identity?

Yes, Hoody is Brian.
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 77%  [ 64 ]
No, it's a misdirect.
10%
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Undecided.
12%
 12%  [ 10 ]

Total Votes : 83
 

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TheJoker
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 		...I'm not sure of your point. The guy in Entry #49 was dead. Things in a white verdana font in MH aren't necessarily always true, but they are always things the creators intend us to believe to be true until we're told otherwise. When a character IG speculates something they can't know for sure, that usually is our sign that they're saying "This is confirmed until further notice, but we don't have a good way of formally confirming it right now."

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Sha Noran
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Yes, 84 is intended to be a confirmation. I bet this will be verbally reconfirmed in dialogue between Alex and Tim, since Alex should certainly know his identity ala 68, unless his memory of it has since been erased.

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TheJoker wrote:
...I'm not sure of your point. The guy in Entry #49 was dead. Things in a white verdana font in MH aren't necessarily always true, but they are always things the creators intend us to believe to be true until we're told otherwise. When a character IG speculates something they can't know for sure, that usually is our sign that they're saying "This is confirmed until further notice, but we don't have a good way of formally confirming it right now."


You're right about the verdana font but my point is that I feel we will be told otherwise in future entries. It'll either be revealed that Brian isn't Hoody (which won't happen I know) or they will elaborate on the origins of Hoody and his roots to Brian. I'm not denying that Brian is Hoody, but it is as another user said "hard to swallow" because it was such a poor way to reveal it. Had Tim unmasked him properly in #83 to be Brian we could have more substantial evidence of him being Hoody. #84 does pretty much confirm it but I'd just prefer to have been told in a better way. But going back to what TheJoker said, yes Brian is confirmed to be Hoody until further notice. Granted I was in the Seth camp for a while I'm cool with it being Brian, it just doesn't click with the editing skills needed to stitch together the TTA videos. People are speculating that Seth could still be working totheark but the channel has been quiet since #83 and we've been given no reason to assume that there was another masked/tainted character involved with that party. I think Skully was a red herring but I'm going off topic.

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Cyan507 wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
...I'm not sure of your point. The guy in Entry #49 was dead. Things in a white verdana font in MH aren't necessarily always true, but they are always things the creators intend us to believe to be true until we're told otherwise. When a character IG speculates something they can't know for sure, that usually is our sign that they're saying "This is confirmed until further notice, but we don't have a good way of formally confirming it right now."


You're right about the verdana font but my point is that I feel we will be told otherwise in future entries. It'll either be revealed that Brian isn't Hoody (which won't happen I know) or they will elaborate on the origins of Hoody and his roots to Brian. I'm not denying that Brian is Hoody, but it is as another user said "hard to swallow" because it was such a poor way to reveal it. Had Tim unmasked him properly in #83 to be Brian we could have more substantial evidence of him being Hoody. #84 does pretty much confirm it but I'd just prefer to have been told in a better way. But going back to what TheJoker said, yes Brian is confirmed to be Hoody until further notice. Granted I was in the Seth camp for a while I'm cool with it being Brian, it just doesn't click with the editing skills needed to stitch together the TTA videos. People are speculating that Seth could still be working totheark but the channel has been quiet since #83 and we've been given no reason to assume that there was another masked/tainted character involved with that party. I think Skully was a red herring but I'm going off topic.


Entry #84 was one of the most true-to-life entries. It's definitely a way that one of us would find out a hidden secret… Indirectly. Most of the time when we find out something we did not know, or were not supposed to know, it is usually told through a story of a friend, social media, a picture, or something else that down't explicitly tell you, "This is what it is," unless its straight up gossip. It's shows more than it tells which is how both literature and film should be done rather than to bluntly tell us, "HEY OVER HERE! BRIAN IS FUCKING HOODY!" I would say that this entry confirms Brian's identity as Hoody as realistically as possible. It made me feel like the series was actually "real" again.

[Almost OT Bias Opinion]
Those complaining and whining about this entry have been reading/watching poorly made books/films/shows that have ruined their taste for what is actually a well done book/film/show. If you guys want answers spilled, your story told to you like an adult reading a children's book, cliche's out the wazoo, and a false sense of realism/immersion then go watch TribeTwelve.

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JAL13 wrote:
Those complaining and whining about this entry have been reading/watching poorly made books/films/shows that have ruined their taste for what is actually a well done book/film/show. If you guys want answers spilled, your story told to you like an adult reading a children's book, cliche's out the wazoo, and a false sense of realism/immersion then go watch TribeTwelve.


I really couldn't get into TribeTwelve. I find it unimaginative and overwrought. Of the Slender-induced series, I really think only Marble Hornets and Everyman HYBRID are worth watching let alone well made.

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JAL13 wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
...I'm not sure of your point. The guy in Entry #49 was dead. Things in a white verdana font in MH aren't necessarily always true, but they are always things the creators intend us to believe to be true until we're told otherwise. When a character IG speculates something they can't know for sure, that usually is our sign that they're saying "This is confirmed until further notice, but we don't have a good way of formally confirming it right now."


You're right about the verdana font but my point is that I feel we will be told otherwise in future entries. It'll either be revealed that Brian isn't Hoody (which won't happen I know) or they will elaborate on the origins of Hoody and his roots to Brian. I'm not denying that Brian is Hoody, but it is as another user said "hard to swallow" because it was such a poor way to reveal it. Had Tim unmasked him properly in #83 to be Brian we could have more substantial evidence of him being Hoody. #84 does pretty much confirm it but I'd just prefer to have been told in a better way. But going back to what TheJoker said, yes Brian is confirmed to be Hoody until further notice. Granted I was in the Seth camp for a while I'm cool with it being Brian, it just doesn't click with the editing skills needed to stitch together the TTA videos. People are speculating that Seth could still be working totheark but the channel has been quiet since #83 and we've been given no reason to assume that there was another masked/tainted character involved with that party. I think Skully was a red herring but I'm going off topic.


Entry #84 was one of the most true-to-life entries. It's definitely a way that one of us would find out a hidden secret… Indirectly. Most of the time when we find out something we did not know, or were not supposed to know, it is usually told through a story of a friend, social media, a picture, or something else that down't explicitly tell you, "This is what it is," unless its straight up gossip. It's shows more than it tells which is how both literature and film should be done rather than to bluntly tell us, "HEY OVER HERE! BRIAN IS FUCKING HOODY!" I would say that this entry confirms Brian's identity as Hoody as realistically as possible. It made me feel like the series was actually "real" again.

[Almost OT Bias Opinion]
Those complaining and whining about this entry have been reading/watching poorly made books/films/shows that have ruined their taste for what is actually a well done book/film/show. If you guys want answers spilled, your story told to you like an adult reading a children's book, cliche's out the wazoo, and a false sense of realism/immersion then go watch TribeTwelve.


[Almost OT incendiary opinion]
I am a bit confused now whether I supposed to like the entry or not.

I complained about the entry. Therefore, I „ have been reading/watching poorly made books/films/shows that have ruined [my] taste for what is actually a well done book/film/show."

But my ruined taste tells me that the way Tim posted this revelation was not very well done because it violates the „Show more than you tell." rule, and is not „as realistically as possible." So my tastes accepts the "Show more than you tell." as a good narrative strategy, and thinks that (in this case) a presentation „as realistically as possible" would have been better. It therefore appreciates "how both literature and film should be done".

So my taste is both ruined AND appreciates "how both literature and film should be done".
Does that mean both literature and film should be done in a ruined way. But if literature and film should be done in a ruined way, than I should have liked the entry, because I complained about it.

So confusing...

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 		TheJoker hit the nail on the head.

Until revealed otherwise in the narrative, we are supposed to believe that Tim thinks that Brian is Hoody. That may remain true for the remainder of the series, or that may change. But right now, Brian = Hoody is a valid statement to make.

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JAL13 wrote:
Cyan507 wrote:
TheJoker wrote:
...I'm not sure of your point. The guy in Entry #49 was dead. Things in a white verdana font in MH aren't necessarily always true, but they are always things the creators intend us to believe to be true until we're told otherwise. When a character IG speculates something they can't know for sure, that usually is our sign that they're saying "This is confirmed until further notice, but we don't have a good way of formally confirming it right now."


You're right about the verdana font but my point is that I feel we will be told otherwise in future entries. It'll either be revealed that Brian isn't Hoody (which won't happen I know) or they will elaborate on the origins of Hoody and his roots to Brian. I'm not denying that Brian is Hoody, but it is as another user said "hard to swallow" because it was such a poor way to reveal it. Had Tim unmasked him properly in #83 to be Brian we could have more substantial evidence of him being Hoody. #84 does pretty much confirm it but I'd just prefer to have been told in a better way. But going back to what TheJoker said, yes Brian is confirmed to be Hoody until further notice. Granted I was in the Seth camp for a while I'm cool with it being Brian, it just doesn't click with the editing skills needed to stitch together the TTA videos. People are speculating that Seth could still be working totheark but the channel has been quiet since #83 and we've been given no reason to assume that there was another masked/tainted character involved with that party. I think Skully was a red herring but I'm going off topic.


Entry #84 was one of the most true-to-life entries. It's definitely a way that one of us would find out a hidden secret… Indirectly. Most of the time when we find out something we did not know, or were not supposed to know, it is usually told through a story of a friend, social media, a picture, or something else that down't explicitly tell you, "This is what it is," unless its straight up gossip. It's shows more than it tells which is how both literature and film should be done rather than to bluntly tell us, "HEY OVER HERE! BRIAN IS FUCKING HOODY!" I would say that this entry confirms Brian's identity as Hoody as realistically as possible. It made me feel like the series was actually "real" again.

[Almost OT Bias Opinion]
Those complaining and whining about this entry have been reading/watching poorly made books/films/shows that have ruined their taste for what is actually a well done book/film/show. If you guys want answers spilled, your story told to you like an adult reading a children's book, cliche's out the wazoo, and a false sense of realism/immersion then go watch TribeTwelve.


This was telling, not showing. Showing would be an unmasking. The thing is, it wouldn't have been so annoying if they hadn't teased us 3 fucking times with an unmasking last entry. It just made this entry, and reveal, feel so lackluster and kinda boring. I got the reveal I wanted, but now I just feel so "meh" about it.
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Beidah wrote:
This was telling, not showing. Showing would be an unmasking. The thing is, it wouldn't have been so annoying if they hadn't teased us 3 fucking times with an unmasking last entry. It just made this entry, and reveal, feel so lackluster and kinda boring. I got the reveal I wanted, but now I just feel so "meh" about it.


I don't know about you, but I thought the first of the three unmaskings in Entry #83 was the cheapest. It really seemed as if Tim had uncovered who it is and was shocked. Then that blue flare. Not enough to wreck the whole series, but it was pretty crappy.

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Zarggg wrote:
TheJoker hit the nail on the head.

Until revealed otherwise in the narrative, we are supposed to believe that Tim thinks that Brian is Hoody. That may remain true for the remainder of the series, or that may change. But right now, Brian = Hoody is a valid statement to make.


I came into this thread to say exactly that.

Brian is Hoody until shown otherwise, and it is entirely possible that otherwise is the actual answer--I am completely open to this; however, at this present moment, we're supposed to know just as much as Tim, even if it's possibly (and purposefully) misguided information.

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 		Since when is "show, don't tell" a rule? These are talkies, honey. We haven't done silent films in almost a century.

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 		Brian is really Hoody but Tim could be Seth wearing a Tim mask since we have no way of confirming he is really Tim.

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gennerx wrote:
Brian is really Hoody but Tim could be Seth wearing a Tim mask since we have no way of confirming he is really Tim.


That might look something like this:



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twistedpuppet wrote:
Since when is "show, don't tell" a rule? These are talkies, honey. We haven't done silent films in almost a century.


The references date it back to at least 1999, but it's probably always been around, in some form or another.

Seriously, read that. Basically no published writer actually believes that the principle is bullshit. The major consensus is unimportant things should be told & important things should be shown.

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Lithp wrote:
twistedpuppet wrote:
Since when is "show, don't tell" a rule? These are talkies, honey. We haven't done silent films in almost a century.


The references date it back to at least 1999, but it's probably always been around, in some form or another.

Seriously, read that. Basically no published writer actually believes that the principle is bullshit. The major consensus is unimportant things should be told & important things should be shown.


Exactly. It's a question of whether or not Brian's connection his Hoody persona was adequately shown by having the tape be in his pocket and his clothing match back then and now. I personally wasn't a fan of how they did it, but what's done is done and it didn't ruin the show, so I chalk it up to "rare miss". But yeah, "show, don't tell" is important when conveying any story that you want a reader/viewer to be actively engaged in.

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