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lachesis
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Clairabel wrote:
Carnahan wrote:
JosiahMiller wrote:
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You've got the right to do what you like with your own work, but you don't have the right to insist that people agree that it was a good idea. Sometimes creators make bad decisions, and viewers have every right to point it out when creators are flushing their own creations down the toilet.

Yes. Some people don't want crossovers. Other people like myself do.
Creators will do them. Or they won't.
That's the ultimate point.
That's it.
Boom.

I think that's a solid way of putting it.


Wait, are you guys arguing that we shouldn't bother discussing these series? Or which aspects we enjoy the most and which aspects we don't enjoy?

Cause it just seems really silly to try to shut down discussion on a discussion forum...

And the only thing you just proved was that creators DO care how their content is digested by viewers, that having these discussions IS valid- otherwise they wouldn't be lurking around here spying on them...

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Fans need to realize that when we crossover our series, it's our way of paying respect to each other's work - incorporating parts of their work in our series and parts of our work in theirs. We really do them out of friendship; they're our stories and we'll do whatever we feel will work and be fun to create together. It's cool if people dislike our decisions and discuss them here, that should always be done for critiques sake, but I don't think that the arguing should ever need to get ugly. There's no reason for that kind of hatred over differing opinions online. We're all fans in this verse and we should respect each other as such. I, for one, have loved what we've accomplished over the years and regret no collab experience. It was all very fun.
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Clairabel
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lachesis wrote:
Clairabel wrote:
Carnahan wrote:
JosiahMiller wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:
You've got the right to do what you like with your own work, but you don't have the right to insist that people agree that it was a good idea. Sometimes creators make bad decisions, and viewers have every right to point it out when creators are flushing their own creations down the toilet.

Yes. Some people don't want crossovers. Other people like myself do.
Creators will do them. Or they won't.
That's the ultimate point.
That's it.
Boom.

I think that's a solid way of putting it.


Wait, are you guys arguing that we shouldn't bother discussing these series? Or which aspects we enjoy the most and which aspects we don't enjoy?

Cause it just seems really silly to try to shut down discussion on a discussion forum...

And the only thing you just proved was that creators DO care how their content is digested by viewers, that having these discussions IS valid- otherwise they wouldn't be lurking around here spying on them...


Discussing it is one thing, but slamming a creator for doing something and going to the extremes of saying that a crossover has 'ruined' your favourite series... there's just no need for it.
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Cyan507
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Nimbus wrote:
Fans need to realize that when we crossover our series, it's our way of paying respect to each other's work - incorporating parts of their work in our series and parts of our work in theirs. We really do them out of friendship; they're our stories and we'll do whatever we feel will work and be fun to create together. It's cool if people dislike our decisions and discuss them here, that should always be done for critiques sake, but I don't think that the arguing should ever need to get ugly. There's no reason for that kind of hatred over differing opinions online. We're all fans in this verse and we should respect each other as such. I, for one, have loved what we've accomplished over the years and regret no collab experience. It was all very fun.


Imagine a musical artist/band or cartoonist collaborating with another artist in the same media. It's a nice way to bounce ideas, bang heads and make something new, I'm sure the over the course of the crossovers there are ideas thrown around for OOG projects that could blow us away.

Say if you were a fan of said artist and they collaborated with another person whose work you may or may not appreciate. You need to give them credit for the courage they have to partially surrender their work to the person they collaborate with. If X band have Y guest on their song, it may make the song better or it can ruin it-but X took the risk. If you crossover with a slenderseries, once the crossover is over and both continue with their respective storylines who's to say they won't stab you in the back and gamejack? But isn't it fun to see your favorite character(s) pop in another story? I think so Very Happy

and if that series make a mistake then let them make it, it's their creation after all. If they "flush it down the toilet" then let them, they're only human and everyone makes mistakes. And besides aren't the point of mistakes so that we can learn from them and do better? It takes a lot for someone to collab with someone else and to admit that you made a mistake.

And for Christ's sake. He said it was fun. That is the bottom line. Watch Severance and Bridge to Nowhere, at no other point in the verse have I wanted more to be on set because it looked like everyone was enjoying it. Obviously the creators are trying to make something we the audience will enjoy but it's nice to see them get a kick out of it too, imagine if they did this for the wrong reasons. It makes me really happy that fellow creators can get together, work together and just chill together, be it IG or in the fandom, the verse is all about bringing people together and crossovers unite us with fans from other series' that we may not have watched previously, you could discover something entirely new because of a crossover.

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Lithp
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I don't really know what else to tell you guys. I don't know what "critique" I could make without "going too far," & I don't know if it even makes a difference either way. What I do know is that I simply don't share your sentiment that crossovers are "fun." I try to tolerate them up until I feel they require too much time & attention. That's literally the best that I can do.

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HermannFegelien
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So i'm guessing nobody's going to be thrilled about the crossover with the Hitler Rants universe...



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Lumine
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If you don't like it, then don't watch it. It's not going to change.

Crossovers are fun and make no sense. They are also logical and make sense. They are both of these, just like the Slenderman.

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Lithp
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Lumine wrote:
If you don't like it, then don't watch it. It's not going to change.


Yes, thank you for proving my point. There really isn't any criticism that I or anyone else can say which won't eventually be met with, basically, "shut up & go away." I'm actually pretty impressed that we made it this far.

Used to be, I watched EMH for EMH, & nobody questioned that. I don't know how we got to the point where I shouldn't be watching EMH if I don't want to also watch Tribe Twelve, MLAnderson, & whatever else.

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A lot of valid points have already been made here, but I'd like to bring up another potential negative side-effect of the crossovers: Story Development Tie-Ups

I understand that for the cast and crew of TT, EMH, DH, and MLA (along with other series), have their own lives and schedules. Some of them have gone away to school in different states, and/or have jobs of their own. Continued crossovers will make it difficult to plot what comes next, because if you're writing up the script for the next log or entry and you're planning on bringing in an outside character, you'll most likely need to take other series' plots into consideration, and vice-versa. While EMH and DH are based in New Jersey, Adam Rosner (TT's Noah Maxwell), take up residence in Florida ...and TT crosses over with both of the former. What really started to worry me was when EMH crossed over with MLA. Now you've got DH connected to TT, which is connected to EMH, which is now connected with MLA. You have TT and EMH in the "middle," as they work with two other major series apiece.

After
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seeing HABIT teach Noah about the significance of the TT symbol, HABIT "killing" (?) Shaun, and Noah sending the cash to the DH crew,
it is clear at this point that some of these crossover are significant. These aren't minor occurrences that can be acknowledged and put in the rear-view mirror as the plot goes on. So, what if one series is corroborating on a MAJOR crossover that explains key plot points (maybe even more significant than HABIT's explanation), but something happens IRL to one of the crew members, which prevents the story from unfolding as planned?

The crew of Marble Hornets mentioned in their AMA that they've made numerous script changes, for a variety of reasons. IIRC, the actress who played Alex's girlfriend in MH moved across the country, which made things difficult. This is all within a single series. Imagine all the re-writes, and potentially botched great ideas that can't be implemented in a series that implements important crossovers.

While I find the concept of crossovers between series to be interesting, it doesn't seem to be practical, as it complicates story production, and makes it difficult to progress without talking to the crew of the other series first.

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Lithp
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I'm pretty sure that's why EMH is comatose at the moment, actually. I know it's been slow for a while now, but firstly it's been crossing over for a while now, & secondly, this is the first time that I've really noticed, so without checking, I'd wager that this is one of the longer hiatuses.

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TheOperator
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4-month gaps are painfully common for EMH now, and it sucks if these convoluted, uninteresting crossovers are the cause for that.

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Cyan507
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The way I see it, if the story has room to allow a crossover and the circumstance the protagonist is in doesn't dictate such an event then yes, go for it. But doing crossovers just because you can is not a reason to do it. It's bad storytelling. If your series is so mundane that you need to rely on the quality of another series to bring yours up then the problem is glaring. But few series do this. Although there are a few that seem to think the more crossovers you do the better your series is which just isn't true. EMH is my favourite series and it has dozens of crossovers. I love crossovers but using other people's work to plug your own and promote is a little......eh.

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I found Adam Rosner's Instagram the other day, and he was posting pictures of himself, Chris from DH, and Lee from WhisperedFaith. If they're meeting up IRL, wouldn't this seem to indicate the possibilities of mutual crossovers? (Before you mention it, there was a minor crossover between WF and TT in the "Bridge to Nowhere" video, but I'm talking about the possibility of full-entry length crossover videos). I was always under the impression that EMH and WF might do a direct crossover because they both have the Rake as an antagonist.

I know Adam is in grad school now, but it's still pretty frustrating to see Twitter (and even Vine), teasing over the past few months without any update follow-up.

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GMan10598 wrote:
I found Adam Rosner's Instagram the other day, and he was posting pictures of himself, Chris from DH, and Lee from WhisperedFaith. If they're meeting up IRL, wouldn't this seem to indicate the possibilities of mutual crossovers? (Before you mention it, there was a minor crossover between WF and TT in the "Bridge to Nowhere" video, but I'm talking about the possibility of full-entry length crossover videos). I was always under the impression that EMH and WF might do a direct crossover because they both have the Rake as an antagonist.

I know Adam is in grad school now, but it's still pretty frustrating to see Twitter (and even Vine), teasing over the past few months without any update follow-up.


Just because they hang out doesn't mean a crossover is in the works. They could simply be hanging out as dudes who happen to love the same thing. I wouldn't rule it out but if their stories wouldn't have a reason or a possible scenario to cross then they likely wouldn't do it. And we know that TT, WP and EMH plan well ahead of filming, so if they are going to do it they're probably just brainstorming and trying to write/block it properly. And while I know it's frustrating to see teases and hear nothing from Noah, would you rather that he updated frequently with crappy tweets that don't mean anything?

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Cyan507 wrote:
Just because they hang out doesn't mean a crossover is in the works. They could simply be hanging out as dudes who happen to love the same thing. I wouldn't rule it out but if their stories wouldn't have a reason or a possible scenario to cross then they likely wouldn't do it. And we know that TT, WP and EMH plan well ahead of filming, so if they are going to do it they're probably just brainstorming and trying to write/block it properly. And while I know it's frustrating to see teases and hear nothing from Noah, would you rather that he updated frequently with crappy tweets that don't mean anything?


I agree.

Looking over the series right now, it's pretty clear in hindsight that these crossovers weren't for the best. EMH left us with a cliffhanger with "Breaking the Lease," followed by a wait full of anticipation to see what happened to Vinny. Then "Blue Room" ends on another cliffhanger. A cliffhanger every now and then is fine, but there's been too much cliffhanging in EMH for a while now.

This is speculation, but I'm starting to think that some of the other major series are waiting on TribeTwelve. Think about it - TT was the first one to do a major crossover (with EMH, who didn't crossover with MLA until much later), then DarkHarvest, and eventually a cameo crossover with WhisperedFaith.
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TT & EMH - Share Dr. Corenthal, HABIT freed Firebrand and taught Noah what the symbol meant.
TT & DH - The cult incident, Noah supporting the guys with cash, and Mary Asher in the Order, and possibly his tech friend Edward, and his father.

As for the others:
EMH & DH - Minor cameo
EMH & MLA - Shaun dies (or at least it appears that he's dead). Looking over MLA's videos, the other actor's performances are less believable than Michael's. I wouldn't be surprised if Shaun's actor didn't want to/didn't have time to be part of the series anymore, and they found a convenient way to kill him off.


Arguably, TT has more significant plot elements intertwined with the other series than any other individual major series. A lot of these connections are pretty significant, and can't easily be written off.

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